Hansbrough in the first round? Are you kidding me?
He is not even close to a first round guaranteed contract. He is way undersized for his position in the NBA and def a product of a good team, a coach who loves him, terrible officiating and love from the media. I can't wait till he's a big bust.
I can't wait to see some huge athletic guy posterize Hans&$#%#&@! in the league. But, he did lead his team to back-to-back final fours, set ridiculous records, plays hard, and has enormous name value. Most teams late in the 1st round are good enough that if he busts, it won't hurt them too badly financially or athletically. He will go somewhere between 25-30 for sure.
The spurs can use him the help upfront
Its played out, really. He's an nba player, no doubt about it. He has done everything you can do except win a championship, and if he does he is a first round lock. All the Tyler bashing really has deflated his stock a little if you ask me. Late twenties will be a steal for him, players that accomplished usually go lottery off that alone. I don't think he is that undersized, he is 6-8, 6-9 and strong. I'm not saying he is without flaw or an all-star, but there aren't many proven big men or all star types in this draft. His shot is lethal now, and I guarantee he will make himself a good 3 point shooter at the NBA level, his work ethic is unreal and will only improve once he doesnt have to focus on class anymore. He is just a safe bet, there is no doubt in my mind that he can be a functional rotational big man from day 1 for the spurs or lakers or celtics. They all have thier glue guys, the Celts have scalabrine, Spurs Matt Bonner and Robert Horry over the years, Horry for the Lakers too. In this draft, I dont see the sense in taking a risk guaranteeing a player that wont be any better than him money when you can get a reliable, hard working, and superhumanly accomplished player from probably a top 3 program. No brainer.
Hes one of the hardest working guys in this years draft, I think hes work ethic will help him a lot in the NBA . And he deserves the first round I hes a good player .
I think hansbrough will end up playing a reserve role for a good team in the nBA. maybe the spurs or cavs or someone with a late pick in the 1st round. he will be ok
How is Blake Griffin not considered undersized, but Tyler is? I would be willing to bet that Tyler is taller than Blake. Tyler has a jump shot and with work will be able to step out to 20 feet. He's expanded his game since his freshman year and will continue to get better.
Also why do people say stupid stuff like, I can't wait to see him go against Howard and Amare because he will get abused. Will I guess Tyler can join the other 99% of players getting abused by Amare and Dwight.
I like Crazy T. I think he'll be Haslem type at best maybe even a boozer. I dont think Blair is a better pro prospect then Hansbrough by a wide margin.
I wonder what drugs Reggie is on!
Reggie Miller joined the show to talk trash about the Friends of Dan NCAA Tournament brackets and the pro prospects of the top college players ...
-- Miller thinks that Tyler Hansbrough will be a better NBA player than Blake Griffin. Miller says Griffin is nowhere near 6-foot-10 and will be an undersized NBA power forward. Reggie thinks that Hansbrough will end up on a better team and be in the playoffs more often. Whereas Griffin will likely end up in Sacrament. Dan doesn't agree.
-- Miller says he'd Hasheem Thabeet over Greg Oden right now. Miller thinks the Blazers messed up taking Oden No. 1 overall and says they'd have
-- Dan and Reggie also got into an argument on the NBA MVP standings. Is it LeBron, Kobe or Wade? Reggie thinks Dwyane Wade will sneak into the No. 2 spot in the voting behind LeBron, but ahead of Kobe.
Really hard worker, he will not be a bust!! Maybe somewhat undersized, but a great defender!
Hight is not everything, why is Nate in the NBA??
Nobody said t would be and alstar sombody just list the guy at a late 20s pick and poeple just start trashin the guy thats a little overboard and the kids not mm thats for sure that is a horrible comparison and no he will not be a star but a role player he could be
First of all he is unsized.....if I would take him, I would take him 49 or beyond.......Illinois should have won in 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's never going to be anything more than an Eduardo Nejara-Mark Madsen clone, not even worth a first round guaranteed contract.
The bandwagon to hate on Hansbrough's NBA potential is about as full as the one to celebrate his collegiate career.
First, I'd say that his stats against Oklahoma make him look worse than he really is. 8 points and 6 boards (but don't forget 3 assists and 2 steals) is not all that great, but consider that he only took four shots. You might look at that and say he got dominated, but you might also conclude that he sat most of the first half with foul trouble, and by the time he got good minutes in the second half, the Heels were tearing it up from the wings and had no need to establish him in the post. His 3 assists add weight to this argument - Oklahoma kept doubling down on him, but instead of jacking up bad shots, he kicked it out to his teammates who were already in the zone. If he hadn't gotten into foul trouble so early, or if they'd really needed him to produce, I have no doubt that his numbers would've been much better. But as it was, he played the role that his team needed him to when he was in the game.
Second, I'd say that his NBA potential is much better than some people think because he's exactly what you want in a big man off the bench. He brings a lot of energy, he can score inside and outside, he can get opponents in foul trouble, and he knocks down his free throws. Plus his perimeter defense is vastly under-rated; you don't see it very often, but on several occasions this season and in the past he's gotten switched on screens and shut down much faster guards on the perimeter (see his defense against Tony Douglas of FSU earlier this year). If the match-up is right, this could earn him some minutes at SF.
The good news for Hansbrough is that by getting drafted later in the first round, he'll end up on a good team that will give him a chance to find a niche for himself. And that's all he needs. Who knows - when he isn't being double and triple teamed every night, he might turn out a lot better than even the optimists are projecting.
You need to put more post on this forum, your perspective is refreshing.
Tyler is not mark madsen or eduardo najera...so stop with the comparisons. Did either of those guys ever put up the numbers he has? were they ever considered player of the year candidates? NO!!!!! and it is not just the program he was in, or the coach he had, or the media, etc...
T is not the most athletic guy and lacks some size, but his motor is relentless and his work ethic is second to none. He did not do well against Blake, but who did this year? He doesn't make a ton of mistakes like so many bigs at the college level do. He understands the game and his limitations, and plays to his strengths. He will understand that he is a role player in the NBA, not a star, and will play his role well.
Thabeet got demolished by Blair and I don't see anyone bashing him...and Tyler has a much more well-rounded game than Hasheem. I've seen a lot more athletic, defensive centers with ideal size go bust than players like Hansbrough. I wouldn't take him in the lottery, but I would take him in the first round. He will be a solid rotation player for many years to come...deal with it!
I agree. Some of the comparisons to Tyler that I've heard are strange: Udonis Haslem, Mark Madsen, Eric Montross. I think people have this lumbering, underathletic, inside player in mind. But of all the comparisons I've heard, none of them averaged 20-10 in college or won POY. That's not to say that Tyler will average 20-10 in the pros, but that the comparisons aren't really valid. Tyler really is only 6-8, and in fact may be only 6-7. He will have to play outside much more in the pros than he has in college. And you know that he will work his hardest to develop those perimeter skills. Seth Davis of SI did note that he has seen Tyler hit those outside shots in practice, and we did see him drain those two18 footers against Louisville last year (not a fluke - you only hit those in games if you've practiced). I believe he actually right now has better perimeter skills than we know. He doesn't show them because that's not his role: the Heels don't need him to do those things. He plays inside in college mainly because he can, and he does it well (in college). So if you're going to compare him, think of someone a little more perimeter with the inside toughness (Matt Harpring?), but I don't really think there's a valid comparison.
With respect to the Oklahoma game, I find the comparisons to Blake Griffin somewhat irritating, i.e. Griffin "dominated Tyler Hansbrough". First overlooking the fact that comparisons should not be based on one game but on a whole career, a player's performance in a given game is not solely determined by the performance of the player he's "matched against" (in fact, Tyler wasn't "matched against" Blake the entire time). Other circumstances usually dictate his performance: the flow of the game, his role on the team, who on his team has the hot hand or match-up advantage, the offensive and defensive schemes of the opposing team, and how the refs are calling the game. I do believe Blake is better, but I find the analysis simplistic and annoying.
He gets 40% of his points from the foul line. He will not get any BS calls where he throws his arms in the air and gets the ball stripped from him in the NBA. So take away 40% of his points: 20ppg to 12ppg. He will not be the biggest guy around in the NBA, so he will not get as many rebounds. Take away 2-3 rpg. You are looking at a stat line of 12ppg and 5-6rpg.
Add in the fact he has zero lateral footspeed and will not be able to defend at the next level and you have Brian Cardinal. Bench player for life- and thats not what you expect out of a Naismith award winning, super hyped player who led his team to back to back final 4s.
And the game versus Griffin was huge. There are plenty of debates on these message boards about whether Griffin will be able to succeed as a potentially undersized PF... and Griffin OWNED Hansbrough. I mean it wasnt even remotely close. Tyler "deferred" to his teammates because he couldn't score against Griffin. Imagine these matchups:
Hansbrough in the paint vs:
These are the kinds of matchups he would face in the NBA. Do any of you really think he could take a single one of them? All are stronger, all are more athletic, all are bigger/heavier. He has tremendous skills, but he will simply be embarrassed in the NBA.
If Hansbrough ends up with a stat line of 12 and 6, as you predict, I'd say he's pretty well succeeded as a bench player in the NBA.
Although I agree that he won't get as many foul calls in the NBA, I DON'T agree that it's because the officiating in college is biased in his favor. Right now the guy is getting CLOCKED about a dozen times a night. Same thing Griffin has been putting up with this year. If anything, the officials are so used to him getting fouled that they are not calling fouls that they should. But this won't happen in the NBA for the simple reason that NBA defenders won't NEED to foul him. Nevertheless, he's proven that he can initiate contact and finish through it - so although he will get fouled less, he will nevertheless get fouled, and we know he can finish and knock down his FT.
As for Griffin allegedly dominating him... I don't know if you watched the same game I did, but I noticed two things: first, Griffin and Hansbrough were rarely matched up against one another. It was usually TAYLOR Griffin, not Blake, who was defending Hansbrough. Second, Blake Griffin doesn't play defense, so it's not possible for him to have dominated anybody on that side of the court (in fact, Ed Davis absolutely owned him on the three or four possessions when those two were matched up).
I hate to say it, but his numbers are the unfortunate product of biased officiating. Like I've said in previous posts, he's the byproduct of the White American media overhyping white athletes in predominately black sports. It's kind of funny, because he's become the "darling" of College Basketball, he's like Rocky, in that he's the cherished underdog. I don't think the officials are biased to him on a conscious level, but I do think that they are one of the aformentioned byproducts of being convinced by the Media that Tyler needs to be rooted for, he works hard, he's got heart, but unfortunately, he's just another great white hope (Adam Morrison). You'd think as a very highly recruited player that has spent four seasons playing at one of the most historic basketball schools, a program that probably receives millions of dollars in support from their boosters every year, that you would at least be able to hone your skills to the point where you would know those skills would guarantee your success at the pro level, especially with the numbers he's put up. The problems is, he's still can't pass worth a you know what, and he sure as hell doesn't have any kind of "real" handle right now. His career will be a mixture of garbage time, rebounds, setting screens, and occasionly getting the ball thrown to him, which will most likely lead to a missed shot or a turnover. In regards to him being undersized, I don't think he's any shorter than 6'8", the problems is, he's 24 and his shoulders still have never filled out. Believe me, he's not skinny by any means, he just has a smaller frame for a big guy. Did you watch the NC - Oklahoma game? Blake Griffin, at four years younger had at least a three or four inch difference in how wide his shoulders were to Hansbrough's. That means, when Tyler tries to throw his body into his man and bank it off the glass to get an and one in the NBA, first of all he won't get the call, second of all, his man is probably going to have either a much wider body than him and/or a much longer wingspan than him (his wingspan looks to be shorter than his height), that ball's going nowhere, but either back in his face, or streaking down the court on a fast break. Another result of having a smaller frame is that he's not going to be able to body his man up, he'll post his guy up and his man will reach around and swat the ball out of his hands. He's just not wide enough to play the post in a half court offense. His body and game look exactly like Nejara's, decent quickness and vertical, mid range ability, strong arms and hands, but not a guy you put on the block and let go to work. He'll never have that ability, but he will crash the boards and set picks. I will say though that he is a better athlete than most give him credit for, and he's got some decent quickness too, but a Najera comparison is probably best suited for him. I think it's because he plays so damn stiff and akward, he just doesn't have the fluid motions you need to succeed in basketball, that is unless your Yao Ming. His moves are extremely predictable too, and that's probably a result of not being fluid enough as well.
There's really nothing wrong being a role player off the bench really.
Even more so, I think getting a championship ring early in your NBA career doing nothing is a lot better than starting for a scrub team
he wont face boozer,bosh, and amare all the time he will face other bench players like channing frye and kurt thomas. and i think he compares to haslem and kurt thomas well. he will hit the 18 foot jumpshot, bang down low when needed, and be the ultimate team player. and think about these players that contribute right now on good teams, chuck hayes from houston, he is very undersized and athletic, louis amundson from phoenix, hustle player strictly around the rim, and sean marks from new orleans, dunks when he can has 6 fouls and rebounds decent enough. all these guys get significant minutes on good teams, if thet can make it, hansbrough can. because none of those guys were great like hansbrough in college, chuck hayes was good for kentucky. my point is, late first round picks are for creating depth not finding stars. hansbrough will be a solid player for a good team with a 9 man rotation.
ok ima jus end all this talk about whether he will be good or not. I predict hansbrough will be a good role player. As much as i hate hime the little flop shots that he throws up goes in. and i honestly believe he will a kurt thomas like player jus better offensively
im not saying he will definately be a good role player, he might not produce at all, but to say zero chance is ridiculous. he is worth the chance in the late first round.
No way you can say he has no chance, of course duke fans will cuz hes been killin em for the past four years.