[OhCanada-Participant]

STRENGTHS

Good body and good athletisism. Even without "regaining" his highschool athletic form he is an above average athlete at 6’10 230 with a 7’3 wingspan his mobility is always saught after. Very good rebounder. Gets alot of active rebounders were he beats people to spots. Is capable of crafty finishes at the rim which is a skill that cant be taught, kind of like Antwaan Jamison how he can do unorthodox finishes at the rim. Good rim runner as well.  Alot of his strengths are based on potential. Potentially will be able to show and recover on pick and rolls. Potentially will be able to protect the rim due to his length.

WEAKNESSES

The biggest issue with Giles is although his injuries set him back he kept advancing. He didnt finish his highschool career by being dominant and went straight to college which is okay but then alot of the things he did at the HS level wouldnt work at the college level. Alot of his hookshots and post moves would be a few feet off his spot because competition is stronger and longer. Tends to fade away on past moves. Although he is a good rebounder he rebounds like a gaurd by that I mean he tries to sneak in backdoor or use swim moves to get his boards rather than initiating contact and bodying his man. Doesnt body his man and never got used to college physicality which to me is a big issue. He still plays like a HS player physically. This makes him foul prone. Averaged 7.0 plus fouls per 36 minutes. Shot below 60% from FT. Shoots with his arms not his legs probally due to all the time he spent shooting while injured. Plays defence vertically which negates his length. 

Listen. Heres the thing. I really want to jump aboard the Giles in the lottery train but everytime I think about it… its just not gonna happen guys. Theres just too many bad habits to fix. A team that drafts him has to be patient and teach him how to shoot, how to deal with physicality, how to dribble, pass, defend. Sure hes a good kid and with his body and athletisism surely the best of the best in the NBA can make him a star but theres tons of players in this draft that fit that profile and I didnt even mention his potential future injury history. 

I see no reason to pick Giles ahead of Adebayo, Swanigan, Motley and other big men that have proven they can provide skills teams need to compete. Even Anigbogu has shown glimpses Giles failed to show. 

 

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 I see him as a second rounder (mid second rounder to be exact).

He is overhyped and IMO should not even be in the discussion as a first rounder. Even before his second acl tear I never saw him as a clear cut "superstar-in-the-making."

 

[nill650Participant]

 He was overhyped , but he is not falling to the 2nd round unless his medical testing is terrible. still a tier 1 or 2 prospect.

His raw skill and physical attributes are insane. He is still a potential lottery pick if the med tests come back solid. The only thing lowering it is the injury history regardless of projection.

I would not be surprised if he falls as far as 22 if his workouts suck because he is still not back to form. But someone will take a flyer on him late first if the med tests are at least good and not career ending.

Everything you said about his physicality is all due to the injury. And the desire to compete got him some minutes despite not being able to do so at a high level at that time.

If he falls to the 2nd its because his med test, not his projected ability, in fact I would go as far as to say he is more likely to go undrafted than to fall to the 2nd if the tests are that bed.

 

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 You cannot say with 100% certainty that he won’t fall to the second round unless his medical testing is terrible (that is just your opinion). IMO he could easily drop to the second round, regardless if his medical tests were positive or negative, because this year’s draft has many talented big men who are more polished than him right now.

Someone could take a flyer on him in the first round. IMO he is not a first round prospect, I do not care what the scouts or the "experts" think because at the end of the day this is all speculation and whether or not you like or dislike a prospect’s talent and his NBA potential is a highly subjective matter!

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 No way Giles slides to the 2nd round. I don’t see any possible way he goes past 28 am due could go as high as 17-18. In the acc tournament he changed a couple of games that no other player on dukes team could do. Takes awhile to fully comeback from injury. Big men traditionally have a larger learning curve. 

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 That he won’t slide to the second round. He easily could IMO.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 You can’t say anything with certainty and pointing that out isn’t an argument. You can’t say with certainty that Fultz doesn’t fall all the way to the 55th pick. You can’t say with certainty that some no name comes out of nowhere to be drafted number 1. Not an argument

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 Those two scenarios you mentioned are WAY less realistic than Giles dropping to the second round. They could happen but the likelihood is super low, obviously. 

My argument still stands, you silly goober. 

[gopack10Participant]

This has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements/arguments that has ever been made on this board, even though I guess I can’t say it with 100% certainty.

Just stop. No way to defend the utter ridiculousness in you trying to call someone out for a statement they made when clearly what he posted was opinion and not fact.

he_gets_buckets is completely correct. You’re reaching and trying to make an argument out of absolutely nothing.

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 If the lakers get Ball at 2 and Giles at 28…that’s one hell of a draft

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 You should have said: "IMO, this has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements/arguments that has ever been made on this board…"

 Everyone should say either "I believe" or "IMO" or something else along those lines, before giving their opinion on something. What is wrong with that?

IMO, this isn’t "absolutely nothing." Everyone should strive to be good writers and not come off as opinionated/judgmental smartasses.

Y’all need to grow up and accept my constructive criticism.

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

"You sound triggered" ahahahahah brreh who cares. Save that for your infowars comments. Lets talk ball. Dirty gritty misspelled basketball!!

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 What is infowars anyway?

Quit making assumptions Adam. 

[nill650Participant]

 100% certainty? yes I can say that , and I also said he is not falling to the 2nd round UNLESS his medical testing is terrible. That is 100% fact.

he remains a late lottery pick with injury history based on all GM chatter at the combine with a clean slate medical result going forward.

I also said and believe He is more likely to go undrafted than to get picked at all if he is red or yellow flagged, reenforcing the certainty he will not fall to the 2nd round without completely falling to undrafted.

It’s simple he is either good to go and a late lottery pick, probably good to go and falls to late 1st, or sol and goes undrafted.

the truth is not one single prospect in any draft is a guarantee , I can also say that with 100% certainty.

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 IMO, Giles could definitely fall to the second round. Even if his medical tests check out ok, he could still fall to second round cause there are several other big men who are more polished and more proven than he is.

That last sentence is obvious, no shit sherlock.

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Giles is a good prospect for what he is. But people need to understand what he can do. He wasnt fading away onhook&shots because of a previous injury he was fading away because he couldnt deal with the length and strength of college big men, because he didnt play his senior year of highschool or the training camp/preseason in college. He skipped his development aand is going straight to the pros. Thats not formal.

 At this point he is a rim runner, under the rim, transition scorer. He rebounds well and has potential to be a decent defender. He cant shoot, he cant pass, he is not strong, he is not versatile, he is a tweener in a bad way and needs alot of work to fit todays NBA. Physically and athletically he is worth an early 2nd round pick to me. Hes a project like Diallo, Anigbogu or Ferguson although he also has had some major injuries and has bad tendancies that dont justify his length and athletisism in the 1st round. 

[r377Participant]

Skal was a hyped up high schooler who didn’t produce in college and he nearly fell to the second round.

giles was a hyped up high schooler who didn’t produce in college PLUS HE IS INJURY PRONE.

There is no way he goes in the lottery……….

[iguapops420Participant]

 On point as usual Canda. I’ve had these same issues with Giles. I’ve yet to figure out what he CAN bring to team if all the potential isn’t reached and I’m just not finding it not at the NBA level anyways. 

 

Skal’s situation is comparable, but at least he had a couple of decent games and came in with TWO legit NBA level skills. Floor spacing from midrange as a spot up OR pick and pop threat, and he was a more than capable shotblocker. Giles has no NBA ready capabilities there for I personally see a late first early second guy. Only thing is, there are a few teams like Denver and Portland I could see taking him mid first and HOPE he pans out. If not, they’ve got enough firsts and future firsts for it to go south no big deal.

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Also Skal was played as Kentuckys primary big man by Calipari. He rarely had him on the perimeter/mid range where he is now at Sacramento usually playing with Papa G, Cauley-Stein or Tolliver. He always had the shooting stroke to hang his hat on and Giles doesnt have any defenite NBA skill aside from rebounding.

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 It’s funny how some folks are negging those who are simply giving their opinions on Giles and not hyping him up like pathetic sheep. This appears to be a touchy subject for several folks here. 

Many times in life one just has to call it like it is. This is one of those times. I hope Giles can have a fulfilling NBA career but he has a TON of work to do.

Neg me if you like but you would be accomplishing jack shit by doing that lmao.

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Maybe they’re begging because if someone disagrees with you, you call them a silly goober? I could be way off though…

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 If one gets offended at "silly goober" and feels the need to neg an online stranger (whom you most likely will never meet irl), IMO you need to get off the damn internet. There are no safe spaces in life or on the internet, you silly goobers. 

I say it sometimes cause I like how it sounds. I like to have a laugh and I do not have a thick metal rod up my crack, rendering me more uptight than an old, conservative white man whenever he hears rap music and has to walk through a crowd of black teens. The old, conservative white man’s face would turn red as a beet as he shuffles awkwardly like a paraplegic penguin through the crowd of teens with skin rich in eumelanin pigments. The crowd of teens with skin rich in eumelanin pigments laugh and holler at the old, conservative white man’s penguin shuffle and laugh even harder when the old, conservative white man starts having a heart attack due to being stressed out and worried about the teens’ crime risk and "dangerous" behavior towards him. The teens take off when a nearby police officer strolls by cause people with skin rich in eumelanin pigments are many times more likely to be put in prison cause they, more often than not, are either thinking about committing a crime, looking like they commit crimes on the regular, or actually committing crimes.

Roast me if y’all want! But do so at your own risk.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Dont worry about the points it doesnt mean anything. Just post freely. Negs are a way of life. On Sundays from 6:30-6:45am I search the forum for spelling mistakes and neg anyone who spells something incorrectly. It doesnt have to be incorrect spelling its more or less if I dont like how it looks. I lose alot of points doing this and usually just end up negging myself. 

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 I could give less of a fuck about strangers clicking a red thumbs-down sign on the internet. I made that post just to point out the stupidity behind repping and negging on the internet.

I will post freely. I think it is great that you neg people for spelling mistakes. Proper spelling and grammar are essential in life and it is never good to come off as an uneducated dumbass who cannot take the time to spell shit correctly.

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I was actually just kidding but uhhh, thanks bud. 

[nill650Participant]

 define jack shit please

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 IMO the only thing y’all are accomplishing by negging me is making me laugh. Y’all just look like pathetic sheep by negging my ass lmao.

I can picture the neggers now. In this case, they see someone with a different opinion on Giles. They cannot fathom that someone would dare say that Giles COULD fall to the second round, on the internet! The neggers’ faces turn redder than my ass cheeks after I spank myself and their heart rates speed up cause of the triggering and the excitement as they pound on their key boards and respond to my comments.

 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 For someone that doesn’t care about negs, you sure do talk about negs a lot…

Ps: I didn’t neg you, you silly goober!

 

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 To point out the stupidity behind the rep and neg system. I mentioned this before.

I never said that you negged me lol. Do not make assumptions, you old diseased turtle looking ass.

 

[nill650Participant]

 get over yourself , the only reason you make light of the negs is because you have nothing but negs and it actually does bother you.

I know the feeling most of my stuff is negged as well, doesn’t make much difference.

I on the other hand like them, its like boos from the away crowd. feed the beast mf

 

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 As I have said before, I brought this up to illustrate how the rep and neg system makes no sense.

Strong projecting lmao. I could give less of a shit about negs, just because I criticized the rep and neg system does not mean that it bothers me personally. Pointing out flaws in something does not mean that it bothers you personally. I am taking into account the whole NBADraft.net community. Y’all should be thanking me.

Life goes on. Next time, think before you decide to make an assumption.

IMO sounds like you are the one who needs to get over him/herself

 

[nill650Participant]

 thanks for the advise as much as pains me to admit that I was wrong,

I confess I have been a thousand times over , in short sir, I surrender

ps; kiss my ass ,you know jack 

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 And I will show you what I can do to you babe. Spread those cheeks and I will ravage your butt so ferociously that it will hurt to poop for the next 72 hours. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Nothing, or something equivalent to nothing. Jack shit has the remarkable property that its absence and presence are identical. Typically used with or without a negative to describe a total lack of knowledge, value, or significance. Its use carries a strong negative connotation which can express frustration, disdain, ignorance, or other negative qualities.

[nill650Participant]

 that explains the hat I got for my bd , it says I know jack shit…err

[HitsterParticipant]

 Giles is towards the bottom of that glut of big men in mid to lower first round this year so even more than usual will depend on his workouts. His injury issues count against him but he probably has/had a higher ceiling than a lot of bigs in this draft area and being a Duke guy can always be seen as a positive especially if Coach K talks him up to GMs.

I’d figure Portland with all their picks will have a good look at him, Brooklyn and Toronto may do also. Atlanta wouldn’t be worse landing place for him regardless of what Millsap does, he’d have D12 to help him along there.

Worse case scenario for him I’d say is Lakers or Spurs at 28/29. Best case scenario in the draft could be Portland at 15 or possibly Miami 14.

 

 

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