[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

One of the hardest things for GMs is trying to pull off a four team trade. Agents, players, teams, GMs, owners, and so many other parties are involved with trades, and the more parties that get involved, the harder the trade becomes. 

That being said, here is my three attempts at a large, four-team trade. This trade assumes a few things (I realize that they are not givens): 1) Eric Bledsoe wants out of Pheonix 2) The Suns are willing to trade Bledsoe 3) The Pacers are willing to blow things up a bit, trying to have the dust settle by the time George gets back, and 4) the Rockets are not looking for big fish right now, and are willing to settle for starters and rotation players. 

All three trades have similar elements, but the only difference is the destination of Bledsoe, Green, and Rondo. 

The Basics of Trade One (cannot happen until Sept 10th)

Boston gives: Bass, Zeller, and Green

Boston gets: Hibbert, Gee (non-guaranteed contract), Hobson (non-guaranteed contract), and Powell (non-guaranteed contract)

Pacers give: Hibbert, Hill, and Mahinmi 

Pacers get: Bledsoe, Zeller, and Motiejunas

Houston gives: Motiejunas, Beverly, Gee, Hobson, and Powell, future first

Houston gets: Hill, Bass, and Mahimni

Pheonix gives: Bledsoe

Pheonix gets: Beverly, Green, future first

Why Boston? Because neither Sullinger nor Olynyk are rim protectors and you were one of the worst defenses in the league last year. With Hibbert, Smart, and Rondo, this team becomes much better defensively. This may not have been the big piece they were hoping for, but with Hibbert and if Rondo returns to form, they could compete for a 6 seed in the East. 

Why Indy? Because Hibbert, West, and Hill are not taking you to the playoffs this year, and will be one year older next year. Bledsoe would compliment George’s game well when he gets back and gives them a dynamic duo for the future. Zeller and Motiejunas are both underrated, albeit not great, rim protectors who can fill a role inside. Motiejunas might have more potential offensively than Hibbert, too. 

Why Houston? They have no bench right now, but Hill, Bass, and Mahinmi are solid vets. Hill compliments Harden well on offense and defense and he is a proven winner. Bass has played with Howard before and is a good fit in spurts and Mahinmi can defend the rim when Howard is not in the game. On top of all of that, they would have sizeable contracts that can be used to trade for their third star, which is something they do not currently have. 

Why Pheonix? If you believe Bledsoe wants out, why not get something back for him? Beverly is a similar player who can play defense next to Dragic and Thomas. Green is an enigmatic forward who would succeed in an uptempo offense, much like Gerald Green did this year. 

Trade number 2

Boston gets: Hibbert, Gee, Hobson, Bledsoe

Boston gives: Green, Wallace, Rondo, Zeller, Thorton

Pacers get: Rondo, Wallace, Zeller, Motiejunas

Pacers give: Hill, Hibbert, Mahinmi

Houston gives: Motiejunas, Gee, Hobson, Beverly, and future first

Houston gets: Hill, Green

Pheonix gives: Bledsoe

Pheonix gets: Mahinmi, Thorton, Beverly, future first

Why Boston? Start over. They finally move into the post-Rondo era, an era that will be defined by defense and smart offense. With Smart, Bradley, Bledsoe, and Hibbert on your team, you will make opposing teams fight to score. Hibbert compliments Olynyk really well. Smart and Bledsoe are very similar players, but they can both play combo guard at the same time. The team still doesn’t fit perfectly, but they’d be interesting. 

Why Pacers? Same as last trade idea, but this time you move forward with a proven winner. Rondo would create opportunities for easy shots for George, and the pick-and-pop game with West would be deadly. This team woul still need another piece, but they would have a pretty flexible roster in the summer of 2016. 

Why Houston? Green and Hill would be starters for the Rockets and would compliment Howard and Harden really well. Rather than having Lin, Asik, Parsons, and Beverly, they would have HIll, Green, and Ariza. Still not a great summer, but the pieces fit together a bit better. 

Why Pheonix? Their roster is flexible in this trade. Thorton would fit their play style well and Mahinmi is a rim protector they don’t really have, but they don’t have to take back either guy to make this trade work. They still get Beverly though. 

Both of these trades include creative uses of Houston’s trade exemption in order to be able to take on a lot of salary. I really think these trades are in each team’s best interest

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Have you ever seen such a complex and complicated trade go down?  With so many moving parts?  Because I haven’t.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 Lol … nope, I haven’t. Four team trades are rare. This is an 11 player trade. There have only been three other trades as large or larger than this one. 

THIRTEEN PLAYERS:

August 2, 2005: MIAMI HEAT acquires F Antoine Walker from the BOSTON CELTICS and G Jason Williams, F James Posey and G Andre Emmett from the MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES and the draft rights to C Roberto Duenas from the NEW ORLEANS HORNETS in a five-team trade that sent G-F Eddie Jones to Memphis, F Rasual Butler to New Orleans, a 2006 second-round draft pick, a conditional second-round draft pick, FQyntel Woods and the draft rights to Albert Miralles to Boston; The UTAH JAZZ acquired C Greg Ostertag from Memphis; Boston acquired C Curtis Borchardt from Utah and G Raul Lopez from Memphis; New Orleans acquired G Kirk Snyder from Utah.

TWELVE PLAYERS:
September 20, 2000: NEW YORK acquires F Glen Rice, C Travis Knightand a first-round pick from the LOS ANGELES LAKERS and C Vladimir Stepania, F Lazaro Borrell, G Vernon Maxwell, a first-round pick and two second round picks from SEATTLE in a four-team trade that sent C Patrick Ewing to Seattle; Los Angeles Lakers acquired F Horace Grant and F Chuck Person, C Greg Foster and GEmanual Davis from Seattle; PHOENIX acquired C Chris Dudleyand a first-round pick from New York for C Luc Longley.

ELEVEN PLAYERS:

August 27, 1999: HOUSTON traded G Michael Dickerson, F/C Othella Harrington, G Brent Price, F/C Antoine Carr and a future first round draft pick to VANCOUVER as part of a three-way deal in which the Rockets received draft rights to G Steve Francis and F Tony Massenburg from Grizzlies and F Don MacLean and future first round draft choice from ORLANDO, and the Magic received F Michael Smith, G/F Rodrick Rhodes, G Lee Mayberry and F Makhtar Ndiaya from Grizzlies.

It’s near impossible to make it work, but it has. 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 Lol … nope, I haven’t. Four team trades are rare. This is an 11 player trade. There have only been three other trades as large or larger than this one. 

THIRTEEN PLAYERS:

August 2, 2005: MIAMI HEAT acquires F Antoine Walker from the BOSTON CELTICS and G Jason Williams, F James Posey and G Andre Emmett from the MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES and the draft rights to C Roberto Duenas from the NEW ORLEANS HORNETS in a five-team trade that sent G-F Eddie Jones to Memphis, F Rasual Butler to New Orleans, a 2006 second-round draft pick, a conditional second-round draft pick, FQyntel Woods and the draft rights to Albert Miralles to Boston; The UTAH JAZZ acquired C Greg Ostertag from Memphis; Boston acquired C Curtis Borchardt from Utah and G Raul Lopez from Memphis; New Orleans acquired G Kirk Snyder from Utah.

TWELVE PLAYERS:
September 20, 2000: NEW YORK acquires F Glen Rice, C Travis Knightand a first-round pick from the LOS ANGELES LAKERS and C Vladimir Stepania, F Lazaro Borrell, G Vernon Maxwell, a first-round pick and two second round picks from SEATTLE in a four-team trade that sent C Patrick Ewing to Seattle; Los Angeles Lakers acquired F Horace Grant and F Chuck Person, C Greg Foster and GEmanual Davis from Seattle; PHOENIX acquired C Chris Dudleyand a first-round pick from New York for C Luc Longley.

ELEVEN PLAYERS:

August 27, 1999: HOUSTON traded G Michael Dickerson, F/C Othella Harrington, G Brent Price, F/C Antoine Carr and a future first round draft pick to VANCOUVER as part of a three-way deal in which the Rockets received draft rights to G Steve Francis and F Tony Massenburg from Grizzlies and F Don MacLean and future first round draft choice from ORLANDO, and the Magic received F Michael Smith, G/F Rodrick Rhodes, G Lee Mayberry and F Makhtar Ndiaya from Grizzlies.

It’s near impossible to make it work, but it has. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Have you ever seen such a complex and complicated trade go down?  With so many moving parts?  Because I haven’t.

[frogmanParticipant]

 Jesus that’s a lot of people moving around the country.

And it is Phoenix BTW

 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

My bad …

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

My bad …

[frogmanParticipant]

 Jesus that’s a lot of people moving around the country.

And it is Phoenix BTW

 

[gbmantisParticipant]

My brain hurts

[gbmantisParticipant]

My brain hurts

[capecodderParticipant]

 Give up three starters for Hibbert and three cuts…..not that any of  the three are equal to the "good Hibbert", but a terrible deal for them

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Bass is probably going to be traded anyway, especially with Olynyk and Sullinger needing minutes at the four. Green is solid, but inconsistent and frustrating. They got Zeller for nothing just a month ago. 

They are flipping those three players for one of the premier rim protectors in the NBA (opponets FG% at the rim was 42%). They don’t need mediocre, rotation bigs. They need a defensive anchor to take one of the worst defensive teams in the league and improve them. 

In all fairness, those three starters were three starters on some of the worst teams in the league, and that one starter they are getting was the defensive anchor of the number one seed in the East. 

 

 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Bass is probably going to be traded anyway, especially with Olynyk and Sullinger needing minutes at the four. Green is solid, but inconsistent and frustrating. They got Zeller for nothing just a month ago. 

They are flipping those three players for one of the premier rim protectors in the NBA (opponets FG% at the rim was 42%). They don’t need mediocre, rotation bigs. They need a defensive anchor to take one of the worst defensive teams in the league and improve them. 

In all fairness, those three starters were three starters on some of the worst teams in the league, and that one starter they are getting was the defensive anchor of the number one seed in the East. 

 

 

[capecodderParticipant]

 Give up three starters for Hibbert and three cuts…..not that any of  the three are equal to the "good Hibbert", but a terrible deal for them

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

OK, so much to analyze I’ll start by saying I gave plus for no other reason than effort alone. There are so many moving parts, it’s hard to say that all teams were compensated well.

But I am a Boston fan, so from that prospective my reply is simply no to trade 1 scenario but Yes to trade 2. If Boston gives up Rondo (who may go next year for nothing) and Green (who is inconsistent but talented) and gets Hibbert (also inconsistent) and Bledsoe (a potential star who is younger than Rondo) I would do it right away.

I would hope and expect Hibbert to bounce back from last year, but just as importantly gives Boston a better interior presence while allowing Boston to use Sullinger and KO at their natural PF positions. And gaining Bledsoe would also benefit Boston as he can shoot and play off the ball at times allowing Smart some time at creating with the ball at his more natural position of PG.

This trade would also allow more time to develop James Young. Again not speaking for every team, but for Boston it would be a good trade (2nd scenario) 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

I’m a Boston fan too. The one problem I had was the fit of Smart, Bradley, and Bledsoe. Then again, I think Smart and Bledsoe are a better fit than Smart and Rondo. What do you think about that fit? 

Second, why a no to number one? A Hibbert-Olynyk-Turner-Bradley-Rondo line-up won’t win any championships, but at least you got two All-star caliber players at the pillar positions. They also could do that without giving up very many assets. They would still have Sully, Bogans’ contract, Smart, and ten first round picks over the next five years. They could still make a big trade. 

 

 

 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

I’m a Boston fan too. The one problem I had was the fit of Smart, Bradley, and Bledsoe. Then again, I think Smart and Bledsoe are a better fit than Smart and Rondo. What do you think about that fit? 

Second, why a no to number one? A Hibbert-Olynyk-Turner-Bradley-Rondo line-up won’t win any championships, but at least you got two All-star caliber players at the pillar positions. They also could do that without giving up very many assets. They would still have Sully, Bogans’ contract, Smart, and ten first round picks over the next five years. They could still make a big trade. 

 

 

 

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

To answer your questions, I think Bledsoe would definitely fit better with Smart and Bradley than Rondo would.

Bledsoe has already proved that with Dragic. Both divided their playmaking abilities with playing off the ball. Before Bledsoe’s injury they both were playing on a high level. Rondo absolutely can not play off the ball. In fact Rondo tends to dominate the ball a lot. Negating the Things Smart does well. The fact that Rondo may walk for nothing would make getting Bledsoe a no brainer.

the reason I said no to your 1st trade scenario is simply because I am hoping Zeller can become a pretty good player under Coach Stevens. He is still young. Giving up Green and Zeller and basically just getting Hibbert is a bit too expensive for me.

Besides I like trade scenario #2 better.

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

To answer your questions, I think Bledsoe would definitely fit better with Smart and Bradley than Rondo would.

Bledsoe has already proved that with Dragic. Both divided their playmaking abilities with playing off the ball. Before Bledsoe’s injury they both were playing on a high level. Rondo absolutely can not play off the ball. In fact Rondo tends to dominate the ball a lot. Negating the Things Smart does well. The fact that Rondo may walk for nothing would make getting Bledsoe a no brainer.

the reason I said no to your 1st trade scenario is simply because I am hoping Zeller can become a pretty good player under Coach Stevens. He is still young. Giving up Green and Zeller and basically just getting Hibbert is a bit too expensive for me.

Besides I like trade scenario #2 better.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

You may never read this, but looking at the team now, five months later, I am really excited about Tyler Zeller. He may not ever be quite as good defensively at Hibbert, but lately he has intentionally been more physical around the rim and his defense at the rim as been pretty good this year. He just took Cousins completely out of the game a few days ago. If he was somehow able to add 10 more pounds of muscle and a defensive scheme was developed around forcing drivers into his helpside defense, I think he could be a good defensive anchor. That doesn’t even begin to talk about his finishing ability around the rim and general basketball IQ. The roles are still being decided in Boston, but when Ainge got Zeller from the Cavs, it was highway robbery. 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

You may never read this, but looking at the team now, five months later, I am really excited about Tyler Zeller. He may not ever be quite as good defensively at Hibbert, but lately he has intentionally been more physical around the rim and his defense at the rim as been pretty good this year. He just took Cousins completely out of the game a few days ago. If he was somehow able to add 10 more pounds of muscle and a defensive scheme was developed around forcing drivers into his helpside defense, I think he could be a good defensive anchor. That doesn’t even begin to talk about his finishing ability around the rim and general basketball IQ. The roles are still being decided in Boston, but when Ainge got Zeller from the Cavs, it was highway robbery. 

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

OK, so much to analyze I’ll start by saying I gave plus for no other reason than effort alone. There are so many moving parts, it’s hard to say that all teams were compensated well.

But I am a Boston fan, so from that prospective my reply is simply no to trade 1 scenario but Yes to trade 2. If Boston gives up Rondo (who may go next year for nothing) and Green (who is inconsistent but talented) and gets Hibbert (also inconsistent) and Bledsoe (a potential star who is younger than Rondo) I would do it right away.

I would hope and expect Hibbert to bounce back from last year, but just as importantly gives Boston a better interior presence while allowing Boston to use Sullinger and KO at their natural PF positions. And gaining Bledsoe would also benefit Boston as he can shoot and play off the ball at times allowing Smart some time at creating with the ball at his more natural position of PG.

This trade would also allow more time to develop James Young. Again not speaking for every team, but for Boston it would be a good trade (2nd scenario) 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 A lot of stuff to look at there.  Good fun.  Hibbert is the big piece, maybe with no Stephenson and with George out for the year he will get a lot more of the ball and become a huge star for the Pacers, and they will want to keep him.  Hibbert out for Rondo, it could work but Indiana are stuck with all the Gerald Wallace money to pay.

Celtics win with Hibbert and Bledsoe.  Houston wins the trade too with shooting from Hill and Green.  Phoenix just gets a first rounder for Bledsoe, so they will just wait and not trade and match any offer Bledsoe gets.  The Pacers, they might be a bit short and small in the paint after all this, they do need Rondo but preferably for them it would be so he can pass to George and Hibbert.

An interesting possible deal, with some parts talked about before like Rondo to Indiana, and maybe after Love finally gets traded there will be some other teams ready to make a big deal again.

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 A lot of stuff to look at there.  Good fun.  Hibbert is the big piece, maybe with no Stephenson and with George out for the year he will get a lot more of the ball and become a huge star for the Pacers, and they will want to keep him.  Hibbert out for Rondo, it could work but Indiana are stuck with all the Gerald Wallace money to pay.

Celtics win with Hibbert and Bledsoe.  Houston wins the trade too with shooting from Hill and Green.  Phoenix just gets a first rounder for Bledsoe, so they will just wait and not trade and match any offer Bledsoe gets.  The Pacers, they might be a bit short and small in the paint after all this, they do need Rondo but preferably for them it would be so he can pass to George and Hibbert.

An interesting possible deal, with some parts talked about before like Rondo to Indiana, and maybe after Love finally gets traded there will be some other teams ready to make a big deal again.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Nice effort: I believe Phoenix gets to little out of both scenarios though.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Nice effort: I believe Phoenix gets to little out of both scenarios though.

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