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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 3:25pm #56348

BallinAIstyle
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Hinkie’s last year in Houston he played a big role in assembling a Rockets team that lead the NBA in both 3pt field goals and shots within 3ft of the basket attempted. Is that what analytics is all about?
At this point it seems like his team in Philadelphia is much more fast break oriented and was wondering at what point does he start to bring in some pure shooters that can knock down shots beyond the arc. I understand he has still had limited time and could easily do that this draft.
That being said I think Wiggins at 3…Lavine at 10…and use T Young and our 2nd round picks to move back up into the first to grab Pj Hairston who I don’t think is that great at creating his own shot off the dribble but in terms of knock down shooters in this draft..he is second to none..extremely quick release.

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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 3:33pm #919131

Ebown5
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The pace that the Sixers play is not necessarily how they will always play. It is a way to get maximum opportunity to evaluate the players. Once the team has a higher degree of talent they may very well slow down again.
Analytics is about playing efficiently and finding the most efficient way to score and defend. The advanced stats tell you what things players do well and what they need to improve on. Something as basic as shooting percentage doesn’t tell you very much because not all shots have the same degree of difficulty.
I think that a big part of it is identifying the right role players. The great players are what they are, but finding the right pieces around them takes precision.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 3:33pm #918999

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The pace that the Sixers play is not necessarily how they will always play. It is a way to get maximum opportunity to evaluate the players. Once the team has a higher degree of talent they may very well slow down again.
Analytics is about playing efficiently and finding the most efficient way to score and defend. The advanced stats tell you what things players do well and what they need to improve on. Something as basic as shooting percentage doesn’t tell you very much because not all shots have the same degree of difficulty.
I think that a big part of it is identifying the right role players. The great players are what they are, but finding the right pieces around them takes precision.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 3:49pm #919137

Neggedpastor
I feel like their not in a position to do anything like that right now I think hinkie feels that way to from what I read.
he cant apply a system to a team who has little talent and no players to fit that system brett brown is a defensive coach so who knows what the direction they go on little defense was played this season for the sixers or in Houston(harden) because players are to tired from the uptempo style to even play hard on d and its worse if you suck on d (pause) as it is. the sixers wanted to run this season because they had little to no half court offense outside of pick and roll.
Its a lot of different ways this team can go but him adding a bunch of shooters without even having a core is backwards.
I do think hinkie will try to get some 3 point specialist later on and even tho brett brown isn’t big on analytics he not afraid to use any weapon he can and he seen the 3 ball work for the spurs and the way they plug in role players that he helped develop.
right now its just about them getting the players only thing they have to build on is mcw nobody else played a nba game for them yet. I like allonzo treir,jaylen brown, thon maker. it will be interesting to keep an eye on this year college season because this next 15 draft doesn’t seem to be as high upside as 14 or 16 looks but I think they can add a nice player.
once they get a few prospects and develop them then apply shooters and role players and schemes to fit their key players.
they said they have a 5 year window to rebuild now its a 4 year window. I think that hinkie will use advance stats to draft players of course but as far as brining 3 point shooters because its a more valuable shot? I don’t think the sixers are to into right now
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 3:49pm #919005

Neggedpastor
I feel like their not in a position to do anything like that right now I think hinkie feels that way to from what I read.
he cant apply a system to a team who has little talent and no players to fit that system brett brown is a defensive coach so who knows what the direction they go on little defense was played this season for the sixers or in Houston(harden) because players are to tired from the uptempo style to even play hard on d and its worse if you suck on d (pause) as it is. the sixers wanted to run this season because they had little to no half court offense outside of pick and roll.
Its a lot of different ways this team can go but him adding a bunch of shooters without even having a core is backwards.
I do think hinkie will try to get some 3 point specialist later on and even tho brett brown isn’t big on analytics he not afraid to use any weapon he can and he seen the 3 ball work for the spurs and the way they plug in role players that he helped develop.
right now its just about them getting the players only thing they have to build on is mcw nobody else played a nba game for them yet. I like allonzo treir,jaylen brown, thon maker. it will be interesting to keep an eye on this year college season because this next 15 draft doesn’t seem to be as high upside as 14 or 16 looks but I think they can add a nice player.
once they get a few prospects and develop them then apply shooters and role players and schemes to fit their key players.
they said they have a 5 year window to rebuild now its a 4 year window. I think that hinkie will use advance stats to draft players of course but as far as brining 3 point shooters because its a more valuable shot? I don’t think the sixers are to into right now
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 5:13pm #919049
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  Dude, I’ve seen every post you write, you’re one of those people (and there seems to be way too many of those nowadays) who has trouble distinguishing between they’re, their, and there. And also, your and you’re. Not to make such a big deal out of it because I understand that some of us do have limited literacy, but c’mon now, it gets annoying after a while to see you people chop the beautiful English language into pieces. (and I’m Chinese, btw).
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:29pm #919138
    
    Magic Jordan
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    C’mon isn’t a word….
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:29pm #919269
    
    Magic Jordan
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    C’mon isn’t a word….
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 5:13pm #919181
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  Dude, I’ve seen every post you write, you’re one of those people (and there seems to be way too many of those nowadays) who has trouble distinguishing between they’re, their, and there. And also, your and you’re. Not to make such a big deal out of it because I understand that some of us do have limited literacy, but c’mon now, it gets annoying after a while to see you people chop the beautiful English language into pieces. (and I’m Chinese, btw).
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 4:24pm #919159

burgessfour
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quite frankly was all about losing and figuring out whether Thad, Spencer and Turner held any long term value. Plus they were hoping to find a rotation player or two on the cheap. They may have unearthed one in Wroten, James Anderson or Elliot Williams. I think they’ll add at least one shooter in this draft, but probably in the second round. Hinkie said this was going to be a long process, but I don’t think he meant 5 years.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 4:24pm #919027

burgessfour
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quite frankly was all about losing and figuring out whether Thad, Spencer and Turner held any long term value. Plus they were hoping to find a rotation player or two on the cheap. They may have unearthed one in Wroten, James Anderson or Elliot Williams. I think they’ll add at least one shooter in this draft, but probably in the second round. Hinkie said this was going to be a long process, but I don’t think he meant 5 years.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 5:01pm #919171

Neggedpastor
brett brown signed on for (4 )years so he can have the job security to see this all the way through
most rebuild like this total overhauls takes 3-4 years to get the players(gsw)(CLE)(Portland)
and its a lot of bumps in that road unless you are lucky as okc in do it in 3 then not only do you have to make the play offs you have to get into the second round to be considered legit.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 5:01pm #919039

Neggedpastor
brett brown signed on for (4 )years so he can have the job security to see this all the way through
most rebuild like this total overhauls takes 3-4 years to get the players(gsw)(CLE)(Portland)
and its a lot of bumps in that road unless you are lucky as okc in do it in 3 then not only do you have to make the play offs you have to get into the second round to be considered legit.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 5:35pm #919065

BallinAIstyle
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Look buddy I know you weren’t commenting on my post but the guy provided some good insight and feedback. Not that I have been on the site for too long but c’mon you just joined 3 days ago gimme a break. Probably better you occupy yourself with something other than correcting grammer. This isn’t a student teacher forum, we are here to talk bball.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:01pm #919081
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  Well, I’m here to talk hoops too. However, it’s really irksome to read what someone is trying to say when you don’t understand the words that are coming from their fingers, you know what I’m saying ?
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:31pm #919140
    
    Magic Jordan
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    There should be no space in between saying and your question mark.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:31pm #919271
    
    Magic Jordan
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    There should be no space in between saying and your question mark.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:01pm #919213
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  Well, I’m here to talk hoops too. However, it’s really irksome to read what someone is trying to say when you don’t understand the words that are coming from their fingers, you know what I’m saying ?
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:07pm #919085
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  And BTW, BallinAIstyle, just as an FYi, you missed one more "Awright" there in your last subject line. My full nick is "AwrightAwrightAwright". Thanks.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:55pm #919112
    
    foochiemorris
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    Shut Up, Shut Up, Shut Up
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:55pm #919243
    
    foochiemorris
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    Shut Up, Shut Up, Shut Up
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:34pm #919142
    
    Magic Jordan
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    FYI stands for "for your information". So placing "as an" in front of it makes no sense. It’s just "FYI" FYI.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:38pm #919146
      
      AwrightAwrightAwright
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      You’re an idiot, MJ. LOL !
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      - Posted on: Mon, 06/23/2014 - 3:15am #924528
        
        foochiemorris
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        It’s pretty amazing how the all the negs that people recieved on this thread (when they commented against Awight) came within a 45 minute period, when the thread lasted for several days. Did the little grammar crybaby start creating fake accounts in order to neg because he was mad?….Nothing would make me happier then challenging you to create 50 more accounts and take me down to zero points. I’m here for info and discussion. I’m not trying to get voted NBADRAFT.net prom king, so please have fun and waste some more of your week. I already stole 45 minutes.
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      - Posted on: Mon, 06/23/2014 - 3:15am #924656
        
        foochiemorris
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        It’s pretty amazing how the all the negs that people recieved on this thread (when they commented against Awight) came within a 45 minute period, when the thread lasted for several days. Did the little grammar crybaby start creating fake accounts in order to neg because he was mad?….Nothing would make me happier then challenging you to create 50 more accounts and take me down to zero points. I’m here for info and discussion. I’m not trying to get voted NBADRAFT.net prom king, so please have fun and waste some more of your week. I already stole 45 minutes.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:38pm #919277
      
      AwrightAwrightAwright
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      You’re an idiot, MJ. LOL !
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:34pm #919273
    
    Magic Jordan
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    FYI stands for "for your information". So placing "as an" in front of it makes no sense. It’s just "FYI" FYI.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 10:25pm #919322
    
    geothermal
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    at least europeanballer talks about ball, and you talk about grammar. by the way both of you is a tad bit irritating
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 10:25pm #919190
    
    geothermal
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    at least europeanballer talks about ball, and you talk about grammar. by the way both of you is a tad bit irritating
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:07pm #919217
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  And BTW, BallinAIstyle, just as an FYi, you missed one more "Awright" there in your last subject line. My full nick is "AwrightAwrightAwright". Thanks.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 5:35pm #919197

BallinAIstyle
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Look buddy I know you weren’t commenting on my post but the guy provided some good insight and feedback. Not that I have been on the site for too long but c’mon you just joined 3 days ago gimme a break. Probably better you occupy yourself with something other than correcting grammer. This isn’t a student teacher forum, we are here to talk bball.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:11pm #919091

Neggedpastor
les im getting payed to check my gamma I aint gone do it ( like its for the vine) and from here on Ima talk n write so ghetto for the rest of this thread yahmean?.
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- Posted on: Sun, 06/15/2014 - 4:03am #919353
  
  OhCanada-
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  As will I. One would even be tempted to say "fo real doe!".
  Instead of worrying about there, their, and they are just type dere for everything.
  Dere it be settled like fo real do!
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- Posted on: Sun, 06/15/2014 - 4:03am #919222
  
  OhCanada-
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  As will I. One would even be tempted to say "fo real doe!".
  Instead of worrying about there, their, and they are just type dere for everything.
  Dere it be settled like fo real do!
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:11pm #919223

Neggedpastor
les im getting payed to check my gamma I aint gone do it ( like its for the vine) and from here on Ima talk n write so ghetto for the rest of this thread yahmean?.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:14pm #919093

Neggedpastor
hes a hog goblin troll from the elf lands of durhan seriously this was a good topic/thread. done
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:14pm #919225

Neggedpastor
hes a hog goblin troll from the elf lands of durhan seriously this was a good topic/thread. done
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:40pm #919105

BallinAIstyle
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I knew it was repeated 3 times, just didn’t care to type it again. What a joke you are…an ignorant chinese fella that comes aboard a site for U.S Bball and tries to butcher another member’s grammer. Yet your username defies everything you are arguing for…Awright doesn’t even pass for slang..embarrassing

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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:10pm #919122
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  You, my friend, are the one that’s ignorant. First of all, you don’t even know who I really am, and what my history is on here. You assume that I’m in China or that I have no God-given rights to come on to "a site for US Bball", as if I’m not an Asian-American and I don’t know about this site. You know you wouldn’t have started this argument with me if I didn’t throw out there the fact that I’m Chinese.
  Secondly, you really don’t know where "AwrightAwrightAwright" came from ? Or you’re just feigning ignorance on this one too ?? If you really don’t know, then let me clue you in: go Google "alright alright alright kevin hart" and "alright alright alright kevin Matthew McConaugh". I just changed the "l" to a "w" to make it slang as a play on word to make it my nick.
  Why does every time somebody say they’re of a certain ethnic background, ignorant people like you automatically assume they’re from that country rather than being an American of that certain ethnic background ? May the Lord forgive your ignorance for attacking me because I said that I’m Chinese and only cared about the slow death of American literacy because I love this country and how other people in the world view our intellectual decline. God Bless You, my brother.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:47pm #919148
    
    Magic Jordan
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    The point is people who are on this site don’t care about the death of American literacy, we care about basketball. If you can’t read someones post then here is a novel concept, don’t read it. It’s your "god" given right not to. Instead of wasting your time on here, correcting spelling mistakes, go waste your time praying for us all to the god you love so much tool. Even if there were a god he wouldn’t want to listen to your bull&$#%#&@! prayers about people who can’t spell. Get a life.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:47pm #919150
      
      AwrightAwrightAwright
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      Wow. Such hatred, and coming from a foul mouth too. I feel sorry for you. And may the Lord forgive your blasphemy too, son.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:47pm #919281
      
      AwrightAwrightAwright
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      Wow. Such hatred, and coming from a foul mouth too. I feel sorry for you. And may the Lord forgive your blasphemy too, son.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:47pm #919279
    
    Magic Jordan
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    The point is people who are on this site don’t care about the death of American literacy, we care about basketball. If you can’t read someones post then here is a novel concept, don’t read it. It’s your "god" given right not to. Instead of wasting your time on here, correcting spelling mistakes, go waste your time praying for us all to the god you love so much tool. Even if there were a god he wouldn’t want to listen to your bull&$#%#&@! prayers about people who can’t spell. Get a life.
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 7:10pm #919253
  
  AwrightAwrightAwright
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  You, my friend, are the one that’s ignorant. First of all, you don’t even know who I really am, and what my history is on here. You assume that I’m in China or that I have no God-given rights to come on to "a site for US Bball", as if I’m not an Asian-American and I don’t know about this site. You know you wouldn’t have started this argument with me if I didn’t throw out there the fact that I’m Chinese.
  Secondly, you really don’t know where "AwrightAwrightAwright" came from ? Or you’re just feigning ignorance on this one too ?? If you really don’t know, then let me clue you in: go Google "alright alright alright kevin hart" and "alright alright alright kevin Matthew McConaugh". I just changed the "l" to a "w" to make it slang as a play on word to make it my nick.
  Why does every time somebody say they’re of a certain ethnic background, ignorant people like you automatically assume they’re from that country rather than being an American of that certain ethnic background ? May the Lord forgive your ignorance for attacking me because I said that I’m Chinese and only cared about the slow death of American literacy because I love this country and how other people in the world view our intellectual decline. God Bless You, my brother.
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Posted on: Sat, 06/14/2014 - 6:40pm #919237

BallinAIstyle
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I knew it was repeated 3 times, just didn’t care to type it again. What a joke you are…an ignorant chinese fella that comes aboard a site for U.S Bball and tries to butcher another member’s grammer. Yet your username defies everything you are arguing for…Awright doesn’t even pass for slang..embarrassing

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Posted on: Sun, 06/15/2014 - 2:41am #919341

Rip255
Worst nbadraft.net thread ever….
Grammar nazi killed it. Spelling bee is on espn2 and probably has its own talent prospecting site you can go to.

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Posted on: Sun, 06/15/2014 - 2:41am #919210

Rip255
Worst nbadraft.net thread ever….
Grammar nazi killed it. Spelling bee is on espn2 and probably has its own talent prospecting site you can go to.

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Posted on: Sun, 06/15/2014 - 5:20am #919365

King Calucha
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OK, back to basketball. Arguing that analytics guys go only for 3’s and layups is sort of an understatement.
What the Rocket’s D-league team did with that "Only 3’s and layups" thing was just for the love of sports analytics, that is not going to be used in the NBA any time soon. All offensive sets must include several options (yes, including the "inefficient" midrange shots); otherwise offense becomes predictable.
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Posted on: Sun, 06/15/2014 - 5:20am #919234

King Calucha
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OK, back to basketball. Arguing that analytics guys go only for 3’s and layups is sort of an understatement.
What the Rocket’s D-league team did with that "Only 3’s and layups" thing was just for the love of sports analytics, that is not going to be used in the NBA any time soon. All offensive sets must include several options (yes, including the "inefficient" midrange shots); otherwise offense becomes predictable.
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