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Hinrich for Bibby, Jordan Crawford, 1st rd pick

http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/2011-02-24/atlanta-acquires-hinrich

The Hawks got Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong while sending Bibby, Jordan Crawford, and a 1st round pick in this year's draft to Washington. Thoughts?


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Great job by the Hawks. They

Great job by the Hawks. They finally have a guard that can play defense. Hinrich is an upgrade from Bibby, and that 1st round pick will probably be in the low-mid 20s, which isn't worth as much as it should because of the weak draft class. I was thinking the Lakers could make the move for Hirich. He has become underrated in my eyes. Hes tough, plays great defense.

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the team is a lot better but

the team is a lot better but it still can't compete with the top 4 teams in east and I'm not sure if they can beat the new look Knicks.

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Hawks still need to trade

Hawks still need to trade Marvin Williams for a starting C so Horford can play the PF. Kaman is probably available and could be a good fit with the Hawks.

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Nah I wouldn't go after

Nah I wouldn't go after Kaman. He would take away too many touches from Horford. Eventhough that trade would make perfect sense for the Clippers, the Hawks would be better off finding a defensive minded, and "limited" center, like in a Joakim Noah mold. Can't really think of one off the top of my head.

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Free at last! Free at last!

Free at last! Free at last! Thank BASED God Amighty! Kirk Hinrich is free at last!

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good trade for the hawks

true it still doesnt give them the def minded center they need so al can play the 4 but hinrich is an upgrade over bibby for sure at c imo d jordan of the clips would be a good fit for the hawks sense he doesnt need touches just play solid d and grab rebounds and make layups

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The clippers wont let Jordan

The clippers wont let Jordan get away, they will defiantely trade Kaman b4 they let Jordan go. Great move 4 the Hawks as mentioned earlier, and Teague can continue to learn under a good veteran because he is not ready to be the starter. They do however still have a hole at center because Hilton Armstrong is a backup at best. I would see if i could get Marcin Gortat or Robin Lopez away from the Suns for Pachulia or Marvin Williams or Josh Smith. As for the wizards i think Jordan Crawford is a nice young get for them, he has the potential to be like Jamal Crawford his former teammate in the sense of giving instant offense off the bench behind Nick Young.

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Good deal for Atlanta and the

Good deal for Atlanta and the Wizards get another pick for Hinrich after taking him from Chicago last year. Bibby can play off the ball and gives Washington another shooter for John Wall to spread the floor for.

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Everybody complementing the

Everybody complementing the Hawks which it's an ok move as a Hawks fan, but I think the Wizards have done an amazing job. Don't forget they got Hinrich and first round pick Kevin Seraphin from the Bulls for free for taking on Hinrich's contract as the Bulls were clearing room for a big FA(Boozer). Now they are able to trade Hinrich's contract for a more manageble contract in Bibby. So essentially for nothing they have been able to acquire Kevin Seraphin, Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, 2011 first round pick, and an expiring in Mo Evans. Since Crawford and Seraphin are rookies that's essentially 3 first round picks and 2 friendly contracts. Not to mention down the line Jordan Crawford and John Wall balance each other well. The Wizards won't be good any time soon but they have done an admirable job creating financial flexibility considering a year ago they were in cap hell with Arenas, Jamison, and Butler and were going no where.

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Good Job

Both teams did a great job. Hinrich isn't amazing, but he's a huge upgrade over Bibby. I'm sick of seeing him get destroyed every year by the opposing pg in the playoffs. I was a big fan of Bibby coming out of college, but he never turned into the player I thought he would become and his later years haven't been too kind to him.

As far as the Wizards go, they are getting some picks and young players. I'm not sure I would want Crawford and Young, but they are such a bad team that it's not going to kill them to rack up assets. Hopefully management is not going to sign anyone to anymore ridiculous contracts.

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They have a ton of assets now

They have a ton of assets now and have 2 first rounders this year, their own which will be a top 5 pick. In the future they will be able to turn these assets into better players. They now currently have 4 first round rookies(Wall, Crawford, Booker, Seraphin) to go along with other promising young players like Nick Young, Javale Mcgee, and I guess you can throw Andray Blatche in there. The rest of the roster is filled out with experienced veterans, Rashard, Bibby, Josh Howard, Thornton, Yi. They will eventually find a roster that fits. I wouldn't be surprised to see them buyout Mo Evans though. Howard, Thornton, and Rashard are already fighting for minutes as is, and their guard rotation is basically set now with Wall, Young, Bibby, and Crawford.

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Major upgrade for the Hawks at PG, good deal for the Wiz

Bibby is still a very good 3pt shooter, but so is Hinrich at 38-39%. Hinrich can break down a defense and play good defense, two things Bibby at this point doesn't do. With that said, I've always felt Hinrich is a better fit as a 6th man as he's more of a combo guard with good PG instincts than a pure PG. It will be interesting to see how he fits with Johnson in the lineup but I think that they will be able to fit.

For the Wizards, they gain another first round draft pick for essentially 2/3s of a year of Hinrich, so this is a great value trade for the Wizards. Evans is an expiring, Crawford has potential and depending on what happens with Young in FA this summer could end up being a major part of the Wizards' future, and Bibby gives the Wizards a shooter who can play off of Wall and backcourt depth, which has been a weakness for the Wiz this season, and a veteran presence for Wall. The best part of the deal for the Wiz is the draft pick and getting Hinrich's salary off the books, and as has been stated, Ernie Grunfeld has done a good job of creating salary cap flexibility and gaining some young talent, which the Wizards need to continue their progress.

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Love this trade for both

Love this trade for both teams, especially my Wizards. The Hawks upgrade their PG spot by replacing Hinrich with Bibby. He's a very good perimeter defender, good shooter, and gives good leadership. And Hilton Armstrong just adds another big body.

Love this trade for my Wiz. The Wizards used Kirk Hinrich to net them 3 1st round picks this year-Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Crawford, and the Hawks 2011 1st round pick. Kirk wasn't in the Wizards long term plans, and they got furture assets in Jordan Crawford (who I really like, and gives insurance to us in case Nick Young leaves), and a pick. And this all fits into the rebuilding plan. And the Wizards have a lot of young players, and they can use all these assets they have collected to acquire a great player. I would like it even more if we were to ship Bibby to a contender for a pick. Wishful thinking though. And like ghettosermon said, I wouldn't be surprised if Mo Evans is bought out. We already have a logjam at SF, and you can throw Cartier Martin in their too, even though he also plays SG.

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Gotta feel bad for Bibby

Gotta feel bad for Bibby though. He is a veteran on his last legs playing on a perennial playoff team, now unless he's moved he's stuck 2 years on a Wizards team which is rebuilding and won't make the playoffs while he's there, plus he's going to be expected to be Mr. Purity with his veteran leadership and teaching the young guys how to be professionals.

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Bibby's agent said he wants a buyout

But the Wiz don't want to buy him out. They want to keep him for veteran leadership reasons. That could end up being a problem, and I honestly hope the Wiz cut bait, because we don't need his drama here.

This gives the Wizards a lot of leverage when it comes to Nick Young now, with Crawford whose a very good scorer himself. The Wizards don't have to fall over themselves to overpay for Nick, although I'm pretty sure they will anyway, but this gives them options.

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I still don't see any minutes

I still don't see any minutes at the 2 for Crawford. Wizards still have Young, Howard & Martin who he can move ahead of.

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^^ I can see Crawford playing

^^ I can see Crawford playing some back-up PG, especially if they cut Bibby. And Howard mostly plays the 3, even though he plays SG on occasion. Same goes with Martin, even though he plays more SG the Howard.

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Jordan Crawford lacks a

Jordan Crawford lacks a handle to me, he is a scorer who has his spurts, because when he's on he's on ala Jamal Crawford/J.R. Smith. He will never be a PG on the NBA level his best best it 2 run screens all day ala Rip Hamilton & knock down everything he throws up. That's his game & where he is most effective because he is a really good shooter off the curl.

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Yeah Jordan Crawford isn't a

Yeah Jordan Crawford isn't a PG at all.

I actually feel the Hawks gave up too much, unless they think Crawford has no chance of being a player or they had to make salaries match. Just a 1st round pick and Bibby would've sufficed IMO.

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