Is a player that averages 22ppg 8rpg 2apg .5spg and 2bpg worth a Max Contract. Spare me the "It depends on the players attitude, and how many games he wins putting uip those numbers,". Would it be fair or not.Would an arbitrator justify this.
It depends. If the player gets the ball all the time, those numbers might be screwed.
On a playoff/ title contender team- all players numbers drop.
Is that Rudy Gay? Amare Stoudemire?
Lets just say to be fair the team is 500.
A player like Tim Duncan can score low twenties and be worth max money , or a pt guard like DWill. There are alot of variable to consider.
If the team is 500, then I would lean towards giving him a max contract. I know who this is now
I think it's either Dwight Howard or Pau Gasol.
Pau Gasol averaged 18 pts and 11 boards this past season. Dwight Howard averaged 18 pts and 13 boards.
I would say NO, a guy averaging 22 and 8 is not worth a max contract, at least not if he's a C or PF. At SF or SG, 8 is a high rebound number, but 22 ppg is not phenomenal. It looks like a big man's numbers, though, with 2 blocks per game.
It looks like Amare Stoudemire, but It depends if they player plays defense, how efficient the player is in scoring those points(does he take 20 shots?), and how his chemistry is with other players in the locker room.
what happend to the nba?? i ask this b/c every time someone bring up if a player should be a max guy the next statement is "if he puts up these numbers".... based on # the league should be filled with max guys but the reality is that there is only about 5 REAL max players.... based on # j. johnson/z. randolph should be max players but are they?
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Its Andrea Bargnani LMAO
He averaged 17ppg 6rpg 1apg and 1.5bpg last year being the second option to Bosh in pretty much every category.I can see him going 22ppg 8rpg 2apg and 2 bpg easily.Maybe 2 bpg is a stretch but BOGUT seemed to make the same shot blocking jump in his 5th year and Bargnani is entering his 5th year.
In Boguts 5th year when he turned 26 he made a 1bpg improvement to a 2.5 bpg improvement so saying Bargnani goes from a 1.5 bpg to a 2bpg improvement isnt so bad especially with Bosh leaving.
Also Toronto was 500 last year.
He maybe not worth a Max Contract but he is now entering his prime and I'm confident he will fulfill his potential.Andrea Bargnani is one hell of a steal at 8 million dollars next year and 50 million through his next 5.
To be honest, I could see that happening.
He has improved his numbers vastly since his rookie year. I don't know if he a #1 option but if Toronto could surround him with good players, I think he would improve and have very good numbers.
They get that deal for 10 million dollars through the 5 years of his prime LMAO.It just dawned on me how great of a deal Bargnani's contract really is.
im sorry but i cant agree.... let me start by saying i'm a raps fans and watch the majority of there games and to even think that bargnani is going to be thought of as a 1st option makes me sick... yes he can put up thoses numbers but can he box out and can he be a presents on the court? the answer is NO... watching the finals u realize that 7ft players that hang out at the 3pt line dont WIN games only get NUMBERS
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Rest assured, wherever LeBron lands, the rest of these teams with cap room will panic to build their teams back up and overpay max money to guys like Boozer, Joe Johnson, and maybe Rudy Gay.
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The Raptors arent going to win any Championships anyways...Watching the Finals has made me realize ITS ALWAYS THE FRICKIN LAKERS AND THE FRICKIN CELTICS AND ANOTHER DYNASTY TEAM OF THAT DECADE ALONG WITH WHATEVER TEAM GETS LUCKY IN THE DRAFT.The one exception had a 3 point shooting 7 big Man.
2008-09 Los Angeles Lakers
2007-08 Boston Celtics
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs-Tim Duncan (lucky 1st overall)
2005-06 Miami Heat -Dwayne Wade (lucky Det picked Darko and Tor picked Carter)
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs -Parker (also lucky to select Parker in the 2nd round)
2003-04 Detroit Pistons - Rasheed Wallace (3 point shooting big man)
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs - see above
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers
2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers
1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers
1998-99 San Antonio Spurs -see above
1997-98 Chicago Bulls -MJ Dyanasty...lucky they didnt pick Len Bias or Sam Bowie
1996-97 Chicago Bulls
1995-96 Chicago Bulls
1994-95 Houston Rockets-Lucky they picked Oloajawan
1993-94 Houston Rockets
1992-93 Chicago Bulls
1991-92 Chicago Bulls
1990-91 Chicago Bulls
1989-90 Detroit Pistons -Lucky they picked Isaiah Thomas
1988-89 Detroit Pistons
1987-88 Los Angeles Lakers
1986-87 Los Angeles Lakers
1985-86 Boston Celtics
1984-85 Los Angeles Lakers
1983-84 Boston Celtics
Whats that suppose to show us?
None of our teams are gonna win lol
Andrea will NEVER be a max contract player and will NEVER be a first option. He's a good scorer, but that's it...He's one of the worst rebounders I've ever seen for a 7 footer with his talent.
andrea not a # 1 ?, probably right but dont say never. Greg Oden will never be a max player either and more likely be considered a bust than Andrea
Andrea is a first option as soon as Bosh leaves and you people are gonna feel pretty damn stupid for saying that.He wont be a max contract since hes signed through his prime.
How many wins does the league award for stats... I bet you are big Allen Iverson fan. You probably also think a team would win the championship the first year if they were awarded the top 5 picks in the draft. Yea.... Toronto that hot bed of basketball knowlege.
In my opinion a 25 and 10 guy is not necessarily a max contract player. Thats not enough. I want more if I was managing a team. A max player should be the type of player who clearly dominates his peers on BOTH ends of the floor. Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Durant are probably it at their positions. Now you should rank those 4 and one ends up with a max contract. Its also important to note that what is max for one player is not max for another. Kobes max is much higher then everyone else in the league right now because every contract he has signed has escalated in value since his original via annual raises. This has occured because he continued to play at a high level and didn't fall off. This is not exactly normal. Most players get their max contract and then they dont produce for the duration and their next contract is for signifigantly less.
The entire concept of who is a "Max Contract Player" is skewed. Technically there should only be one in the entire league. You take the player who provides the best statistical contributions across the board (Pts, Rebs, Ast, Stl, Blks, FT %, Fg% etc) in the entire league and that is THE max player. Since every other player is producing slightly less then there should be carry over to having a less then max contract. A max contract should be based on what the very best a given player could possibly hope to produce. If that player is the ideal of what a max player is, then every other player should be worth slightly less.
Of course this entire system doesn't work this way. There are an average of 25-30 max players in the league at any one time based on salaries that are actually given out around the league. Max being a salary of approx 14 mil per season for a late first rounder siging his first max extension depending on the league wide salary cap in a given season. A high lottery pick can currently achieve approx 15.8 mil for his max. Kobe's Max will be nearly 30 mil at the end of his most recent contract extension.
When you take all this information and throw it at the wall you realize there are some truely awful signings that take place every year. Many of these signings occur based on "potential", a word I loath in the NBA. Prove yourself first for more then a year at max level production. GM's don't operate this way.
If a player improves his first 4 seasons in the league (usually as a result of increased playing time) the GM leaps to the conclusion that the 5th and 6th seasons will continue to show further improvement. This is a fatal mistake which is Always repeated in every form of finance. All the guys on wall street said the samething about housing prices. Infact, the entire lending system was built upon the principal that housing values will always go up, every year, no exceptions. Some years it will be 1% others it will be 7-8%, but prices will always go up. This is crappy logic based on nothing but long term trends with no actual real life fundamentals behind the idea. Gm's get burned on this ALL THE TIME! Its so annoying.
There's been a long standing premise that players out perform their typical production in a contract year. This is very true. Going into the offseason of a contract year an agent motivates the player to start eating right and to work out all summer. He will show up to camp in the best shape of his life with a wonderful attitude. He will be a hard worker in practice and a great teammate in the locker room. Carlos Boozer anyone?
If we go back to the original question "Is a player that averages 22ppg 8rpg 2apg .5spg and 2bpg worth a Max Contract?" The answer is no. That is nice production but it is not the very best in the league. Should Bargnani achieve that level of production then he will likely be worth his contract... thats not to say he will be a championship caliber starter though. If the point of all of this is to sign players who will effectively contribute to a championship then Bargnani is not worth the money at all.
Every championship team has a tremendous big man up front. If Bargnani is your best bigman... your in trouble. If he is not, then you need to sign another bigman to even more money to make this all work against the best constructed teams in the league. That will be 20-25 million for your PF and C. Now we need an elite PG and a tremendous SG who can hit 3's and is capable of creating his own shot and gets to the line while converting a high% of free throws. If we presume 10-13 mil for the PG and another 10-13 mil or so for our SG then we are at 40-50 mil without a starting SF on a 56 mil dollar cap and we only have 4 players signed. We need and effective guard and big off the bench. Lets say midlevel salary for those guys. We are now over the cap with only 7 players signed. and not one is a MAX player.
My point is, you cannot afford even one bad contract unless your willing to go WAY over the cap to win a championship with the way salaries are currently thrown around in the NBA. Hopefully the next CBA addresses some of these issues.
This is not to say Max salary guys are not extremely important to a championship. Every team who won a championship over the last 30 or so years has had a max contract player in its roster except the Detroit Pistons in 03-04. The thing you notice about these max guys is its the same MAX salary players who keep winning and all the other max guys don't bring your team to the promised land. In that regard a GM should be extremely careful about who they give out Max/ near max money to. Paying a player Max money in no way ensures Max player production or contributions to a championship.
There are very few players in the league truely worth a max contract. These contributions "22ppg 8rpg 2apg .5spg and 2bpg" are definitly not worth Max money. Not even remotely close.