[3 No Biases 3Participant]

Its been bugging me the double standard some players are held to.  Im sure I’ll get some negative feedback but it will mostly be from the haters that inspired me anyways…

There are several players who just cant do anything right in peoples eyes and players who can do no wrong also.  Here is a list of players who I feel everyone loves to hate on and seemingly hopes they fail just so they can illogically bash them.  Like if they play good, "Crickets…" and if they play bad, "I told everyone this guy sucks and just doesnt have it".

1. Blake Griffin 
2. Russell Westbrook
3. John Wall
4. Demarcus Cousins
5. Lebron James
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Tyreke Evans
8. Dwight Howard
9. Rudy Gay
10. Brandon Knight

For example in this draft class,

1. Julius Randle
2. Andrew Wiggins

…and the players who can do no wrong.  Like if they play bad, "Crickets…"

1. Chris Paul
2. Kevin Durant
3. Paul George
4. Andre Drummond
5. Kyrie Irving
6. Derrick Rose
7. Dwyane Wade

For example in this draft class,

1. Joel Embiid
2. Jabari Parker
3. Marcus Smart

Dont get me wrong, THIS IS NOT AN OVERRATED OR UNDERRATED LIST, all the players in the "can do no wrong list" are great players but if they mess up its easily forgiven or not really talked about but if the players in the "can do no right" list messed up everyone would be out for their head.  

These tend to be commonalities from what I hear from people and ESPN but I’m not around everyone, I’m sure I left some guys out.  Would Kobe be on either of these lists? I was thinking the "can do no wrong" but I hear enough hate not to place him. 

[bennydabullParticipant]

 I get what you’re saying… almost all of this is due to the media shaping these "good" or "bad" images onto players. I’ve gotten into so many arguments with people who don’t like LeBron and their only reasoning is that he’s an "asshole". We gotta learn to filter out the information that’s given to us because we don’t know these players personally and we’re just spectators in this world of entertainment we call the NBA

[bennydabullParticipant]

 I get what you’re saying… almost all of this is due to the media shaping these "good" or "bad" images onto players. I’ve gotten into so many arguments with people who don’t like LeBron and their only reasoning is that he’s an "asshole". We gotta learn to filter out the information that’s given to us because we don’t know these players personally and we’re just spectators in this world of entertainment we call the NBA

[ChewyParticipant]

 First off, I found your list to incredibly accurate for my personal taste (You had me like damn, he’s right, I do that!).

1. Blake Griffin- I tend to hate him because he revolves his game around being physical and dunking on people’s noggins. Which is awesome, but then he cries and gets into small scuffles anytime someone gives him a hard foul (in college it was outright dirty play, but in the NBA it’s been mostly just hard, not dirty fouls). Look if your going to go all out to go through someone, then don’t get pissed when someone goes all out to stop you… Hence my hate.

2. Dwight and Lebron- 2 words: free agency. My hate isn’t because of where they ended up, it’s how they got there. Their free agency was so bad that both recieved nicknames; Dwightmare and The Decision. LBJ hasn’t done anything hate worthy in over a year, but that still is in the back of my mind. Dan Gilbert’s amazingly childish actions post Lebron have improved my opinion of LBJ (but it is always fun to hate the best of the best when he is not on your team). Dwight has been better in Houston, but last year’s Lakers team was rough to watch.

3. Rondo and Wall- I know exactly where my hate comes from. It is illogical and unsensical but it’s there. I dislike these two because both at one point or another have been heavily debated to be better than Derrick Rose. I think a healthy D Rose (getting harder and harder to remember) is the best PG in the league. I’m from the Chicago area so it’s a homer pick- Hey, I did say that this was illogical and unsensical hate right?

4. I don’t actually hate on Wiggins, but his ridiculous expectations/hype make it easy for others to.

5. Rudy Gay- When a ridiculous ammount of shots taken= wins, then you are a hero like Kobe or AI. When a ridiculous ammount of shots teken= not winning, then you become easy to hate. I don’t really hate on him because he has been in the Western Conference, but I see where people would.

6. Brandon Knight- People hate on him? This one honestly was one of the very few in your posts that suprised me. The rest had me completly pegged.

Now the people who can do no wrong

1. D Rose- Previously mentioned he’s a homer pick for me. Saved the Bulls who had just went from Lottery Luxery to First Rd exits. He is exciting to watch and just cares about winning. Plus there was a lot of hate around his last season "no playoff return."

2. KD- Fun to watch, a 6’11 shooter which is unique even in the NBA and he stayed loyal to the small market team that had him (without any fanfare: see Lebron and Dwight above).

3. Andre Drummond- A lot of people gave up on him after his one year at UCONN. I think he is a "I told you so" prospect for many people. (Not me, I had him top 10 but that’s underrating him given his performance so far)

4. D-Wade- I loved D-Wade (homer pick again), until he teammed up with Lebron and started flopping all over the place. It was also in part to him getting older and having a few injuries that slowed him down, but he just doesn’t attack the backet like he used to and that was what was fun to watch from him. Not his cherry picking and mid range jumpshots.

This is just my opinion, an openly honest one at that, where I explain where my hate/love for players comes from. A lot of my reasoning could be labeled as trivial and you would be right, but I don’t know these guys personally, so it’s all I got.

[MopgrassParticipant]

So, to summarize your ideas: people hate them because of ball-hogging, free agency choices, being unreasonably physical, and not living up to personal/team expectations. That sounds accurate.

[MopgrassParticipant]

So, to summarize your ideas: people hate them because of ball-hogging, free agency choices, being unreasonably physical, and not living up to personal/team expectations. That sounds accurate.

[ChewyParticipant]

 First off, I found your list to incredibly accurate for my personal taste (You had me like damn, he’s right, I do that!).

1. Blake Griffin- I tend to hate him because he revolves his game around being physical and dunking on people’s noggins. Which is awesome, but then he cries and gets into small scuffles anytime someone gives him a hard foul (in college it was outright dirty play, but in the NBA it’s been mostly just hard, not dirty fouls). Look if your going to go all out to go through someone, then don’t get pissed when someone goes all out to stop you… Hence my hate.

2. Dwight and Lebron- 2 words: free agency. My hate isn’t because of where they ended up, it’s how they got there. Their free agency was so bad that both recieved nicknames; Dwightmare and The Decision. LBJ hasn’t done anything hate worthy in over a year, but that still is in the back of my mind. Dan Gilbert’s amazingly childish actions post Lebron have improved my opinion of LBJ (but it is always fun to hate the best of the best when he is not on your team). Dwight has been better in Houston, but last year’s Lakers team was rough to watch.

3. Rondo and Wall- I know exactly where my hate comes from. It is illogical and unsensical but it’s there. I dislike these two because both at one point or another have been heavily debated to be better than Derrick Rose. I think a healthy D Rose (getting harder and harder to remember) is the best PG in the league. I’m from the Chicago area so it’s a homer pick- Hey, I did say that this was illogical and unsensical hate right?

4. I don’t actually hate on Wiggins, but his ridiculous expectations/hype make it easy for others to.

5. Rudy Gay- When a ridiculous ammount of shots taken= wins, then you are a hero like Kobe or AI. When a ridiculous ammount of shots teken= not winning, then you become easy to hate. I don’t really hate on him because he has been in the Western Conference, but I see where people would.

6. Brandon Knight- People hate on him? This one honestly was one of the very few in your posts that suprised me. The rest had me completly pegged.

Now the people who can do no wrong

1. D Rose- Previously mentioned he’s a homer pick for me. Saved the Bulls who had just went from Lottery Luxery to First Rd exits. He is exciting to watch and just cares about winning. Plus there was a lot of hate around his last season "no playoff return."

2. KD- Fun to watch, a 6’11 shooter which is unique even in the NBA and he stayed loyal to the small market team that had him (without any fanfare: see Lebron and Dwight above).

3. Andre Drummond- A lot of people gave up on him after his one year at UCONN. I think he is a "I told you so" prospect for many people. (Not me, I had him top 10 but that’s underrating him given his performance so far)

4. D-Wade- I loved D-Wade (homer pick again), until he teammed up with Lebron and started flopping all over the place. It was also in part to him getting older and having a few injuries that slowed him down, but he just doesn’t attack the backet like he used to and that was what was fun to watch from him. Not his cherry picking and mid range jumpshots.

This is just my opinion, an openly honest one at that, where I explain where my hate/love for players comes from. A lot of my reasoning could be labeled as trivial and you would be right, but I don’t know these guys personally, so it’s all I got.

[drk3351Participant]

 The Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins thing is so true.

[MUbballfanParticipant]

I like Wiggins and would actually put him in the second category of guys I think do no wrong. I would even go as far as putting Shabazz Muhammad in that category (not a joke). I think I personally see the hype and rankings these players have coming out of HS and I fall in love with them as players/prospects, and it is hard to persuade me otherwise unless they play downright awful in college.

As for Jabari, its hard to hate on him when he does wrong, because, well, I’m pretty sure he hasn’t played one bad game his year, has he?

[MUbballfanParticipant]

I like Wiggins and would actually put him in the second category of guys I think do no wrong. I would even go as far as putting Shabazz Muhammad in that category (not a joke). I think I personally see the hype and rankings these players have coming out of HS and I fall in love with them as players/prospects, and it is hard to persuade me otherwise unless they play downright awful in college.

As for Jabari, its hard to hate on him when he does wrong, because, well, I’m pretty sure he hasn’t played one bad game his year, has he?

[drk3351Participant]

 The Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins thing is so true.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 Kobe is on the hate list, he is a terrible teammate and often deemed as selfish, but on the other hand he is so respected that it negates most of the hate. I don’t think too many people, including players, commentators and fans like Kobe, but this is America and America respects star-power and a winner and Kobe is both. Lebrom has shown that winning can make people forgive the decision and vote him MVP every year again.

[Ebown5Participant]

I admit a pretty irrational hatred of Kobe Bryant. I recognize his greatness, but I have always hated him and still feel like he gets a pass.

He IS a great player, but he is also a worldclass douchebag and poser. I will never get the image out of my head from the first Lakers title with Shaq when Kobe was hamming it up for the cameras and mimicing Jordan’s crying and kissing of the trophy. Kobe was like 22 and given a championship by a better player(Shaq) and acted like Jordan who won his first title after his seventh year in the league and many battles with other teams. Jordan climbed the mountain. Kobe just contributed to Shaq’s title. Kobe has done that a number of times in his career. How about the game where he was sick and he dramatically played it up for the cameras?

Granted, later on in Kobe’s career he proved that he could win without Shaq and that he was a HOF player in his own right, but I never got over how cheesy of a person the young Kobe was. He was fake, and I can’t stand people that aren’t genuine. It always bothers me when players get undue recognition early in their careers. It used to bug me that for the first few years of Iverson’s career the general consensus in the league was that Marbury was the better player. It wasn’t until Iverson switched to the 2 that people started to recognize how good he was. Marbury had higher assist totals for the first few seasons because he played with Garnett.

The lists in the original post are pretty accurate with regard to fan sentiment, but I don’t hate on anyone there like I do on Kobe. Dwight is a bit of a crybaby and a bit overrated I think, but on pure physical ability he deserves to be recognized as a great player. I do think that his game will fall off faster than most when his athleticism starts to decline since he doesn’t have a lot of skill.

Lebron didnt handle his free agency well, but I have always liked him and enjoyed him. I am rooting for him to continue to win titles and rival Jordan for the GOAT. 

For the college players, I think that the source of people’s expectations with regard to Embiid and Wiggins especially are clouded by the fact that people use superlatives while describing these guys when there are better players out there. When I talk about the college players I am almost exclusively talking about them as prospects and not players. 

People who don’t distinguish between the player and the prospect tend to hear the superlatives on Wiggins for example and think that he should be a better player to deserve them. For me, how good they are in college is almost irelavant so the uneven play of Wiggins and Embiid is to be expected. They are still unreal prospects.

Put another way, if Duke and Kansas played a 7 game nba style playoff series I think that Parker would likely dominate it like the superstar that he is, and Embiid would struggle with foul trouble and Wiggins would have ups and downs. There is no question who the best player is today, but the point of evaluating these guys is to determine who the best player will be in 3 years. There is a bit of an apples to oranges thing going on when talking about these guys and that is the primary source of some fan’s hating on some of the players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Ebown5Participant]

I admit a pretty irrational hatred of Kobe Bryant. I recognize his greatness, but I have always hated him and still feel like he gets a pass.

He IS a great player, but he is also a worldclass douchebag and poser. I will never get the image out of my head from the first Lakers title with Shaq when Kobe was hamming it up for the cameras and mimicing Jordan’s crying and kissing of the trophy. Kobe was like 22 and given a championship by a better player(Shaq) and acted like Jordan who won his first title after his seventh year in the league and many battles with other teams. Jordan climbed the mountain. Kobe just contributed to Shaq’s title. Kobe has done that a number of times in his career. How about the game where he was sick and he dramatically played it up for the cameras?

Granted, later on in Kobe’s career he proved that he could win without Shaq and that he was a HOF player in his own right, but I never got over how cheesy of a person the young Kobe was. He was fake, and I can’t stand people that aren’t genuine. It always bothers me when players get undue recognition early in their careers. It used to bug me that for the first few years of Iverson’s career the general consensus in the league was that Marbury was the better player. It wasn’t until Iverson switched to the 2 that people started to recognize how good he was. Marbury had higher assist totals for the first few seasons because he played with Garnett.

The lists in the original post are pretty accurate with regard to fan sentiment, but I don’t hate on anyone there like I do on Kobe. Dwight is a bit of a crybaby and a bit overrated I think, but on pure physical ability he deserves to be recognized as a great player. I do think that his game will fall off faster than most when his athleticism starts to decline since he doesn’t have a lot of skill.

Lebron didnt handle his free agency well, but I have always liked him and enjoyed him. I am rooting for him to continue to win titles and rival Jordan for the GOAT. 

For the college players, I think that the source of people’s expectations with regard to Embiid and Wiggins especially are clouded by the fact that people use superlatives while describing these guys when there are better players out there. When I talk about the college players I am almost exclusively talking about them as prospects and not players. 

People who don’t distinguish between the player and the prospect tend to hear the superlatives on Wiggins for example and think that he should be a better player to deserve them. For me, how good they are in college is almost irelavant so the uneven play of Wiggins and Embiid is to be expected. They are still unreal prospects.

Put another way, if Duke and Kansas played a 7 game nba style playoff series I think that Parker would likely dominate it like the superstar that he is, and Embiid would struggle with foul trouble and Wiggins would have ups and downs. There is no question who the best player is today, but the point of evaluating these guys is to determine who the best player will be in 3 years. There is a bit of an apples to oranges thing going on when talking about these guys and that is the primary source of some fan’s hating on some of the players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[NJHooper95Participant]

 Kobe is on the hate list, he is a terrible teammate and often deemed as selfish, but on the other hand he is so respected that it negates most of the hate. I don’t think too many people, including players, commentators and fans like Kobe, but this is America and America respects star-power and a winner and Kobe is both. Lebrom has shown that winning can make people forgive the decision and vote him MVP every year again.

[DondiJohnParticipant]

 he kicked/kneed ramon sessions because he didnt get the call on the other end

[DaGuywhodidurmaParticipant]

 

He also kung fu kicked metta and broke rondos arm. I dont think hes on anyones fave 5 other than heat fans.

[MUbballfanParticipant]

 Marquette fans also seem to like him lol

[MUbballfanParticipant]

 Marquette fans also seem to like him lol

[DaGuywhodidurmaParticipant]

 

He also kung fu kicked metta and broke rondos arm. I dont think hes on anyones fave 5 other than heat fans.

[DondiJohnParticipant]

 he kicked/kneed ramon sessions because he didnt get the call on the other end

[MopgrassParticipant]

There are very, very few players I don’t like.

I only hate complainers and crybabies: from Reggie Miller back in the day to Dwight Howard today… the kind of guys you play pick-up ball against and call foul every time they miss a shot.

[MopgrassParticipant]

There are very, very few players I don’t like.

I only hate complainers and crybabies: from Reggie Miller back in the day to Dwight Howard today… the kind of guys you play pick-up ball against and call foul every time they miss a shot.

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I don’t think the Hated players list is complete without Carmelo Anthony!

Carmelo Anthony career averages 25.1 points, on .455% shooting, .809% from the line and .335% from three to go along with 3 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks and 6.5 rebounds. While averaging 2.9 turnovers per game and 19.6 shots per game. He’s considered an immature chucker, who doesn’t play defense is a ball stopper on offense and a ball hog, who often gets left out of peoples top 10 NBA players list. 

Round those numbers and you have 25 points, on 46% shooting, 81% from the line, and 34% from three to go along with 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 7 rebounds and 3 turnovers  on 20 shots per game.

 

While Kevin Durant on the other hand has career averages of 26.7 points, on .476% shooting, .883 from the line and .377 from three to go along with 3.2 assists, 1.3 steals, 1 block and 6.9 rebounds. While averaging 3.2 turnovers per game and 18.8 shots per game. He’s considered the second best player in the NBA, a surefire MVP candidate and the only guy who can challenge Lebron. 

Round those numbers and you have 27 points, on 48% shooting, 88% from the line, and 38% from three to go along with 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 7 rebounds, and 3 turnovers on 19 shots per game. 

Let’s look at the stats at face value they aren’t that different. Kevin Durant is a slightly more efficient scorer/shooter, a little bit of a better shot blocker. Yet one player is a savior and one is a cancer. 

 

Let’s look at Melo in the post season, since he isn’t considered a championship player…

In ten seasons, Carmelo Anthony’s teams have lost to the eventual Conference Champion five times, four of which occurred in the first Round. They lost to the eventual NBA Champion four times. In only 3 of the 10 seasons did his team lose to a team that failed to reach at least the Conference Finals (2006, 2010 and 2011).

While some would try to point to the fact that Carmelo Anthony’s teams have not had a lot of success in the playoffs as a remarkable blight on his record, it is nothing of the sort. It is instead the confirmation of a long-understood truth: while having a single elite player on your roster will usually make you good enough to win 45+ games and make the playoffs, it’s not enough to contend for a title. While it would have been great to see Carmelo raise his game in the playoffs and help his teams achieve upsets by beating comparably superior teams, such an expectation is not reasonable. He has played on primarily good but not great teams with good but not great players.

Carmelo Anthony has also made the post season in every season of his career. (If the Knicks don’t make it this year it will be the first. It could also be the first time he has fielded a team that has finished the season below .500) 

That hated players list isn’t complete without Carmelo Anthony. I’m definitly not saying he’s better than Kevin Durant because I know someone will read this and get that from it,(comprehension people) I’m just saying these players are a lot closer than people think, but public perception ruins one and not the other. 

[BigChamp12Participant]

Good Job!!

I argue that same thing against my friends every single day. Melo gets hammered for being almsot the exact same player that KD is.

[BigChamp12Participant]

Good Job!!

I argue that same thing against my friends every single day. Melo gets hammered for being almsot the exact same player that KD is.

[Pistol Pete. The PelicanParticipant]

 I don’t think the Hated players list is complete without Carmelo Anthony!

Carmelo Anthony career averages 25.1 points, on .455% shooting, .809% from the line and .335% from three to go along with 3 assists, 1.1 steals, 0.5 blocks and 6.5 rebounds. While averaging 2.9 turnovers per game and 19.6 shots per game. He’s considered an immature chucker, who doesn’t play defense is a ball stopper on offense and a ball hog, who often gets left out of peoples top 10 NBA players list. 

Round those numbers and you have 25 points, on 46% shooting, 81% from the line, and 34% from three to go along with 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 7 rebounds and 3 turnovers  on 20 shots per game.

 

While Kevin Durant on the other hand has career averages of 26.7 points, on .476% shooting, .883 from the line and .377 from three to go along with 3.2 assists, 1.3 steals, 1 block and 6.9 rebounds. While averaging 3.2 turnovers per game and 18.8 shots per game. He’s considered the second best player in the NBA, a surefire MVP candidate and the only guy who can challenge Lebron. 

Round those numbers and you have 27 points, on 48% shooting, 88% from the line, and 38% from three to go along with 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 7 rebounds, and 3 turnovers on 19 shots per game. 

Let’s look at the stats at face value they aren’t that different. Kevin Durant is a slightly more efficient scorer/shooter, a little bit of a better shot blocker. Yet one player is a savior and one is a cancer. 

 

Let’s look at Melo in the post season, since he isn’t considered a championship player…

In ten seasons, Carmelo Anthony’s teams have lost to the eventual Conference Champion five times, four of which occurred in the first Round. They lost to the eventual NBA Champion four times. In only 3 of the 10 seasons did his team lose to a team that failed to reach at least the Conference Finals (2006, 2010 and 2011).

While some would try to point to the fact that Carmelo Anthony’s teams have not had a lot of success in the playoffs as a remarkable blight on his record, it is nothing of the sort. It is instead the confirmation of a long-understood truth: while having a single elite player on your roster will usually make you good enough to win 45+ games and make the playoffs, it’s not enough to contend for a title. While it would have been great to see Carmelo raise his game in the playoffs and help his teams achieve upsets by beating comparably superior teams, such an expectation is not reasonable. He has played on primarily good but not great teams with good but not great players.

Carmelo Anthony has also made the post season in every season of his career. (If the Knicks don’t make it this year it will be the first. It could also be the first time he has fielded a team that has finished the season below .500) 

That hated players list isn’t complete without Carmelo Anthony. I’m definitly not saying he’s better than Kevin Durant because I know someone will read this and get that from it,(comprehension people) I’m just saying these players are a lot closer than people think, but public perception ruins one and not the other. 

[evangelion79Participant]

 All I have to say about the melo & Durant comparison is this. Minus Westbrook does Durant have a better supporting cast than Carmelo? I don’t think so. Yet he’s winning and Carmelo isnt. The reason? His percentages of fg/3pt/ft are all well above carmelos. Also he is averaging 2 more ppg on 2 less fga per game. All this while dishing out 2 more assists per game. Nearly doubling carmelos average. So in my opinion the love/hate is pretty justified where those 2 are concerned.

[XYRYXParticipant]

 The KD – Melo comparison is a bit more complicated to me than just the percentages and boards, assists etc. 

The fact that Melo forced a trade to a team he could have joined in free agency also just to sign for better money while weakening the Knicks is one of the factors many dislike him. I always respected his game and I have to admit I don’t like him very much, his offensive talents are undeniable. He is not the leader he once seemed to be and never really showed the desire to be a better defender but he is still a franchise player to me. 

 

[XYRYXParticipant]

 The KD – Melo comparison is a bit more complicated to me than just the percentages and boards, assists etc. 

The fact that Melo forced a trade to a team he could have joined in free agency also just to sign for better money while weakening the Knicks is one of the factors many dislike him. I always respected his game and I have to admit I don’t like him very much, his offensive talents are undeniable. He is not the leader he once seemed to be and never really showed the desire to be a better defender but he is still a franchise player to me. 

 

[BigChamp12Participant]

How can you say minus Westbrook, when Durant has Westbrook? Westbrook went down but that just happened. We all saw last year in the playoffs when Westbroook went down, KD’s efficiency went down dramatically. His numbers were there but the percentages dropped. Even now, Durant has a point guard. Reggie Jackson is better than any point guard on the Knicks Roster. Serge Ibaka is better than anybody Melo has on his team period. His supporting cast is indeed better than what Melo has, which all affects efficiency and difficulty of shots taken. Knicks have no one right now that can create shots for other players. The Thunder has always had that, which allows Durant several spots up shots over the course of a game. With the Knicks situation right now, If Melo doesnt have the ball in his hands, the offense doesn’t get anything. So no, I dont think the love/hate is justified. I just think one player is in a better situation with a better organization with better players around him.

[BigChamp12Participant]

How can you say minus Westbrook, when Durant has Westbrook? Westbrook went down but that just happened. We all saw last year in the playoffs when Westbroook went down, KD’s efficiency went down dramatically. His numbers were there but the percentages dropped. Even now, Durant has a point guard. Reggie Jackson is better than any point guard on the Knicks Roster. Serge Ibaka is better than anybody Melo has on his team period. His supporting cast is indeed better than what Melo has, which all affects efficiency and difficulty of shots taken. Knicks have no one right now that can create shots for other players. The Thunder has always had that, which allows Durant several spots up shots over the course of a game. With the Knicks situation right now, If Melo doesnt have the ball in his hands, the offense doesn’t get anything. So no, I dont think the love/hate is justified. I just think one player is in a better situation with a better organization with better players around him.

[evangelion79Participant]

 All I have to say about the melo & Durant comparison is this. Minus Westbrook does Durant have a better supporting cast than Carmelo? I don’t think so. Yet he’s winning and Carmelo isnt. The reason? His percentages of fg/3pt/ft are all well above carmelos. Also he is averaging 2 more ppg on 2 less fga per game. All this while dishing out 2 more assists per game. Nearly doubling carmelos average. So in my opinion the love/hate is pretty justified where those 2 are concerned.

[XYRYXParticipant]

 Now that’s really an interesting topic and I mostly agree with what’s said above. I always repected D-Wade as a true star, a winning and beeing a flat out pro since he faced the Mavs in the finals. There was the dis on Dirk when he got the flu and all this childish behavior. Bron was involved too but from this day on I had a different look at him. I think D-Wade doesn’t really respect anyone aside from his teammates and that’s not okay to me. I know that guys like Garnett or Shaq always got serious when the game was started but what Wade has done to others on the court due to frustration or just cockyness is just absurd. Last week there was a pretty impressive highlight layup in the 4th where he finished with a lot of contact and he instantly complained that no foul was called. He ALWAYS complains and this makes me really hate him cause he is playing dirty too and acts like nothing happened at the same time. 

The more I see the struggle of the Cavs, the more I think about Kyrie as more of a Agent Zero talent and not the Chris Paul kind of francise player. I loved Gilbert back then and he was toe to toe with Kobe for the guard crown in his prime. Mike Brown is a joke as a offensive coach but one day people may realise that Kyrie has all his talents on the offensive end and doesn’t even care about defense. Maybe I’m wrong and it’s not really a bad thing to be this genarations Gilbert offensively but heck he is always the media darling and never is the reason why this his team struggles. 

[XYRYXParticipant]

 Now that’s really an interesting topic and I mostly agree with what’s said above. I always repected D-Wade as a true star, a winning and beeing a flat out pro since he faced the Mavs in the finals. There was the dis on Dirk when he got the flu and all this childish behavior. Bron was involved too but from this day on I had a different look at him. I think D-Wade doesn’t really respect anyone aside from his teammates and that’s not okay to me. I know that guys like Garnett or Shaq always got serious when the game was started but what Wade has done to others on the court due to frustration or just cockyness is just absurd. Last week there was a pretty impressive highlight layup in the 4th where he finished with a lot of contact and he instantly complained that no foul was called. He ALWAYS complains and this makes me really hate him cause he is playing dirty too and acts like nothing happened at the same time. 

The more I see the struggle of the Cavs, the more I think about Kyrie as more of a Agent Zero talent and not the Chris Paul kind of francise player. I loved Gilbert back then and he was toe to toe with Kobe for the guard crown in his prime. Mike Brown is a joke as a offensive coach but one day people may realise that Kyrie has all his talents on the offensive end and doesn’t even care about defense. Maybe I’m wrong and it’s not really a bad thing to be this genarations Gilbert offensively but heck he is always the media darling and never is the reason why this his team struggles. 

[ibe12Participant]

Wiggins definitely can do no wrong apparently. People go way out of their way to defend this guy. I think Wiggins is what he is. An unassertive slasher who will be a good defender because of his athleticism and length.

[ibe12Participant]

Wiggins definitely can do no wrong apparently. People go way out of their way to defend this guy. I think Wiggins is what he is. An unassertive slasher who will be a good defender because of his athleticism and length.

[HitsterParticipant]

Tim Duncan has always seemed to be a fairly model pro to me and although when his Spurs kept putting Phoenix out of the play offs I wasn’t that keen on him. But now I can see how he is one of the most effective NBA players ever – his contributions may be no better than other franchise players but his scoring and defensive play is always hugely effective way above what his already impressive stat line said.

CP3 has always been acknowledged on here as maybe the best PG in the NBA and D-Rose has always got a lot of love and will have lots more when he returns.

When veterans win a title too a lot of people always seem to be happy for them, for example Payton and Lonzo with Miami in 2006, KG, PP, Ray Allen even PJ Brown with Boston in 2008, Dirk and J-Kidd with Dallas in 2011.

Other guys like T-Mac were hugely popular at their peak as was Vince Carter.

As regards arrogance, I once read somewhere that MJ would tell his opponent what he would do on the next play and then go ahead and do it before the guy could even foul him,  he was that good.

KG plays with intensity and passion and has said a few unpleasant things on court, he commanded the biggest salary in the NBA once but has always been seen as overall quite a humble guy who didn’t start shouting the odds demanding to be traded as soon as the T-Wolves slipped out of contention etc.

[HitsterParticipant]

Tim Duncan has always seemed to be a fairly model pro to me and although when his Spurs kept putting Phoenix out of the play offs I wasn’t that keen on him. But now I can see how he is one of the most effective NBA players ever – his contributions may be no better than other franchise players but his scoring and defensive play is always hugely effective way above what his already impressive stat line said.

CP3 has always been acknowledged on here as maybe the best PG in the NBA and D-Rose has always got a lot of love and will have lots more when he returns.

When veterans win a title too a lot of people always seem to be happy for them, for example Payton and Lonzo with Miami in 2006, KG, PP, Ray Allen even PJ Brown with Boston in 2008, Dirk and J-Kidd with Dallas in 2011.

Other guys like T-Mac were hugely popular at their peak as was Vince Carter.

As regards arrogance, I once read somewhere that MJ would tell his opponent what he would do on the next play and then go ahead and do it before the guy could even foul him,  he was that good.

KG plays with intensity and passion and has said a few unpleasant things on court, he commanded the biggest salary in the NBA once but has always been seen as overall quite a humble guy who didn’t start shouting the odds demanding to be traded as soon as the T-Wolves slipped out of contention etc.

[Deems03Participant]

 Hated….how about Chris Bosh? Dude has skills but people seem to hate the guy. Maybe because of how he acts? They have dubbed videos of him on the net making him out to be gay.  Toronto fans have a reason to hate him because he left(not that I blame him for doing so) but how do other nba fans in other cities and in the US see bosh? Do you guys hate him? And if so why?

[Deems03Participant]

 Hated….how about Chris Bosh? Dude has skills but people seem to hate the guy. Maybe because of how he acts? They have dubbed videos of him on the net making him out to be gay.  Toronto fans have a reason to hate him because he left(not that I blame him for doing so) but how do other nba fans in other cities and in the US see bosh? Do you guys hate him? And if so why?

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 So basically every player from Kentucky? Haha

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 So basically every player from Kentucky? Haha

[jwall1Participant]

This is a good post.. But in regards to prospects, guys like Wiggins and Randle were highly praised and Parker was continually bashed for his lack of athleticism before the start of the NCAAB season. It is interesting to see how opinions have completely changed based on people actually seeing them play..

[jwall1Participant]

This is a good post.. But in regards to prospects, guys like Wiggins and Randle were highly praised and Parker was continually bashed for his lack of athleticism before the start of the NCAAB season. It is interesting to see how opinions have completely changed based on people actually seeing them play..

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