Heat/Thunder Talking Trade
Heat must REALLY want capspace, this deal is horrible, from there side:
Heat and Thunder are seriously discussing a trade sending Daequan Cook and 18th pick to OKC for 32nd, source says. More cap space for Heat.
HEAT really need capspace, huh?
Thunder won that deal BIG.
Now, they can move up and take DeMarcus Cousins ( I move I believe they should do)
Minnesota gets: 18th pick, 26th pick and Jeff Green
Oklahoma City gets: 4th pick and 2 2nd rounders.
why would they trade the 4th pick for that garbage
They could ( and most likely would) throw some better talent in there. I might have overrated Jeff Green a bit. I think he could have a really good season next season. He had like 16-7-3 last season.
Anyone know what the Thunders plans are? Are they trying to move up to target someone or are the trying to pick several big men like Orton and Whiteside and hope one of them pan out.
"I might have overrated Jeff Green a bit. I think he could have a really good season next season. He had like 16-7-3 last season."
just like Micheal Beasley...the Thunder should have traded for B easy ...some of those picks back to Miami for Beastly
But Beasley's not a big. I think it wouldn't be worth it. They need a tough banger who can help deal with a Gasol.
thunder just ripped off the heat big time. 18, 21, and 26. That is going to be some good good value come tomorrow. I definitely see them moving 2 of those and moving up or possibly all 3 and get a stud.
Between Memphis, Minnesota, and Oklahoma City, they have 9 first-rounders combined....wow
I would assume OKC would go after Larry Sanders, Sanders has said he'd prefer to work with E. Maynor again, and they seem to like him...but he could also be available with there next pick(21), so they wouldnt wanna 'reach'
Great deal for Miami. 2nd round picks don't have cap holds, and the Heat are not building through the draft. They can max out Wade and still have $27+ million in cap space. Someone, please, try to find fault with that?
Here would be my zero source prediction trade for tomorrow: Beasley for Delonte West's non-guaranteed deal. It would assure the Heat of Wade and two max signings.
But I heard Milwaukee loves Sanders.... Would OKC then take Orton?
How is Miami going to fill out the rest of their roster, It seems like it's going to be 3 studs and a bunch a nobodies. You need role players to win in this league and I see Miami going at this all wrong, you need guys who don't have an ego and do the dirty work.
Put Beasley next to KD and those two will be a deadly one two punch....They got those picks to get someones stud in the NBA not in the draft...getting Beasley and a Big to develope would be a Score,..They'd still have the Cap to get anyone they want in free agency or just re up KD now...
I guess you may see a backcourt of Wade & Wright @ certain times of the game since Cook is long gone. There's no chance for Bledsoe anymore.
Beasley and Durant can't start together. One would have to play the 3 and 4. Either way, they would give up that inside presence.
Beasley is a 6th man, we wouldn't be worth getting with the chemistry OKC is developing. Beasley can not cover NBA 4's or 3's and is better off coming off the bench as a mismatch.
They'll get Amare or Lebron to play in south beach with a line up built around whoever they sign...Wade is gone IMO....there is new foundation There...Wade and Beasley are both on there why out...Riley would retire and the Heat lose the sizzle ....
Why do you think Wade is gone?
Beasley will be a good Power forward in OKC...Green is the 6th man...and they get a guy like Alabi and he and Ibake bring the defense...Thabo and Maynor on the bench too...All that without dipping into to free agency where they would be best served to Trade for a Center using their cap space to facilitate a 3 way deal...Not to sign Bosh or Amare and have them play the 5
are you serious, everything that Wade has said so far so he is 100% going to stay in Miami. He is recruiting players, he is not going anywhere. There is not one source that shows any evidence of Wade wanting to leave Miami.
Green fits the Thunder much better then Beasley. Better range, doesn't need the ball to be effective, already has great chemistry with the team...I have no idea why the Thunder would move Green to the bench for a ball dominant headcase like Beasley. Just because Beasley and Durant know eachother from high, Scarcrow, doesn't mean they'll be good together.
"How is Miami going to fill out the rest of their roster, It seems like it's going to be 3 studs and a bunch a nobodies. You need role players to win in this league and I see Miami going at this all wrong, you need guys who don't have an ego and do the dirty work."
Easily. First off, they will have three second round picks and the rights to Patrick Beverley and Robert Dozier. Second, Riley has a great list of undrafted rookie signings during his Miami tenure: Bruce Bowen, Anthony Carter, Malik Allen, Mike James, Udonis Haslem, Chris Quinn, and Joel Anthony. Third, if they come away with Wade, Joe Johnson, and Amare then 4-15 becomes roster spots every vet wants to fill. Allen Iverson is on the comeback trail. Is Marquis Daniels going to get another look? What about Theo Ratliff chasing a ring? Young guys who have had some bad luck like Randy Foye, Joe Alexander, Marcus Williams, Rodney Carney, Sean May, and Shaun Livingston could be rotation worthy. Kwame Brown, Fabricio Oberto, and Jason Collins are big bodies. Is Dorell Wright going to do better than a non-guaranteed offer for the minimum? What about guys like Bobby Simmons, Hakim Warrick, Tim Thomas, Steven Hunter, and Ime Udoka. Are they getting more than a veteran's minimum deal? You can go to Europe and try to pluck a guys like Pete Mickeal, Milos Teodosic, or Aleks Maric. I haven't even gotten into the D-Leaguers who will line up to play for their summer league team. Maybe they even sign Adam Morrison for his victory cigar charm. If you give me 70-80 points per game out Wade, Johnson, and Amare, then I think I can find eleven role players for minimal money to board, defend, supplement, and carry bags so I know Pat Riley can find eleven.
"Green fits the Thunder much better then Beasley. Better range, doesn't need the ball to be effective, already has great chemistry with the team...I have no idea why the Thunder would move Green to the bench for a ball dominant headcase like Beasley. Just because Beasley and Durant know eachother from high, Scarcrow, doesn't mean they'll be good together."
If the Thunder want to win, they won't think about nonsense like unity and the supposed great chemistry the team now has. Talent wins, and Beasley is more talented than Jeff Green. Not just Beasley, but really any talented big men should be looked into by the Thunder because they are not going to win a title with Jeff Green and Serge Ibaka up front. They can either be proactive or have regret down the line.
C Nenad Kristic,Nick Collison, BJ Mullins, Sal Alabi(26)
PF Serge Ibaka, Larry Sanders(21), Daniel Orton(18), DJ White
SF Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Charles Garcia(51)
SG Thabo Sefolosha, James Haredn, Deqaun Cook
PG Russle Westbrook, Eric Maynor, Kyle Weaver
Loadup on PF/C hope one is great and the others can be role players.
Needs to trade up I can't see all 3 1st rounders helping out okc to much.
Maybe they could stockpile this and next years 1st round picks to get a Cousins or even Monroe or Whiteside?
Miami trade the 18th pick for a 2nd round pick because its nonguaranteed contract?
Because it doesn't count against the cap...
well now that the Thunder have 3 first round picks they should use two of them to move up to the lottery.
If Minny was willing to trade the #4 for just Batum, then why wouldn't they trade it for Green and a few more picks? Which they then can package and move up to fill another need. I like this move by the Thunder a lot. They get that shooter they need, and makes tomorrow more interesting.
Doesn't want to trade Green. He is a critical part to them being as versatile as they are
True, but you can't just hold onto a player because you like. The only time i've seen that pan out is when the Celtics refused to give up Rondo in the KG deal, but thats it. If you could draft Cousins/Favors for Jeff Green and picks you do it. The Thunder would be almost unstoppable with Durant and Cousins, and lets not forget Westbrook. It would make everyone on the team better. Plus with one of the picks you could draft someone like Ebanks or Robinson to fill in for KD when he's on the bench.
Actually I think it's pretty clear the Thunder DO put a lot of stock in team chemistry and players' character, which is a big part of how they were so successful this year. If they want to keep winning they will probably keep doing the same thing that's been working, not start adding guys like Beasley. He may be more talented, but he's the classic example of a guy who never reaches that potential. Tweener, bad attitude, and teams will be reluctant to give him an opportunity to be a top 2 option because of his two disappointing years in Miami.
The Heat are on to something enormous... Too bad the Nets didn't bite on that Dooling for Beasley trade not too long ago. That would've given them the non-guaranteed contract they need to land Wade, plus two more max players.
Can I get a standing applause for both teams played hard? I don't think I could have said it any better. Wade is staying. Miami is the only team that can pull in 3 max guys, just by making Wade sign last. Wade loves it there and is excited to get the chance to get some talent. There are a lot of guys that want in the NBA from Europe and the D-League, a lot of vets that want a chance to win a championship, guys coming off injury or that were overpaid that want to prove something and a lot of guys that want to stay in the U.S. and play no matter what. You got a hall of fame coach that is probably going to come back when the team is assembled and a fairly wide open NBA. I love the defense of the Celtics and Lakers, but are either of those teams really that impressive? Most of the contenders are getting older and a team like L.A. is thin on bench play with a center that still can't get right. Wade did pretty well with what little he had, so imagine what he can do with more. Afterall, the guy won a championship with a bunch of aging players.