Height and Length Measurements
I am in no way,shape or form trying to say the people that do the measurements are doing their jobs wrong because for the most part they are not. But I would like to say sometimes measurements seem a tad bit off. I know "BAM TESTING" does the measurements everywhere now days. USA BALL,ADIDAS NATIONS,NIKE SKILLS CAMPS and of course NBA COMBINE.So these folks that are at these different events are all pretty much under the same umbrella.
I remember one measurement that had a few people talking a few years back was Brandon Ashley's wingspan. It was posted that his wingspan was only 6'8 at the 2011 lebron camp. No one really believed that. Now this summer he measured a 7'2.5 wingspan.Which looks way more accurate. Ashley is a long looking dude.(pause)
There are a few other measurements to me that look a bit off as well.
Does anyone have any input on this?
I'm 5'9'' barefoot, 5'10'' with shoes with 6'4'' wingspan and 7'9'' standing reach, I think I'm longer than guys like Peyton Siva, Trey Burke, Shane Larkin, Isaiah Canaan and others who are listed 6'0 - 6'1.
Trey Burke has 6'5.5" wingspan, with 8'1.5" standing reach. You could have spent a minute looking it up before posting.
The point of this post is I think some measurements are wrong sometimes.
I know what the point is, but it's quite boring, IMO, so I decided to put up my measurments. I don't understand what's the big deal ..
No offence but I've never heard of Brandon Ashby and how long he is. Why not talk about Scottie Pippen's late growth spurt, a? He goes form 6'1 to 6'7'' in a year and this happens when, senior year high school or first year of college ? It's 2 in the morning here in Europe so I'm tired to search the net for info. Just tell me your opinion, do you think that kind of growth spurt is natural. I doubt it...
I think I will never understand why they measure height in shoes. Seriously, these guys are pretty tall, they don't need 1 or 2 extra inches.
Don't you wear shoes when you are on the court? I think that makes it a pretty relevant measurement.
Yep, but it's not like every shoes are the same and it's not like you're playing with the same pair of shoes for your whole career. While barefoot height reamains pretty much the same. Also it's kinda hilarious seeing guys like Ryan Kelly, 6'9" barefoot, being listed at 6'11" just because they borrowed some hooker's high heels shoes before getting measured.
1) He's still growing, his measurements 2 years ago should be less 2)wingspan is harder to measure than height. If a player doesn't fully extend in one measurement, it's easy to lose an inch or 2, like if you're tired.
You should really try to find multiple measurements and average them out. Check the database on draftexpress. Most players have multiple listing and they are never identical.
I guess, and this is just a guess, that the guy doing the measurement gets it right, but at some point someone doing the data entry screws it up. It isn't like all this stuff gets pulled automatically from a computer at the camp and then goes everywhere directly on the internet. I bet someone writes it down and someone else types it in. And when you have a list of numbers, you might write down the next number in the wrong guys entry.
Also I think guys fudge their measurements a bit by not extending too much. I think one fudge is that players like to boost their vertical jump number by kind of fudging down their standing reach a bit.
they play in shoes. what good does it do to know how tall they are barefoot, when they play with shoes on?
Because without shoes is a more accurate representation of a player's true height. A player can easily boost his stock by wearing lifts in his shoes. If there's a 2+ inch discrepancy b/t a player's height with and without shoes, then you know something is fishy. Take their height without shoes and add an inch to an inch and a half if you want their true playing height.
Not everyone wears the same shoes in games though. It'd be even more generalized if you just guessed and added an inch or 1.5 inches to whoever you want. That's why you take both measurements and laugh at the guy who thought wearing 2 inch shoes would go unnoticed.
Which is why you add an inch to an inch and a half. Anything more than 1.5 inches is superfluous shoe. It's not like they grew because of their shoes. Or maybe they should add another blurb to the player's scouting report: "Loves to play in thick ass shoes."
But how do you determine who gets an inch, an inch and a quarter or an inch and a half? Randomly? If you wear two inch shoes to the combine everyone knows what you tried to do and recognizes that isn't your real height. The current system is fine. The only change I'd make is if you are wearing big ass shoes you should have to get remeasured in shorter ones.
You don't. Add whatever you want. If you want to uniformly add an inch go ahead. If you want to uniformly add an inch and a half...heck, cut the difference and add 1.25, doesn't matter. The height that cannot be manipulated is the one without shoes. That's the one that matters.
That being said, height is the most overrated measurement in the NBA. A player is as big as the space that he covers. It doesn't matter how high his head is.