Harden and Durant Don't Care About Dwight
Thought this was pretty funny.
"Good for them"
lol at their poker faces. is like they really don't care, when in reality......
That was awesome. Why would Harden and Durant care if the Lakers got Dwight? Should they be intimidated???? Of course not.
why would they care? because they have the lakers in their conference. you really think they're not pissed off at how the lakers manage on reload on talent time and time again to make this super team they now have to get by, just to loose to the mighty heat in the finals
what would you expect them to say other than "good for them"?...
You act as if this is some massive upgrade when in reality it isn't. Bynum is a much larger threat on Offense than Dwight, and frankly their defense isn't all that far apart either. I'm sorry but I just don't see swapping Bynum for Dwight as being some big upgrade like some people assume.
To be honest the only thing the Lakers changed that the Thunder need to watch out for is Steve Nash...not Dwight.
The only reason Dwight got the offensive numbers he did is because he was the go-to guy in Orlando, the Lakers still have Gasol & Kobe, not to mention Nash will get his shots...if you still think Dwight will go 20-10 with the Lakers then you're just straight up crazy.
"and frankly their defense isn't all that far apart either"
This is absurd...
Dwight Howard won the DPOY three years in a row and he would've won it last year had he not gotten injured (still made first team defense over Tyson Chandler last season). He's a *MASSIVE* upgrade over Andrew Bynum at the defensive end. He's a better positional defender. He's a better help defender. He's a better P&R defender. He covers more space/ground protecting the basket. He's a more CONSISTENT defender and he brings it every night regardless of how many offensive touches he receives. How many times did Bynum pout and not play defense because he didn't get the ball on offense?
And we're talking about a player in Howard, who's led the NBA in rebounds four out of the last five seasons. He's a better rebounder than Bynum, plus he's just more consistent.
And while I do think Bynum is more skilled than Howard offensively (better free-throw shooter too), Howard still gets his buckets and has shown improvement... With Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash and Pau Gasol, the Lakers don't need Howard to score 20 points.
This is a BIG upgrade because Howard does exactly what the Lakers need him to do.
I feel like you missed my point entirely and zoned in on something irrelevant. My point was & is that Dwight will not have the numbers he did in LA, some people seem to think he will and that's just not going to happen. To your point though, yes Dwight is a better overall defender, but Bynum isn't bad either. I'll agree Bynum often lacks effort however.
Again back to my point, Dwight will take a dip in points, I also believe his blocks & rebounds will dip as well and that is because he never had a legit post-mate, while Bynum almost always did.
• 16.1 PPG
• 7.7 RPG
• 0.4 BPG
• 17.4 PPG
• 10.4 RPG
• 1.4 BPG
That's a pretty big difference, not to mention Gasol is 2-3 inches taller and actually plays in the post, while Ryan prefers a more perimeter game(leaving Dwight alone in the post to do work). Then there's the fact that the other four primary starters for the Magic were all shooters, hence making it easier for Dwight to get more offensive rebounds & post points.
As far as defense? Yes again Dwight is better, but he was also the only defender on the court. Bynum had Kobe & Metta, both revered as above average perimeter defenders(not as much now days, but still), and in the post he had Gasol, while not the best post defender he isn't too shabby either. What defensive help did Dwight have? *crickets* Yeah that's what I thought. With Dwight being the only legit defensive presence of course he's going to get high defensive numbers.
Now that the tables have turned & Bynum is sort of alone in the post in Philly his numbers should rise both offensively & defensively, while Dwight who now is the fourth offensive option, and has legit defenders around him, his numbers will fall across the board.
So again to those people who think he will still put up 20-14-2 in LA, you're just quite simply crazy.
Well, let's focus on your point. I honestly don't think it matters if Howard averages 20 PPG or not, but why is it so hard to believe that he can?
Bynum averaged 13.3 FGA (in 35.2 MPG) and averaged 18.7 PPG last season. Howard averaged 13.4 FGA (in 38.3 MPG) and averaged 20.6 PPG last season.
Both players attempt the same number of shots. You could actually say Bynum attempts more shots, since he plays three less minutes. Howard averages more points on less shots. You don't think he'll come to LA and at least get his *usual* 13.4 FGA per game? While Bynum may be more skilled, Howard is more efficient. Regardless of how that ball goes in the basket, it goes in. There's a reason he's amongst the league leaders in FG% every season.
Bynum benefited from all of the easy looks he got due to playing with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol. Why won't Howard? He's a better finisher than Bynum. And playing with Steve Nash will only allow him to get even easier looks around the basket. Howard *SHOULD* average 20 PPG and easily...
Now, let's take a look at defense and rebounding. First, Howard's defense goes far beyond statistics. Serge Ibaka and Javale McGee averaged more BPG than Howard last season, but they're not even close to being the same defender. Howard is the best positional defender in basketball. He's probably the best help defender too. He may not always get the block, but how many shots does he change? How many times does he deter players from even entering the paint? Bynum is not close to being the same defender. Howard's defensive IQ is off of the charts. When Howard is on your team, you see real results in regards to paint defense.
And rebounding wise, yes... Howard's rebounding numbers could go down. OR... Gasol's could. Howard is an amazing rebounder... Period. I don't think it matters who he's playing with. He will get his 13-14 rebounds in LA. I mean, Bynum got 12 last season. Why is it so hard to believe that Howard will? He's a more consistent and focused rebounder than Bynum.
20 PPG, 58-60 FG%, 8-10 FTA, 13-14 RPG and 2-2.5 BPG is easily achievable for Howard in LA.
The Lakers lack of quickness and youth is what Hurt them against the Thunder...Lakers still havent addressed that problem....Maybe Meeks will help defend Westbrook and Ebanks had improved his game....
These guys and this Thunder team are still very confident they can beat the Lakers, and in my opinion the Thunder will win, but they have to speed it up and wear this old Lakers team out.
howard for bynum is s huge speed upgrade. more athletic SF and they'll be good in that department
'good for them' and all that goes through their mind is 'bad for us'.
that's exactly what im saying ^
I wouldn't care much either. I still have OKC coming out of the conference.
Perkins won't make it easy for Dwight, he'll probably still get his 20-10 against us but that's just less for Pau. Nash won't be able to guard Westbrook, and he might have some problems of his own if Westbrook plays pressure D like he did in the Olympics. I don't see why they should be worried, they still haven't addressed their biggest weakness: they don't have anyone who can guard Durant's shadow
Who in the NBA can defend Durant? Even against the Heat, he averaged 31, while shooting 55%. You can't defend Durant, just make it tough on him. He averaged less points against the Lakers in the playoffs, than he did against both the Spurs and the Heat.
The Lakers play Durant physical and tough. I think with Dwight Howard protecting the basket, that'll allow Ron Artest to play him a lot tougher up close.
The Lakers could've easily gone to OKC for game five up 3-1. That was a close series with Ramon Sessions/Steve Blake at point guard. Now they bring in Steve Nash, who's a 50, 40 and 90 shooter while averaging 13 points and 11 assists.
IF everyone is healthy and these two teams meet in the playoffs, it could go either way.
Why are you asses always negging that F_S guy when he says sh*t other people say that don't get negged. It's starting to annoy me.
even other people realize, smh.
thx for standing up for a brotha.
I like how ppl forget that the Lakers had Bynum not like it was Big Z out there in the paint.
OKC will keep attacking lets see how many times Howard gets called for goaltending or has to sit with foul trouble.
No one can really stop Westbrook did you see that one game in the Finals.
Durant no need to say anything his game speaks for itself and Harden is no slouch either.
You people do realize that even though the Thunder won in 5 that the roles easily could have been reversed because of a few posessions down the stretch? Lets not act like the Thunder were leagues ahead of the Lakers and now that the Lakers have upgraded with Nash and Howard, they will definitely give the Thunder more problems. I am not saying they are guarenteed to win, but the Thunder should care about this new Lakers team, especially if they start clicking and gaining some chemistry, theyll be pretty tough to beat in the playoffs.
Mitch Kupchak single-handedly checkmated the Thunder, BUT not on the court as many will see.
Everyone is always high on Perkins and his ability to defend Howard one on one in the post right, correct?
So that makes Perkins value high to OKC for the next few years because of that ability.
Keep in mind that teams started gearing up their frontline to compete with L.A. and even brought in small-ball players to run them on the fast-break and it worked.
Getting back to my point, Perkins inability in the NBA Finals to play small-ball against the Heat is what killed OKC at times. That exposure made Perkins a prime amnesty candidate because of his contract as they approach the time to secure James Harden and Serge Ibaka.
Unless they have a plan to nab someone to come in and help defend Howard, they'll have to keep Perkins and find a way to pay Harden and Ibaka.
Good luck OKC. Harden will receive a max offer from someone, which I expect OKC to match next off-season, but Ibaka may get a large offer as well, do you match?
Mitch plays some good chess.
Yeah I'm sure the Lakers got Howard in order to make the Thunder re-sign Perkins
The Thunder will be up against a stronger Lakers team in their Conference but both of those teams would still have to get past the Eastern Coference Champions to win the title so you could say if teams out East strengthen then you could make the same arguement about Western Teams being worried,