Hating On Rondo
I really don't like it when I see all the posts on this website about Rajon Rondo's faults. Most people believe Mr. Rondo is overrated and that his overall game is laughable. Well I am a huge Rondo fan and I would llike to present the case that Rondo is a top 5 PG in this league.
For those who don't follow most of my posts on this site, I like to do a lot of top 10/ top 5 player posts. Well right now here is my top 10 NBA PG Lists at the beginning of the season (remember this is a "right now" list):
1) Chris Paul (WHEN HEALTHY)
2) Derrick Rose
3) Deron Williams
4) Steve Nash
5) Rajon Rondo
6) Russel Westbrook
7) Tony Parker
8) Chauncey Billups
9) Stephen Curry
10) John Wall
In that list you see i have Rondo at number 5 after Pual, rose, Williams, and Nash. Those players are ahead of Rondo for their athleticism, ability to make the three, and leadership ablilites. Rondo is after them not because he doesn't have any of those characteristics, but beacsue of their top tier play. Rondo himself is a top tier player and could easily move up this list all the way to number 1 if he just had a conistent jay. The number one knock on rondo's game is his jumper. all the hate on rondo always comes back to his jumper. If he could knock down that 15-25 foot jumper defenders would have to play up onhim and hed blow by them all day everyday. We will see if his jumper has improved at all over the summer
Now I do admit that rondo should be hated on for his jumper, but on this site more and more hate is being targeted on rondo. I am not even gonna touch on the hate about his assists number or that he is a selfish player. Instead of refuting these outlandish statements, I will talk about Rondo's amazing abilities and accomplishments and whhy he is a top 5 pg
3 MAJOR REASONS WHY RONDO IS A TOP 5 PG
1) Rondo is the best Defensive PG in the league. The guy has avaeraged 2 plus steals a game the last two seasons and was on the all defensive first team last year. Here are some stats that i found ridiculous: Rondo has had 8 4 steal games, Rondo leads all PG's in opposing PG's ppg at 15ppg, and Rondo is the second best Rebounding PG in the league besides Russell Westbrook since 2009. Rondo is no doubt right now the best defensive PG in the NBA
2) Over his career Rondo has had some ridiculous games in crunch time. Rajon Rondo has had 5 triple doubles in playoff games. Just think about that for a second. In 2009, only his third year in the league, Rondo averaged 17 ppg 9.8 apg 9.7 rpg 2.5spg whjile playing 14 games. Rondo also has the Celtics sinlge playoff game record in assists at 20 in 2011. now i now stats don't tell the whole story about a player, but these statistics are ridiculous. tell me the time Rose or Paul have even gotten close to 20 assists in a playoff game or even come close to averaging 9.7 rpg. Stats aren't the only way to measure a player's success, but they do tell a part of the story
3) Rondo has the heart of a champion. Everybody remember that time Rondo raced down the court and hustled past Orlando Magic Jason Williams for the ball in the east finals in 2010? Or more recently the time Rondo played with a dislocated Shoulder? The guy is not selfish and wants to win every night. he is a student of the game and has matured over his short career. Nobody should ever question his will to win. Unfortunately is see many posts about Rondo's selfishness and lack of effort on the court....
Rondo is a top 5 PG no doubt about it....and for all you haters out there, you have your own opinion, but expect rondo to improve this year after a good lockout summer and I hope he makes you think twice about your criticism of Rajon Rondo
im sorry... but i have to disagree...im not a really big fan of rajon rondo. dude can get to the rim and run an offense but thats about it... he has the basketball in his hands more than any player in the NBA and doc pretty much lets him have free reign. rondo doesnt make a whole lot of mental errors but his inability to put the basketball in the hole from outside the paint is extremely pathetic
Who says he needs to put the ball in the hole to be effective when he clearly is effective at getting others involved in having THEM put the ball in the hole. He's simply smart and knows his game. He knows he can't shoot worth a damn, that's why he passes to the people that can and puts them in position to score. He puts his team in position to win.
Think about it this way; You will criticize Russel Westbrook for his playoff performance for trying to do too much when he so clearly had one of the best players in the league to pass to in Kevin Durant. But know you're hating on Rajon Rondo for not trying to do too much and instead is passing the ball of to three potential (and two almost guaranteed) hall of famers? Rondo is about as smart of a point guard as there is in this game. I mean come on.. He's like 25 years old and is still constantly improving his game. He is a champion and you can't say he isn't because lets list the number of point guards of that elite top ten list that has a ring(s): Rajon Rondo, Chauncey Billups, and Tony Parker.
I've never been his biggest fan but there's no denying his talent level and his ability to play the game. He has shortcomings in his game but so does everybody, need I remind you of how LeBron disappeared in the fourth quarter of every game of the finals last year? Point is, Rondo is the type of player you want on your team because he makes everyone else around him better. That is what I would want from a point guard to build a franchise around.
I would call Rondo's lack of ability to shoot not a fault, but more like a gaping hole. Rondo has to be the worst shooting starting point guard in the league. I still think he could land in that 5 spot, although Westbrook is better, but 56 percent free throw percentage is unexcusable, you cant call that "hating" its a major flaw that is extremely important if your talking about elite players in the game. Elite players can close games and when you need a basket, an elite player in my book should be able to get you one, whether thats if the other team fouls you and puts you on the line or the lane is clogged and you have to take a pull up jumper. I dont think were "hating" I think were just fairly accessing his true value.
I personaly have mixed feelings about Rondo I think he is a very good point but at the same time I also think he is overated. The argument above about his D is not the greatest steals don't mean ur a great defender a lot of guys play the passinglanes and come up with steals and arnt good defenders so that atleast wasn't the best point but that being said Rondo is a good defender and maybe the best at his position he also is a good passer but playing with the big three does inflate his assist numbers and I think that's an obvious point as it should but his shortcomings as a player is scoreing, and yes it does matter if he can score or not you have to make the d respect u in order to help the players around u even if you are a good passer I don't ever question his heart or any of that nonsence but you have to wonder why his j and freethrow shooting arnt getting better its a headscratcher to say the least, I would not put rondo in the top 5 points in the league he is definatly top 10 and maybe as high as 6 but I can't put him higher with he's lack of scoreing to help his team when that is what he needs to do, I'm not saying average 20 or somthing just score when he is asked to and at this point he can't b asked to get a bucket on a specific trip down the floor and anyone have faith in that that's what seperates guys like paul, williams, rose, nash, westbrook from a guy like rondo but just to b clear I'm not hateing just stating he's not a complete player as of yet
I understand people's skepticism given he has played with 3 future HOFers pretty much his whole career. That being said, I still take him as a top 5 pg right now. I see Wall surpassing him this year though.
My top 5 PGs...
1. CP3 (healthy)
Tony Parker is better than Rajon Rondo.
It isn't close. Tony Parker was Rajon Rondo when he got to the league, and then he learned to shoot.
Pshhh...ya kiddin me right? You're saying Parker is so much better than Rondo that it isn't even close?
Rondo is a much better playmaker, defender, and rebounder than Parker. Parker may be able to shoot better, but even Parkers shooting is average. To say it isn't even close is absurd. You can say in your opinion Parker tops Rondo, but Rondo would atleast be in the conversation.
Who are your top five point guards heading into the season?
Better playmaker? You do know that shots made count as plays right?
i see where your going m-dymes
my top 5 points right now
i would say parker's three point range is average, but he does have a reliable, consistent mid range jumpshot
as for the better player between rondo and parker, i actually cant even tell, there 2 completely different players... people make the arguement that rondo assists are inflated becuz he plays with 3 future hall of famers... but when u look at it... when rondo wasn't in the games last yr against the heat in the playoffs, the celtics didnt know what even hit them... rondo's situation is similar to when stoudemire was in phx and people were claiming the main reason for stoudemire's success in phx was cuz of nash... but when u look at it, nash helped out amare and amare helped out nash, and without amare, the suns didnt even make the playoffs... same thing with rondo, rondo helps out the big 3 since his court vision and passing ability is amazing, and the big 3 contribute to rondo's success as well
"Better playmaker? You do know that shots made count as plays right?"
No sh*t. But the FG% of both Rondo and Parker have been around .500 so you can't really rip on Rondo's not making as many shots b/c he doesn't take as many, but he doesn't miss as many either. He'd rather get his teammates involved as opposed to trust his shooting and it seems to have been working since his percentage made is about the same as Parker's while his assists are well above. Not to mention his higher assits numbers also translate to better ball movement so when he makes that 2nd pass that gets to a score, he may not get credit for it but he's still making that play.
Notice how I support my argument without just tryina make a statement with a tone of harsh attitude trying to make my opposition seem ignorant.
You can make a fight for Rondo/Nash/Parker there @ 5. All players have their strengths and weaknesses at this point. I just prefer Rondo b/c he probably has the best all around game there. Nash trumps them all offensively, but his D is so poor IMO I can't support him over Rondo, maybe Parker. Parker is very good all around as well, but I think Rondo's superior D, passing/vision, and rebounding puts him above TP IMO.
Was this topic directed at me? Because I just saw the article on ESPN and posted it because I thought it was a good read. I have Rondo in by top 5-6 pgs too.
Also just B/c Parker has high steal #s doesn't mean his D is even remotely close to that of Rondo's. Rondo stuck LBJ and played him very well during the playoffs. If Parker had taken that matchup, he would have been filing child abuse papers.
I really have to disagree that rose is better deron Williams. Paul and Williams r the best don't get me wrong rise is third but until he fully makes everybody better on the team he gets third and I knw u guys r goin to say they had the best record last if that's not making everyone better Idk what is ok ok ok but think about this rose can get tO the rim right kick out and we're all good but u sign booz to be that second guys but the Paint is very crowded and if rose is not in the paint he's shooting 5-27 an ish so tell me this how is he better than DWill and as long as DWill is healthy he's a suPerstar
That's very intriguing but I hear the same criticism about rondo and about rubio (here in europe).
I don't know much what are your feelings about rubio in the usa but here in europe he's very controversial : due to the buzz around him but also about his weeknesses in the game : shooting and scoring.
I hear more and more the same criticism about rondo (scoring and shooting) with lots of people downgrading the importance he can have in the game and success of his team.
I personnaly love those two players, even if they have those weeknesses, and I am aware of the exception they stand for : the first pass pg, the ability to lead the game, the defensive pressure.
M-DYMES, dude, do you not remember when Tony Parker won Finals MVP over the Cavs in 2007? LeBron may not have been the same defender he is now, but Tony Parker is a tough cover, homie. All I can say is, Tony Parker always seem to be right there with the best PG's. He has had Duncan and Ginobili, but this guy just seems to cause teams fits time after time.
The reason Rondo does not take as many shots as Parker is not due to his being unselfish or having great court vision. It is simply because if he did, his percentages would not be close to where they are now. Teams do not go under picks or give Tony Parker room, but they still do that constantly for Rondo. The reason? It works. How exactly do you stop Tony Parker? The guy who constantly is near the top of the league in points in the paint? He definitely has fewer weaknesses, that is for sure.
Defense is not necessarily as black and white as one makes it. Rajon Rondo is a great defender, better than Parker, but is he shutting down the likes of Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, hell, Tony Parker? I think that Tony Parker tends to match-up against any team as well as Rajon Rondo. He does not put up the assist numbers, but he gives your defense constant issues and he is not someone you want to get going on offense. You live with Rajon Rondo taking midrange shots, you die with Parker doing the same.
I agree Parker does come up big in the clutch points in the season (playoffs, big games..etc). His D is stingy, although I will say Rondo's is still much better.
And it is a good thing Rondo doesn't shoot that much. He still can get to the basket as well as anyone in the league, and he relies more on playmaking through passing and letting his teammates shine. PGs should be commended for that.
I like Tony alot and think people don't appreciate his game as much as they should. Still, I take Rondo over him on the year.
I've considered Rajon Rondo better than Tony Parker, but this thread just gave me a completely different way to look at it.
Parker has fewer weaknesses in his game than Rondo, and is actually a go-to player (especially down the stretch) for his team.
Rondo's shooting at every aspect of basketball is a pure weakness... I mean, he's not even average or decent. He's awful.
BTPH made a great point... Making buckets is STILL making plays when ever you get through with it.
I'm with DYMES on this one, for all of Parker's abilities, he still doesn't have the all-around game Rajon does. He's a better scorer and that's IT. Their games are completely different and for BTPH to say Tony was RAjon before Rajon was just laughable because their games are nowhere similar other than speedy rim attackers. Rondo is a team first playmaker who knows how to set his teamates up where they need to score, where Tony knows how to score himself and run the offense he grew up in. He just doesn't do a whole lot of the playmaking for the rest of the team. The thing about Tony, IMO, is that a lot of his flaws as a PG have been hidden by Gino's terrific playmaking/decision making and Timmy's ability to command doubles and have an offense ran throughHIM. Rondo plays with 3 of the better shooters at their positions (Paul,Ray,KG) that allow him to play with the ball in his hands and make his lack of a jumper less of an issue. I see everyones point here as both are amazing players, but i just don't see Tony's strength's bringing in wins for his team if he were the main guy around a bunch of scrubs the way I see Rondo's ability to make easy points for others. Even if said other players were scrubs.
I'm a huge fan of defense and that is where Rondo really seperates himself IMO. As I said, yes Parker is a stingy defender. But Rondo is a lockdown defender who can guard guys who are FAR bigger than he is. He has an unreal wingspan for his size, knows how to move his feet, plays smart D, and knows how to get in the passing lanes. Honestly, he's one of the best defending PGs I've seen since the great Gary Payton.
Agreed, I told my brother before he came out of UK that he was going to become the greatest defensive pg of all time when he retired(perhaps won't be THE greatest but one of) because his quickness,length, and UNNATURAL hand size(similar to the size of Shaq's!!!) Those same gigantic hands are also the reason he will more than likely never be a great shooter or even decent, but I know if I need Rondo, he's somehow going to find a way to do what's needed, just like his big corner 3 against LAL in 10' finals.
I think Parker would have better assist numbers if he handled the rock as much as Rondo. SA has ginobili who has the rock ALOT. Just going with first instinct you say Rondo. When you step back and look at it it still may be Rondo but the difference between Rondo and Parker is minimal.
My top 5
1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Derrick Rose
4) Russell Westbrook
5) Steve Nash
Also, where does everyone think the trio of Rondo, Wall & Holiday will rank in a few years? I think Jrue surpasses Rondo very soon. Wall is the best of the 3 but I think Holiday will give him a good run for many years.
I'm HUGE on Holiday. He reminds me alot of Gary Payton. He's an improving and already good shooter, can play lockdown D, he's got great size, is very smart with the ball, a great handler, a leader, good at getting into the paint, and he's so young. He's my favorite player in the NBA.
Wall has the most potential, but he's gotta learn to play with more control if he ever wants to really become the top PG. He's so fast that sometimes it is his downfall. His shot is improving, he's a very good defender and plays great D in the clutch. If he can just be smarter about when and how to use his speed, he's going to take the league by storm.