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  • #65021
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    Illadelph
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    Guys, I just read a story on ESPN about the grad transfer rule.  Basically coaches are complaining about it, with some even saying that they wil "slow down the graduation process" to prevent their players from transferring.  Duke’s coach K is particularly critical of the rule.

    I don’t know about y’all but I find the coaches’ view on the rule to be hypocritical and anti-student-athlete.   On the one hand coaches complain that they can lose their best player to a transfer, but on the other hand if a mid-major coach was offerred a coaching position at a better program with higher pay and prestige, you know that he would be gone in a heartbeat.  And even if the coach turns down an offer to leave for another program, he will use that offer to leverage more money and a longer term deal with his current school.  The reality is that college ball is big business, and players have little leverage compared to every other person involved in the sport at that level.  So, to listen to these coaches whine about how unfair the rule is, strikes me as hypocritical.  What do you guys think?

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    mowesten
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     It’s not only hypocritical — it’s disgusting. I understand that there are far too many transfers in the college game, and the high school game for that matter, right now. But kids who graduate a year early and are then pursuing a graduate degree are not the ones to take your frustrations out on as a coach. 

    It’s not hurting the game, it’s helping the game achieve what it hypocritically claims it represents — the student athlete. It gives students incentive to not only be a student, but to excel at the highest level, and pursue a graduate degree. 

    Coaches are always on their high horse, and it’s typical for them to demand a standard for an 18-22 year old that they would refuse to hold themselves to … so it’s not surprising to me at all to see them take a disgusting stance that they will impede the progress of a student to deny him/her the ability to achieve in the classroom.

     

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    • #1086337
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      CDPH
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      Couldn’t agree more with this post.

      Well said.

      Deep(ish) Thoughts

       

       

        

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  • #1086339
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    SeattleSuperChronics
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     I can see both sides. 

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  • #1086345
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    Biggysmalls
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    Grad transfers have undoubtedly hurt mid-major programs. But that hasn’t really hurt college basketball from an entertainment standpoint. 

    If anything, it helps it because grad transfers provide what so many people love about professional sports: free agency. People get bored with the same players and grad transfers provide a readymade upgrade at times for teams. 

    In some cases, its a "rich get richer" situation like the one with Syracuse getting Andrew White. But a lot of times, it’s second or third tier teams getting a boost from grad transfers. The mid-majors that these kids are leaving aren’t great either. 

    You don’t see Stephen F Austin losing a bunch of kids to graduate transfer. You don’t see Wichita losing them either. If a mid-major program is successful, it’ll keep its kids. Drexel was bad and Damion Lee left. That team might’ve been .500 with him. 

    I get the high and mighty approach that people take on the subject but c’mon people. College basketball isn’t this adorable and innocent game. It’s as much a business as any other big-time sport in this country. Sometimes there are going to be some shady things. 

    Who cares if the NCAA claims it represents "the student-athletes" – only an idiot believes that. They want to make money. They do that by having entertaining basketball. Graduate transfers have helped provide entertainment. 

    If they want to do away with it, that’s fine too. The game will be fine. If they want to make graduate transfers sit out a year…I doubt many coaches are going to want to waste a scholarship for a year when they’ll get just one year of a kid who might not make a big difference. But let’s not act like this is the worst thing in the world. It’s sports, they provide entertainment. Getting all moral police on the bit just takes the fun out of it. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1086360
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    MBRH
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     I played for an upper mid major D1 team, one time our head coach asked a teammate in confidence what his career goals were. My teammate told him in his ideal world he would go pro after his redshirt junior year and if that didn’t happen he would explore the opportunity of taking a 5th year at a high major program. A few weeks later we had lost a few games and in a team meeting our coach threw that back in his face in front of everyone… "You can’t trust X (my teammates) he ain’t got your back he wants to leave, X tell them all what you told me; ect…." Meanwhile my teammate had told me that in the meeting he had with coach, coach was supportive of him. Ironically, this coach had started off at a low major and jumped to a big time school after a few good years leaving his old players behind and the double standard really puzzled me, until you remember these guys have millions on the kids not leaving. If it’s making them millions more it’s a rational business move, if it’s a kid going to a high major for more exposure and the chance to make millions more then the kid is turning his back on his family (teammates and coaches)  and is being selfish… Crazy world.  

     

    Bottom line is the majority of coaches are looking out for themselves, from top to bottom. (For the record I really liked my coach and thought he was a genuinely good person so his treatment of my teammates was all the more shocking).

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