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He should of went to college...

College can do wonders for a basketball player. It can help a player enhance the skills they already have in order for them to have a better chance at either making it to the NBA or being a better player when they get there. I wanted to start a thread to name some of the players i think would have benefited from playing in college or from staying in school longer.

Sebastion Telfair - would have played under Rick Patino at Louisville, could have developed the leadership skills needed to run an NBA ball club. Also Patino would have helped him develop his jump shot and his on-ball defense.
JR Smith - would have played under Roy Williams at UNC. Also would have been a teammatte of Felton,Mccants and Sean May the year that they won the national championship. Coach Williams would have helped him develop his defense and ball handling. Im sure he would have helped with his shot selection as well.
Donte Green - Should have stayed longer. Everyone knew he was NBA bound but after a decent freshman year at Syracuse he clearly wasnt ready in my mind. He still has a chance to develop into a really good NBA player but the transition from college into the NBA would have went a lot smoother if he would have left college after his soph/jr year.
Lou Williams - Was the top ranked player in the country for most of his senior year. At Georgia he would have been the focal point of there offense. He would have established a better understand of how to lead a team. I also feel like in college he would have developed a more consistent jump shot.


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The question is with Smith

The question is with Smith going to UNC who would have been the 1st man off the bench him or Marvin Williams?

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Kwame Brown

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I don't think Coach Boeheim

I don't think Coach Boeheim really was upset Greene left, or wanted him to stay. He put up the great numbers, but he wasn't really a winning player and he played soft and wasn't a smart enough defender to really be a good defender in that zone. I don't think playing for Syracuse for an extra year would've done all that much for him.

J.R. Smith would be the same player he is right now too. His ball-handling wouldn't have improved in that 1 year, nor his D. Wayne Ellington improved his handle and D VERY marginally in 3 years at UNC and the same for McCants, and both play similar styles as Smith. Smith is just bigger and more athletic than they are. Also, think about the headache of having McCants and Smith on the same team

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Yeah but college can do

Yeah but college can do wonders in areas that can help a player become a better player.
You can learn good habits, better fundamentals, teamwork. All these things contribute to better shot selection, better defensive skills, smarter decision making. So i think college could have very well been beneficial for a player like JR.

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Duke guys

Sean Livingston- comitted to us and changed his mind at the last minute and decided to make the jump to the nba. really wish he would have com ebecuz we would have had a pretty nice team that year.
Josh Mcroberts and Shavlik Randolph- they should stayed longer. hell honestly they should have graduated the way they played

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The point is, it's not just

The point is, it's not just about basketball skills, it's about maturity.

It's about learning that, if you put up 25ppg 10rpg, 5apg in high school and you go straight to the pros, you're like Kobe Bryant.. You have to start from the bottom up. Not like LeBron who was at the top from the start.

You go to college, you'll put up numbers like 16ppg, 7rpg, 3apg.
You go to the NBA after college, 10ppg, 4rpg, 2apg you're rookie year.
Now if you go to the NBA straight out of high school, you still think you're that hotshot that gets triple doubles like nothing and you end up on the bench averaging 5-2-1 while shooting 35% and playing 7mpg

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So basically any player who

So basically any player who came out of high school who hasn't been a success in the NBA should have gone to college. It's all retrospect. At least some of these guys made some millions while they were young. Who's to say that if Ndudi Ebi went to college that he'd be a good NBA player today. Maybe if he goes to college he doesn't even get drafted. I would be a supporter though of bigs going to college. When high schoolers were allowed to enter early too many were dominant in high school purely on athleticism and when they got to the league we learned they had no true post skill. I'm talking to you Kwame Brown.

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If can do wonders for most

If can do wonders for most that stay longer than 1 year, but do you really think Smith's handle, shot selection, and D would've improved playing for Roy Williams iin 1 YEAR? I don't. It hasn't worked in 6 years in the NBA really at all, and it's not like Coach Karl and Byron Scott didn't try and improve it.

Also, you are probably not thinking about having Rashad McCants and J.R. Smith on the same team. There are legit concerns about having 2 players like that on the same team

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JNixon. You have to

JNixon.

You have to understand, when you go to college, you are taught to be a man and to mature. Once you're in the NBA, they aren't trying to make you a man, they are trying to make you a basketball player.

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If some of those guys went to

If some of those guys went to college, they may get exposed of having "bust" potentially and slip a long way from wherever they were drafted.

If Kwame Brown went to college, he might have been a 2nd round pick then people would probably remember him as a solid player from the 2nd round than a bust at number 1.

It's hard to say really.

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I understand it perfectly

I understand it perfectly fine. I said nothing about his maturation (other than indirectly stating that him and McCants on the same team is a headache.....which I seriously doubt would've changed in 1 year). I have questions that Smith's handles, shot selection and D would be better had he played for UNC in a single season though. Which has nothing to do with "becoming a man."

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college maybe would have have

college maybe would have have helped some but most were already thinking of going pro so pretty much college would have been a one year thing and it would have been them doing the bare minimum. Telfair would have been helped mainly because he peaked to late in the NBA, He is a solid back up and a spotty starter but because of his past unsuccessful attempts, he is a 3rd point right now.

Kwame would have never been a 2nd round pick and maybe going to college would have helped him because it would appear now, his problems are more mental than physical or skills because he has the ability to score and rebound more than he does.

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I agree with you 100%. If a prospect is a surefire lotto pick or something coming out of high school, I can't really blame them.. Blame the scouts and the system. There are some players who should have went to college, but they probably wouldn't have been drafted as high as they were. If a prospect gets overhyped or whatever, it's nothing wrong with the prospect taking advantage of that and making money. Yeah at best, they would have a college education, but a college education isn't worth millions and millions of dollars especially to a professional athlete, and it's the truth..

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Actually JNixon Shot

Actually JNixon

Shot selection comes with maturity because when you're mature, you know your limitations. As well as playing defense, defense is by choice and some players choose not to play defense, maturity helps here as well because you choose to play defense because you understand it's a priority.

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Shot selection is about being

Shot selection is about being smart more than being mature. And defense is about being willing to play D. Both have little to nothing to do with being mature.

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Being smart and actually

Being smart and actually thinking are 2 very different things. You can be smart, but you need your maturity to actually think.

Willing to play defense is also about prioritizing it, which requires maturity.

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at the same time college

at the same time college might have exposed some of the players and they may not have made it. telfair is one of them i think might have had a hard time. the same with gereld green who would have just relied on his athletic ability. i think jr smith would have made it though. these players should be able to develope in the nba because they get more training. pro coachs working with them. no time limit on practice and going up against the best in the world every day. i think the players that have clearly gotten better every year could have still had the success int he nba that they are having but those who havent seemed to get much better might have made a good decision to go to the nba early and cash in before teams realized that they dont have the work sthic and they are closer to there celing then the team thought

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at the same time college

at the same time college might have exposed some of the players and they may not have made it. telfair is one of them i think might have had a hard time. the same with gereld green who would have just relied on his athletic ability. i think jr smith would have made it though. these players should be able to develope in the nba because they get more training. pro coachs working with them. no time limit on practice and going up against the best in the world every day. i think the players that have clearly gotten better every year could have still had the success int he nba that they are having but those who havent seemed to get much better might have made a good decision to go to the nba early and cash in before teams realized that they dont have the work sthic and they are closer to there celing then the team thought

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players

If you are in the postiton as a lotto pick straight out of high school, are you really going to turn down the millions of dollars you will be able to make? It's hard for a teenager to do that instead of putting of the payday and doing something better for your long-term future, like going to college and developing more as a player. Blame money on the kids who go straight to the NBA, it is just too enticing to become an instant millionaire.

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Stanford Hoops beat me to

Stanford Hoops beat me to it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Telfair woulda went to college I think he would have got exposed and never made it, smart move on his part to go outta highschool

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Too many guys like Kemp,

Too many guys like Kemp, Moses, KG, hit it big so all these other guys decided might as well.

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"Being smart and actually

"Being smart and actually thinking are 2 very different things. You can be smart, but you need your maturity to actually think.

Willing to play defense is also about prioritizing it, which requires maturity."

Now I'm not going to lie to you......you sound like you have no clue what you're talking about. You're overthinking man, it sounds like you are trying to say something smart, but you're just saying a bunch of stuff that really doesn't make sense.

J.R. Smith's inability to handle the ball, play D, and improve shot selection isn't as deep rooted as you are trying to make it. He just wouldn't have been able to improve all of that in 1 year, there's nothing abnormal about that. You just are thinking too much and making yourself sound silly.

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Leon Smith, Lenny Cooke,

Leon Smith, Lenny Cooke, Korleone Young. Where are they now?

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JNixon You can't tell me that

JNixon

You can't tell me that prioritizing and knowing your limits has nothing to do with being mature.

C'MON MAN!

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Shaun Livingston anyone ?

Shaun Livingston anyone ?

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But what does prioritizing

But what does prioritizing have to do with improving your ball-handling, shot selection, and D in 1 season?

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College vs. Pros

I think we talked about this subject a lot in the past little while and I think their are major pro's and con's on both sides. On the side of the player, I think precedent has shown that many players who entered out of HS have gone on to fantastic success, though it has usually taken a period of adjustment. However, college has like stanfordhoops has pointed out, maybe exposed players weaknesses, which in the end just gives the NBA all the more reason for wanting the one year rule to exist. If you are a top player in your class, or someone with possible aspirations of entering the draft out of HS, the chances are that you will more than likely be able to do so. Luckily, their has not been an epidemic of injuries to say otherwise (Greg Oden had microfracture after the draft, and while it was tragic, De'Sean Butler was a senior when it happened, so it does not really apply to the whole one and done thing) and it has led to players being more prepared to contribute right away. Their were a bevy of players leaving after their first year before this happened, and even if this rule was lifted, their would still be one and done players. This rule does however give NBA teams a chance to see draft prospects go up against a higher level of competition and see how they fare. Before the one year rule, I think it was incredibly difficult to judge how an HS player would convert to the NBA level, and this makes it so much easier. As a fan of the NBA though, and even of the draft, I love the fact that players come into the league at a higher level to contribute. If a player contributes right off the bat out of HS, than imagine if that player had a chance to develop one more year before they went to the league? Almost every HS player had a huge jump from rookie to sophomore season in the league, and I think we are seeing evidence in that by the rookies contributing once out of college. For me, it is much better to see a guy like Tyreke Evans average 20 ppg than maybe 10 in his rookie year. I honestly think that year must matter, and that they are learning the game from experience rather than just sitting on the bench and working their butt off in practice. I may be wrong, but to me if they went back to allowing HS players to enter the league, definitely expect a huge drop-off in rookie contributions, and for the fans of teams that draft a majority of HS players (their were exceptions to the rule, but I do not recall a year where two HS players in the same draft had big impact rookie years), they are getting one less solid year out of their player. That is the way I see it, and I have a lot of statistical evidence to support this. I do not know if a player really gets better by going to college for that first year or playing against the pro's on their team in practice, but what I do know is that one year usually makes a huge difference to a player being able to contribute.

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For each cat that made it, 2 didn't.

For each cat that made it, 2 didn't. Many players at 17 or 18 aren't mature enough to make such a decision.

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Shot selection, handling the

Shot selection, handling the ball, and playing D and having maturity are two diffrent things... I have meet people with very high BBall IQ and knowledge of how to play the game the right way, but were immature about all other things.. For some players maturity CAN translate on the basketball court and for some people is doesnt translate...

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Lenny Cooke was too dumb to

Lenny Cooke was too dumb to go through a college classroom, let alone HS

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