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- Posted on: Fri, 01/29/2010 - 5:01am #12405
SwatLakeCityParticipantAt the beginning of the season I was really high on Greg Monroe. Mostly because of his soft hands, and his ability to rebound the ball. Then I watched him play agaist Syracuse, and I noticed that he was not very active, he just stood around and did not do much. His final line: 8 points, 4 rebounds and a block. Not what I expected. His stock has definitely gone down since that game. I understand that he was playing against a very tough orange team, but are you not supposed to rise to the competition. Monroe did not do that. Would Ed Davis be a better prospect for Utah since they have the Knicks pick.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 01/29/2010 - 5:42am #251591
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantI honestly think you need to weigh the impact of playing against a zone on a big man. The time big men really are effective against the zone is when they get on the offensive glass, because when the ball goes into the middle three men collapse on him (and in the case of Syracuse three long athletes collapsed on him). Cole Aldrich faced a similarly long athletic zone a week or so against Baylor and he didn’t have much success. Sometimes they get rewarded with easy dumpoffs when guards can penetrate into the zone, but Georgetown doesn’t have the personnel to do that. What would have been different if Ed Davis was on Georgetown. Well, he got on the glass a bit more when they played ‘Cuse in NYC, but that is about it. I still think if you were to swap Davis and Monroe for the entire season, UNC would be better off with Monroe, and Georgetown would not be in the top 25 with Davis.
There are games where skillsets expose weaknesses that will get exploited night in and night out in the NBA. I don’t believe that game was one of them because every team has zone breakers. In the NBA, they put in Kyle Korver and C.J. Miles to see if players of that ilk can shoot the defense out of it. Also, if you assess that Monroe will have the kind of impact on the game to force NBA teams to go zone, then you would be hard-pressed to make the argument that there will be five or more picks in this draft who will be better than him. Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, and Al-Farouq Aminu will not change defensive alignments in the NBA. It isn’t a game that I would worry about with regards to Monroe’s pro prospects. There is a two-year sample size that shows that against pro (not all NBA players but a list of guys who will be collecting checks for playing basketball for a long time) prospects, he can score and create against anyone in a one-on-one situation. When team go man, he knows how to find the open man. Against a good zone, he has never been that impressive. For me, that gives more pause to how deep Georgetown will go in the tournament than how good a pro Monroe will be.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 01/29/2010 - 8:49am #251629
quinceyhodgeshave you played basketball before dwill?. not ymca i mean hs college pro?. if so then you would know how much a zone can effect you if youre a big man. it can make you look worst then you are if its a 2-3.. it can also make a guard look much better because if his teammates swing the ball quick enough he can get alot of open shots. and if a team plays the 2-3 zone right, which the cuse does, then it can totally take the big man out of the game. im not sure why you would just go by this one game and decide he isnt that good. if im a team picking behind you id gladly take monroe over ed davis. monroe is much more skilled
0- Posted on: Fri, 01/29/2010 - 9:22am #251639
knicksfan7ParticipantAgreed. I think Ed Davis is very good, but Monroe is special. I would take Monroe over Davis any day, but would be satisfied with either.
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- Posted on: Fri, 01/29/2010 - 2:40pm #251717
butidonthavemoney“have you played basketball before dwill?.”
That made me laugh.
Anyway I would take Cole Aldrich and Hassan Whiteside over Monroe or Davis right now. Utah hasn’t had a reliable (big man) shot-blocker in a long time.
Aldrich just screams Jazz pick to me. He is a tough kid, he won’t whine about playing time, and he can play both post positions. Perfect fit for Jerry Sloan and the Utah Jazz. He sets big screens, protects the paint, and works hard on the glass. He is experienced, can help the Jazz now, and still has quite a bit of potential. He is a big target that takes up a lot of space down low, and is a gifted outlet passer.
Derrick Favors (Having doubts though)
Cole Aldrich
Hassan Whiteside (Still trying to figure him out)
Ed Davis
Donatas Motiejunas (Over Monroe right now)That should be Utah’s big-man priority.
Side note, Karl Malone would be asked to coach whoever we draft (kinda like Stockton coached D-Will). Favors with a year or two of Malone training might be our best option.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/30/2010 - 5:45am #251756
SwatLakeCityParticipantEven if they did play a zone, and a very good zone, and played it correctly I still would have expected more from Monroe. He may not be shooting from the outside, but he can at least battle for position down low and get the rebound. You can do that against any defense, zone, man to man, half court trap, what ever, all you have to do is fight for position, box out, and grab the rebound. I was upset at him just standing around doing absolutely nothing.
To butIdon’thavemoney-Sweet Malone asked to coach the big guy we draft this year. Stockton did an awesome job with Dwill, can’t wait to see Malone do the same to whomever we draft this year. I haven’t seen Aldrich play too much so I don’t know, but from reading your post I like what I read. I’ll be watching Aldrich from now on. For now I still like Davis.0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/30/2010 - 6:46am #251764
MkadozaParticipantdwilljazz, one thing that Syracuse’s zone has been good doing is rebounding (barring one personally forgettable game). Usually very susceptible to giving up offensive rebounds, but they definitely keyed in on Monroe. The pressured him every time he touched the ball, shutting down for the most part backdoor cuts, and letting the perimeter players take contested, deep jumpshots. After the first 5 minutes Georgetown as a whole didnt do much. Monroe was in foul trouble the whole game, and didn’t receive many touches. Its one game against a defense that does well against post players.
Also, don’t doubt really good players on Georgetown. Green and Hibbert didnt produce as much as people thought (product of the system more than anything) and both are on their way to successful NBA careers. Monroe’s got talent, probably as much as Cousins. I only question his motor, really both of theirs, but their talent is undeniable.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 01/30/2010 - 6:56am #251765
JNixonParticipantI agree with Quincey and Bothteamsplayedhard about the effective of the zone…I think that Monroe will be a good player in the NBA, somewhere between LaMarcus Aldridge and Pau Gasol..
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