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Harrison Barnes Will Be a BETTER PRO than MKG

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You do have a good point, as Barnes still can improve and has shown the abiltiy to do so, but I just think that he may lack the physical explosiveness to consistently beat his defender off the dribble in the NBA. I think NBA defenders can cut him off from going to the rim even while accounting for his jump shot.

Now, like you mentioned, Barnes does have an excellent jumper so he doesn't need to attack the basket the way that Kidd-Gilchrist does. I stand by my opinion that MKG would have scored significantly more than he did at Kentucky if he played for UNC in place of Barnes, but I will say that I don't think the opposite is true. If Barnes played for Kentucky, he would have still scored plenty by creating separation off of dribble handoffs and scoring as a spot up shooter, feasting off of the attention that Anthony Davis received down low. Barnes probably is best able to score in the half court, as MKG won't be able to manufacture layups in the way that Barnes does jump shots in the half court. In the open court it is a different story, which is why I think MKG would have don so well at UNC.

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yeah, thats the thing, I dont

yeah, thats the thing, I dont think Barnes has that explosiveness either...but he is never going to be a guy who can consistently break you down off the dribble. he needs to work on his handle, but he will be more of a two-three bounce kind of guy and get is shot off. he is a catch and shoot player who is more effective with 1-3 bounces. There is no question he can get his jumper off at a long 6'8" and a smooth release....he just may need a bounce or two sometimes to create space against guys like Lebron. He is not as versatile a scorer as Pierce or Joe Johnson because of the handle, but he makes up for it with elite jumpshooting at NBA range. His drive game will be limited but still effective if being overplayed to one side. He can get to the rack, just limited in how he can to this point. Like I said....right now he is more of Glen Rice....and thats damn good.

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Fair enough. I just think Kidd-Gilchrist may be even better for a championship contending team. It is my opinion that while Barnes is an excellent shooter, he is probably a shade under elite, being only a 72% free throw shooter and 36% 3pt shooter. Of course, he did take plenty of contested shots, but he also got plenty of open looks. Also, NBA sfs are much bigger than college sfs.

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Lets have an alternative

Lets have an alternative perspective;

Everybody seems agreed that Barnes will have 20+ ppg as I believe also. Surve is so right about Harrison Barnes' role in UNC's offense. (Roy Williams’s offense that focuses on pounding the ball into the big men) Let's say, Zeller would have 10-12 ppg in Kentucky squad.

There were 16 players who have 20+ ppg in the leage this season. Just 3 of them were SFs. Durant, James and Anthony. I just say, if you believe a SF will have 20+ ppg, you cant put him behind MKG.

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Here is what i do not get. It

Here is what i do not get. It is without question that offensivlely MKG skill wise is significantly behind Barnes. Also most agree that Barnes will be a fine defender, Mkg will be better but Barnes will do fine. If you watched the combine and saw Barnes he looked very good in all the athletic testing so I really do not think they are very far apart there.

What i do not get is its obvious that mkg has many more things to work on if he wants to become an all around elite player like say pippen was. He is not a great passer so i say there is no chance he becomes pippen, barnes isnt great either though. The work ethic thing doesn't hold water either I have already posted that both are considered very hard workers. Why would it make sense that mkg can fix multiple problems with his game but barnes will not a be able to fix far fewer problems? Its not like you are comparing trob to drummond in terms of desire.

If for example mkg improves his biggest weakness his outside shot at 19 feet by 100% he would shoot 50%. He would still need to extend his range by 3.5 feet to get to NBA range thats a lot to ask. If barnes improves his ball-handling by 100% he goes from a guy most people think without a handle scores 20 points a game. To a guy who basically would have a full offensive package, that should allow him to be 25+ppg scorer. Why is it people think that mkg is the only one out of the 2 who will get significantly better?

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Is Barnes an "elite" shooter

Is Barnes an "elite" shooter or just a good one? Examples of elite shooters are Ray Allen, Peja Stojakoic, Dale Ellis, Steve Kerr.

Also, what do you guys think about the Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson comp for Barnes?

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It is not without question

It is not without question that Barnes is significantly more offensively skilled than MKG. That's just not true. Barnes is a better shooter but MKG is a better ball handle, driver and I thought possessed better floor vision as well. Those are important offensive skills.

Here's how I see Barnes on offense: good shooter off one or two dribbles going either left or right; good spot up shooter; good postup player who for his sake was unforunately not utilized enough in the post at UNC. Where he's not strong is either dribbling or creating for others. For the life of me I can't understand how a perimeter player with a weak handle and distribution skills is called super skilled.

As for Barnes' defense, I don't see how he's elite or above average either. He wasn't that at UNC anyway. He rated as one of their weakest defenders actually. I think he possesses good strength and solid lateral quickness but he lacked overall activity. I don't see him being a difference maker on defense.

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People have to stop giving

People have to stop giving mkg skills he doesnt have. He was never considered an above average passer not in high school and not in college. He avergard 2 assists a game he is not a hog but court vision was never a strong part of his game. His handle is solid, but not a break you down type, the UK system is dribble drive which played into his ability to go to the cup hard, the fact still remains shot creation is not part of his ball-handling package. He has always played a game of a face PF majority of his points are close to the basket off put backs or in transition. He knows he shoots 20% on jump shots that is why he is always attacking the basket.

At some point he is going to be able to hit jump shots off screens, pin downs, and in transistion. That is reality whether people want to embrace that or not. He will at some point have to become at least and average shooter which is prob around 40-50% on jump shots. That is at least 100% improvement minimum.

As far as Barnes goes he is no special passer either.He does do what the NBA offence requires for his position even without a handle, he will hit shots from all over the floor providing spacing for driving lanes and post players. Barnes handle will improve just like Rudy Gay's and Paul George has. Barnes has tools to be good defender and he was far from their worst defender on team especially when he locked in.

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It's not perfect but I have also thought of that same comparison recently.

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MKG would kill and die for you on the court, he's tough inside and outside, that's a building block for winning basketball.

On the other side, barnes will produce, will put numbers, no doubt about it but i envision him as a SF "jeff green type of impact" on a young, and developping team.

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Yes, Barnes is the superior jump shooter, which is perhaps the most impotant individual attribute for a sf. And its not close. But MKG is better at most other aspects of the game, which more than makes up for the lack of jump shooting. MKG is a superior ball handler, finisher at the rim, is more adept at moving without the ball, rebounding on both ends of the floor, is the superior defender on and off the ball, and, yes, is the superior passer.

I think Barnes may be a superior offensive player in the half court, but MKG is a much better player in transition and is the superior defender. I think that is enough to make him the superior prospect, as he will likely be the more efficient overall player and is also known for his leadership.

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You can believe that MKG has this great handle just like people believed that he was this great athlete until the reality of athletic testing came out. He is an average ball-handler. Do you thin he will be able to get to the rim in the NBA like college not a chance especially without a jump shot. Teams will play him to drive, the only system he might have thrived in as a rookie is a dantoni Nash led offence where they try to run and gun. He will be a liability in any kind of set offence unless he catches in paint and even them with bigger better athletes it won't be like UK. Barnes over 2 years averaged 6 borads a game and as I said MKG plays like PF more than SF so he is inside rebounding way more than Barnes. Superior passer is aint true either 2 v1 is no big difference on top of that Barnes played with number one assists man in nation and in games without Marshall he averaged 4 assists per game. After the athletic test results I am less inclinced to believe that MKG will be a much better defender than Barnes if they both max out there potential and effort there.

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