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  • #59863
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    DondiJohn
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     Probably his last game as Bulls coach. All defense and no offense. Rotations are useless and bench is zero when it comes to him. He’s better suited as an assistant coach imo!

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  • #979994
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    I was worried No Love, No AV and Irving was hobbling. However none of that mattered the Cavs just kept winning. I grew up watching Jordan knock the Cavs out now I get to enjoy watching LBJ do the same thing to Chicago.

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    • #980004
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      Chewy
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       if there ever was a time to beat the Cavs it was now. Honestly don’t see how this Bulls core will ever be able to beat a Lebron Cavs team after this series.

      Just a frustrating series to watch from start to finish for me.

       

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    • #980164
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       if there ever was a time to beat the Cavs it was now. Honestly don’t see how this Bulls core will ever be able to beat a Lebron Cavs team after this series.

      Just a frustrating series to watch from start to finish for me.

       

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  • #980154
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    xJumpManx
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    I was worried No Love, No AV and Irving was hobbling. However none of that mattered the Cavs just kept winning. I grew up watching Jordan knock the Cavs out now I get to enjoy watching LBJ do the same thing to Chicago.

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  • #980008
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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     Cleveland was literally just tougher in this series than Chicago, which I never thought I’d say about a thibs coached team. This may have been his most talented team, but for some reason he just wasnt able to implement his philosophy with this team as he had in the past. This team just didn’t have that tough, hard-nosed, "us against the world" mentality that has allowed so many of his teams to overachieve in the past. Perhaps the conflict within the organization had something to do with it. Maybe he just wore out his welcome and his message was just beginning to fall on deaf ears. Either way, its probably time for thibs and the bulls to move on from each other.

     

     

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  • #980168
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    Dazzling Dunks and Basketball Bloopers
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     Cleveland was literally just tougher in this series than Chicago, which I never thought I’d say about a thibs coached team. This may have been his most talented team, but for some reason he just wasnt able to implement his philosophy with this team as he had in the past. This team just didn’t have that tough, hard-nosed, "us against the world" mentality that has allowed so many of his teams to overachieve in the past. Perhaps the conflict within the organization had something to do with it. Maybe he just wore out his welcome and his message was just beginning to fall on deaf ears. Either way, its probably time for thibs and the bulls to move on from each other.

     

     

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  • #980012
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    CameronCrazy11
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     As a diehard Bulls fan, I have mixed feelings about the likelihood that this was his last game as coach. I’ll always respect Coach Thibs’s ability to get the most out of his player every year but wonder if his intense style of coaching is the reason for why Chicago has had so many injuries. Going to be interesting to see what the future holds for both him and the Bulls. Rumor has it that he’s the favorite for the New Orleans job, and with his background, he could make them into an elite defensive team. The talent is there. The production just hasn’t been. As far as the Bulls, I think they’ll keep this core together for one last run at a title and start rebuilding once Pau’s contract is up. I’m kind of expecting them to part with Joakim and Taj after that too since they’d be aging and were both two of Thibs’s favorite guys. They’d still have Rose, Butler, and Mirotic going forward which is a fantastic young core. Not to mention the possibility that Doug McDermott could become a solid starter down the road. They’d still need a rim protector to balance out that line-up but should still feel good about the future. I’ve been hearing that the Bulls want Fred Hoiberg be their next guy and would be very intrigued to see what he could bring. I’ve been very impressed by what he’s done at Iowa State the past few years.

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    • #980271
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      maravich44
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      The Bulls haven’t had much success with Iowa State coaches in the past. Do you remember Tim Floyd? Jerry Krause couldn’t wait to replace Phil Jackson with his fishing buddy. How did that turn out?

      Rose will not be young in 2 years. He is already an “old 26”. Butler isn’t really a kid either. Mirotic is already 24 and McDermott went to college for 4 years, so he’s 3 years older than many rookies. Yes, the Bulls have some young talent, but we are still in a position to contend with the right tweeks. If Noah can somehow recover from the pounding he’s taken over the past few years with some time off, we have a great nucleus now. Front office and Thibs have to figure out how to work together. Not that simple, I know. But, as Dave Wannstedt said “all the pieces are in place”!

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    • #980111
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      The Bulls haven’t had much success with Iowa State coaches in the past. Do you remember Tim Floyd? Jerry Krause couldn’t wait to replace Phil Jackson with his fishing buddy. How did that turn out?

      Rose will not be young in 2 years. He is already an “old 26”. Butler isn’t really a kid either. Mirotic is already 24 and McDermott went to college for 4 years, so he’s 3 years older than many rookies. Yes, the Bulls have some young talent, but we are still in a position to contend with the right tweeks. If Noah can somehow recover from the pounding he’s taken over the past few years with some time off, we have a great nucleus now. Front office and Thibs have to figure out how to work together. Not that simple, I know. But, as Dave Wannstedt said “all the pieces are in place”!

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      • #980293
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         I agree with you for the most part. Most of my post was based off what the Bulls have done in the past/what I think they will do, not necessarily what I think they should do. I really don’t understand why the Bulls would get rid of Thibs unless they were able to find a definitely upgrade over him (not likely in the least bit) but that hasn’t stopped them in the past from making head-scratching changes. By the way, I don’t think comparing Fred Hoiberg to Tim Floyd is fair. Hoiberg had a 10 year NBA career and was in the T’Wolves front office for a few years so he knows the ins and outs of the league.

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      • #980133
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         I agree with you for the most part. Most of my post was based off what the Bulls have done in the past/what I think they will do, not necessarily what I think they should do. I really don’t understand why the Bulls would get rid of Thibs unless they were able to find a definitely upgrade over him (not likely in the least bit) but that hasn’t stopped them in the past from making head-scratching changes. By the way, I don’t think comparing Fred Hoiberg to Tim Floyd is fair. Hoiberg had a 10 year NBA career and was in the T’Wolves front office for a few years so he knows the ins and outs of the league.

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  • #980172
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    CameronCrazy11
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     As a diehard Bulls fan, I have mixed feelings about the likelihood that this was his last game as coach. I’ll always respect Coach Thibs’s ability to get the most out of his player every year but wonder if his intense style of coaching is the reason for why Chicago has had so many injuries. Going to be interesting to see what the future holds for both him and the Bulls. Rumor has it that he’s the favorite for the New Orleans job, and with his background, he could make them into an elite defensive team. The talent is there. The production just hasn’t been. As far as the Bulls, I think they’ll keep this core together for one last run at a title and start rebuilding once Pau’s contract is up. I’m kind of expecting them to part with Joakim and Taj after that too since they’d be aging and were both two of Thibs’s favorite guys. They’d still have Rose, Butler, and Mirotic going forward which is a fantastic young core. Not to mention the possibility that Doug McDermott could become a solid starter down the road. They’d still need a rim protector to balance out that line-up but should still feel good about the future. I’ve been hearing that the Bulls want Fred Hoiberg be their next guy and would be very intrigued to see what he could bring. I’ve been very impressed by what he’s done at Iowa State the past few years.

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  • #980015
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    mamadou
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     Rightfully so.

    I watched his PO resumé, that’s quite a shame, even with all the injuries since 2012…

    He finished his last 5 PO series, 1-4 against the sixers, 0-4 against the heat 2 times, 1-4 against the wizards, 1-4 against that depleted cavs group.

    He’s the exact opposite of phil jackson, 1-0 rule, 40-0, he won the 3 games 1 against lebron, it was the 1st time he saw a game 6 against him…

    What about the record at home in the PO, 3 W in their last 12 games, bucks 2 times, rose at the buzzer against the cavs, 0-3 against the wizards, 1-4 against lebron.

    Way too many 65, 69, 73 pts outings, 37 pts losses and co.

     

     Last 5 elimination games, 80 pts in 2011, 79 pts in 2012, 91 pts in 2013, 69 pts in 2014, 73 pts in 2015…come on.

     

    Now i see him successfull with a young core without superstars or high expectations, he’ll press them like oranges, except he won’t have all stars, mvp, MIP, DPOY or hall of famer like he had in chicago…

    Give him the magic, he’ll build their defensive identity, they have the pieces for it, keep the closer tobias harris in town, they’ll win their games 93-92 and they’ll reach the PO in 2017, nobody would expect a magic team to be a a title contender, a final contender or at least a LBJ contender…

    A bulls team, should really have been.

     

     

     

     

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  • #980176
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    mamadou
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     Rightfully so.

    I watched his PO resumé, that’s quite a shame, even with all the injuries since 2012…

    He finished his last 5 PO series, 1-4 against the sixers, 0-4 against the heat 2 times, 1-4 against the wizards, 1-4 against that depleted cavs group.

    He’s the exact opposite of phil jackson, 1-0 rule, 40-0, he won the 3 games 1 against lebron, it was the 1st time he saw a game 6 against him…

    What about the record at home in the PO, 3 W in their last 12 games, bucks 2 times, rose at the buzzer against the cavs, 0-3 against the wizards, 1-4 against lebron.

    Way too many 65, 69, 73 pts outings, 37 pts losses and co.

     

     Last 5 elimination games, 80 pts in 2011, 79 pts in 2012, 91 pts in 2013, 69 pts in 2014, 73 pts in 2015…come on.

     

    Now i see him successfull with a young core without superstars or high expectations, he’ll press them like oranges, except he won’t have all stars, mvp, MIP, DPOY or hall of famer like he had in chicago…

    Give him the magic, he’ll build their defensive identity, they have the pieces for it, keep the closer tobias harris in town, they’ll win their games 93-92 and they’ll reach the PO in 2017, nobody would expect a magic team to be a a title contender, a final contender or at least a LBJ contender…

    A bulls team, should really have been.

     

     

     

     

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  • #980029
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    omphalos
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     Yeah his insistence on playing starters huge minutes in regular season means the bench doesn’t really develop, which hurts in the post-season.

    The Bulls suffered without Gasol because they simply couldn’t get easy points.

    Thibs’ Bulls never felt like they had another gear to shock teams in the post-season.

    If he goes I’d like to see an offensive innovator take the helm, like Ettore Messina.

    Sad end to the Bulls season, but Noah was hobbled, Rose didn’t have his legs under him and was clearly worn out by the end.

    So it’s not doom and gloom, they got to see Rose healthy, Mirotic and McDermott, Snell can all contribute more next week and hopefully Noah can fix his nagging knee problems.

    Meanwhile, Cavs will have Lebron a year older and Love probably gone.

    Plus, Shumpert will get money on his next contract the way he’s played – seriously, did Phil Jackson just gift-wrap the East for the Cavs by giving up Shumpert and Smith for so little?

    In all, would be happy to see Thibs leave and the Bulls get a fresh start with their young guys.

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  • #980190
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     Yeah his insistence on playing starters huge minutes in regular season means the bench doesn’t really develop, which hurts in the post-season.

    The Bulls suffered without Gasol because they simply couldn’t get easy points.

    Thibs’ Bulls never felt like they had another gear to shock teams in the post-season.

    If he goes I’d like to see an offensive innovator take the helm, like Ettore Messina.

    Sad end to the Bulls season, but Noah was hobbled, Rose didn’t have his legs under him and was clearly worn out by the end.

    So it’s not doom and gloom, they got to see Rose healthy, Mirotic and McDermott, Snell can all contribute more next week and hopefully Noah can fix his nagging knee problems.

    Meanwhile, Cavs will have Lebron a year older and Love probably gone.

    Plus, Shumpert will get money on his next contract the way he’s played – seriously, did Phil Jackson just gift-wrap the East for the Cavs by giving up Shumpert and Smith for so little?

    In all, would be happy to see Thibs leave and the Bulls get a fresh start with their young guys.

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  • #980053
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    OhCanada-
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     To be fair Thibs did get out coached in this series by Blatt and his players got outworked. Ive been standing up for Thibs but why in hell is he still playing Hinrich. I mean what is the thought process behind keeping this guy on the floor. He is a pylon, non existent defender, he’s not hitting open shots, not looking for shots, not creating shots for his teammates I have no clue why he was playing. Kirk used to be one of my favourite players back in the Scott Skiles days. I even have his rookies cards and a poster of him at my Moms house. Its one thing to have him as an on the court coach in practices and in the locker room but there comes a time where you gotta sit the guy getting crushed.

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  • #980214
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    OhCanada-
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     To be fair Thibs did get out coached in this series by Blatt and his players got outworked. Ive been standing up for Thibs but why in hell is he still playing Hinrich. I mean what is the thought process behind keeping this guy on the floor. He is a pylon, non existent defender, he’s not hitting open shots, not looking for shots, not creating shots for his teammates I have no clue why he was playing. Kirk used to be one of my favourite players back in the Scott Skiles days. I even have his rookies cards and a poster of him at my Moms house. Its one thing to have him as an on the court coach in practices and in the locker room but there comes a time where you gotta sit the guy getting crushed.

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  • #980242
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    sitlbito
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     I think he’s a good coach,but it’s time to move on for both Thibodeau and the franchise. Not playing Snell and Mirotic more really hurt them. Mirotic struggled in the PO,but wasn’t it due to the fact he didn’t play enough in the regular season? Snellcould have guarded LeBron more I think in this series,and the whole team was absolutly gassed. I would love to see Messina there,considering that,I think,he won’t leave the spurs to coach a rebuilding team,but go to a good organisation whith a contending team. 

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  • #980081
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    sitlbito
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     I think he’s a good coach,but it’s time to move on for both Thibodeau and the franchise. Not playing Snell and Mirotic more really hurt them. Mirotic struggled in the PO,but wasn’t it due to the fact he didn’t play enough in the regular season? Snellcould have guarded LeBron more I think in this series,and the whole team was absolutly gassed. I would love to see Messina there,considering that,I think,he won’t leave the spurs to coach a rebuilding team,but go to a good organisation whith a contending team. 

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    • #980341
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      Snell can’t gaurd Lebron consistently. Maybe if James is tired and at the end of his shift but Lebron would figure him out regardlessly. Butler and Chicago did a great job on Lebron your not gonna get much better coverage on him then that. In my opinion they lost on help rotations at the rim and defensive rebounding/second chance opportunities. Cleveland out grinded them and Thompson, Shumpert, and Delladpva tenacious.

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    • #980181
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      Snell can’t gaurd Lebron consistently. Maybe if James is tired and at the end of his shift but Lebron would figure him out regardlessly. Butler and Chicago did a great job on Lebron your not gonna get much better coverage on him then that. In my opinion they lost on help rotations at the rim and defensive rebounding/second chance opportunities. Cleveland out grinded them and Thompson, Shumpert, and Delladpva tenacious.

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  • #980287
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    The Bulls quit last night, plain and simple. To get embarrassed at home to close out a playoff series pretty much put the nail in the coffin for Thib’s time in Chicago.

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  • #980127
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    The Bulls quit last night, plain and simple. To get embarrassed at home to close out a playoff series pretty much put the nail in the coffin for Thib’s time in Chicago.

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  • #980297
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     Thibs has always been highly rated by me as a coach but I agree Blatt did out think him in the play offs. Thibs is an excellent regular season coach and to be fair in all his play off runs he has only had D-Rose at his peak once.

    Thibs kind of reminds me of a slightly poor man’s Larry Brown with his defensive mantra and reliance on his starters.

    The Bulls have a big decision to make but would they be prepared to pay off Thibs to the tune of $9 million over the next two years knowing he will likely walk into a rival job. They would then have the cost of hiring say Fred Hoiberg, paying compensation to his current college team. Possible replacement, pay off and hiring of assistants etc. You are suddenly looking at a $20 million plus bill over the next few years. For a team who don’t really like paying luxury tax then it’s a hefty bill to foot.

    Thibs if he did part company with the Bulls I agree would be a good fit at the Magic and with a young core would drill them with defence. Other jobs may well open up for him or he could decide at worse to take a bit of time off and see what other opportunities open up, given he has the comfort of a hefty pay off. Also we don’t know what the terms of any pay off would be, I’ve heard of people who teams move on effectively not looking for another job as once they got one, the paymens from the fomer role stop. Hence often coaches look for a settlement to get a clean break to move onto the next job, others are quite happy to be on "gardening leave" or do media work etc.

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #980137
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     Thibs has always been highly rated by me as a coach but I agree Blatt did out think him in the play offs. Thibs is an excellent regular season coach and to be fair in all his play off runs he has only had D-Rose at his peak once.

    Thibs kind of reminds me of a slightly poor man’s Larry Brown with his defensive mantra and reliance on his starters.

    The Bulls have a big decision to make but would they be prepared to pay off Thibs to the tune of $9 million over the next two years knowing he will likely walk into a rival job. They would then have the cost of hiring say Fred Hoiberg, paying compensation to his current college team. Possible replacement, pay off and hiring of assistants etc. You are suddenly looking at a $20 million plus bill over the next few years. For a team who don’t really like paying luxury tax then it’s a hefty bill to foot.

    Thibs if he did part company with the Bulls I agree would be a good fit at the Magic and with a young core would drill them with defence. Other jobs may well open up for him or he could decide at worse to take a bit of time off and see what other opportunities open up, given he has the comfort of a hefty pay off. Also we don’t know what the terms of any pay off would be, I’ve heard of people who teams move on effectively not looking for another job as once they got one, the paymens from the fomer role stop. Hence often coaches look for a settlement to get a clean break to move onto the next job, others are quite happy to be on "gardening leave" or do media work etc.

     

     

     

     

     

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