How Come Kobe and LeBron are the only 2 in the "Who's Better" discussion D-Wade has proven himself 2?
I know some maybe most of you all might not understand or agree with me but can someone tell me why Kobe Bryant and LeBron James are the only people in this "Who's Better" Debate, when there's a Future Hall-of-Famer, World Class Superstar and World Class Athlete sitting in Miami,Fl named Dwanye Wade who (to me) at least deserves to be in the discussion of "Who's Better" with LeBron and Kobe. I mean Dwanye Wade can do every thing just as good as Kobe and LeBron, D-Wade can Shoot Jumpers, Three-Pointers, Free Throws, Score when he wants to, get 10 assists, get 10 rebounds, get a triple-double on any given night, score in the clutch, lead a team and get to the Foul Line when he pleases. I also think that he shoots 3 pointers better than LeBron, even though he can make a half court shot underhanded and a 50 footer from behind the basket consistently. Are they considered better because they've have GOOD players on their team, which makes D-Wade go unnoticed? Or, is it because D-Wade hasn't been as healthy as Kobe and LeBron? Somebody please tell me, because I think D-Wade Needs a little credit.
Gets credit, but his game has came a long way since he won the finals. He has an unbelievable J now. Kobe has been doing this since 2000 and LeBron is just a phreak. Besides neither LeBrons nor Kobe's teams are that great, they just have guys who usually knock down shots. Lakers have the softest big in the league and one of the most talented who has never been able to piece it to together. Cavs have size and shooters.
WIth all that aside, I would say these two get talked about most because, look where they are at and how they are currently performing. Which makes me wonder, why isn't your post about Melo. This is his coming out party.
I am a huge D-Wade fan. Personally, I think he is the closest thing to early-90's Jordan you'll ever see.
He's got the ability to score 50 on any given night, but is just as likely to dish out 15 assists, if that's what it takes to get the win. He really has a great feel for the team game that I've always felt Kobe was lacking, and the ability to throw his team on his back on both ends of the floor is truly Jordanesque and a notch above Lebron's at the moment. Not to mention, he's the only one of the three with a Finals MVP (one of the great Finals performances of all-time), and he nearly willed his team to the Finals in 2005 as well, with Shaq essentially playing on one knee.
That all being said, I don't think he was blessed with the natural shooting stroke or scoring ability of Mr. Bryant, or the freakish athleticism/court vision combo of Mr. James. Like Jordan, he makes optimal use of his incredible natural gifts, and even though his raw talent and athleticism are extraordinary, I think he is a little below the other two in this area.
It's a shame that he is so overshadowed, because I think he is already one of the all-time greats. If he can stave off the injuries for a few more years and get a halfway decent team to compete for another trip to the Finals, I think he will certainly get the recognition he deserves...
Are you kidding? Triple double any given night? Then how come he didn't get 1 all year? 15 assists any night? 50 ponts any night? Try 15+ assists 2 times, and 50+ points 3 times (while leading the league in shot attempts). The guy can ball but you are making him out to be way better then he is. Nothing like an early 90's Jordan. He is not in the best player convo because...it's clear he is third.
Also, whats so natural about Kobe's shooting stroke. Nothing, he worked hard to get that. I love how you make sound like he was given that at birth, as well as his scoring ability. Many guys now days have Kobe's potential, its just what they choose to do with it. Jordan was a rarity in his day, but that body type and athletic ability are found all over the league. Kobe worked hard to get where he is, don't discredit him because you have a personnel vendetta against the man. Thats lame. BTW Kobe has exceeded your 90's Jordan, your just to blind to have realized it. I bet Kobe wishes he had Craig Ehlo to defend him too. haha
a great as Kobe is, saying he's better than Jordan is blasphemy. you should be ashamed of yourself! lol
I'm so ashamed. I just think Jordan was the originator and Kobe took it to the next level. As far as LeBron, there is no telling where he will take it. The sky is literally the limit. I think people can realistically debate Kobe/Jordan, but LeBron has the potential to completely separate himself from ANYONE else. Time will tell.
Wow!!!!! Jordan would average 40 a game without the hand check rule and Kobe is NO WHERE NEAR Jordan on defensive side of the ball (dude is having a hard time with Melo). Lebron is media hype.....
Because to be quite honest with I like D-Wade better than both of those cats. I guess because of the fact that the Heat aren't exactly "relevent" at the moment. But I like D-Wade better my damn self.
You seem to forget the quality of players guarding Jordan. Jordan was HEAD and SHOULDERS above other wings in terms of athleticism/length, so he had an obvious advantage.
Heres some Kobe vs. Jordan stats for you
1st & 2nd meetings
36pts in 35min
12/22 from the floor
Kobe (A kid who just turned 20-- I don't recall Kobe ever having some kid do this to him)
33pts in 29min
12/20 from the floor
2nd Meeting (a few months later)
Come on man let's be serious, Kobe & Jordan isn't even a discussion. Jordan is @ least 15yrs older than Kobe & when they met, they didn't guard each other majority of the time. Jordan could have easily won the MVP every year he was in the league. Jordan avg 30+ ppg in 8 seasons in the league & Kobe's only done it 3 times which is 2 less than a 6' 165lb guard named allen iverson
Of course he could've won every year, thats my point. There was no one who could guard him, he was athletically ahead of his time. so to speak. Jordan was great, but its like taking a high school senior who's incredibly talented and placing him in the JV basketball. Just not fair. He was the originator, I give him that, but calling him the greatest, is just ridiculous. Wilt Chamberlain affect. Thats why I feel LeBron has a chance to fully separate himself from Kobe & MJ, because their are many guys athletic enough to do something against him. Yet, he is coming into his own, which is an amazing thing to watch. Not to mention Jordan's D, imagine being able to guard guys who are slower, weaker, not as long, & lack your jumping ability. How easy would that be? TO EASY. You guys see an image/icon/brand and just fall for all the hype. You're like lost little sheep, go join your herd.
i'm not sure i understand this line of thinking. there were plenty of athletic players in MJ's era, just as there are in this one. the players are more athletic now than they were then and they will continue to get more athletic as time goes on. all we can do is judge a player against his competition....and its strange for someone who's posts are as average as yours to be condescending towards anyone.
Wow, calling your posts average is just a huge overstatement.
I think you could make a good argument that the defense back in Jordan's era was much tougher than the defense's these guys face today. As I recall, guys like Dominique, Clyde, Grant Hill, Shawn Kemp, David Robinson, Karl Malone, etc were all quite athletic and/or strong. If anything, the competition now is watered down and less talented than it was when Jordan played. It's certainly much less physical.
Kobe always complained about guys like Bruce Bowen and all the contact he initiated, but that was essentially how the game was played back in the early 90's.
Great points ch15r36is & alphamale310! I totally agree with u both! nthegoodlife seems to be biased on this issue with is clouding his analysis or lack there of
Why time and time again, Kobe says he's an 80's baby and loved that type of play (anyone complains in the moment, its fact). I may as well be talking to a wall, you guys are set in your ways/views. Thats fine, it's your right.
its not that we are set in our ways. you've got a very unique perspective on this one and i doubt you can find many people who will agree with you. i'd be surprised if you could find anyone. in other words, its a big-a$$ wall.
I very rarely have anyone who agrees with me, most of the people who agree are guys I ball with regularly. I don't think any of them like Kobe though. The thing with Jordan is, so many people never had the privilege to see him play (only highlights and clips), yet they still call him the best. That bothers me. It doesn't bother me, its just my opinion. That makes for great convo though!!!
I agree with you the man they call Flash is personally my favorite player he has a ring already and has won the scoring champion this year. His jersey will probably hang in Miami if he stays. With the Heat he took his team who picked second in the draft last year to a playoff team contender. He has done it all.
wade doesnt get recognized becuz 1 he is a lame and 2 people dont like him like they like lebron and kobe. i mean yes wade has commercials with barkley and he comes up with nice plays but i honestly would rather watch kobe and lebron or even melo play before i wacth d wade.