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Good God I feel sorry for the T-Wolves

Such a talented team, (top 6 in west in terms of talent) and they are losing games because of injuries. We as fans are being robbed of watching a really good team.


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yea, Kirilenko is having a

yea, Kirilenko is having a great game, he had 26 and 11 on 9 of 12 shooting. 5 of our 6 best players are hurt. If you took the top 3 players off any they would have a lot of trouble. I am surprised that the wolves are even competing at this point. I have rooted for the timberwolves for my whole life and it is tough to see this happen after 7 years of being terrible, when we have the chance to do something, this happens.

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That

That would be interesting to see, if you took the top three players off each team and watch them compete. Thats where good coaching would really show.

It was a great game tonight, good shot by Kemba. Wish it would have rimmed out, but crap. Free throws was the killer for the Wolves. AK continued his All Star season, and that was a serious Block Party going on tonight, 12 for CHA and 11 for MN. If AK block thn dunk isn't on the top ten I'm calling shenanigans. And thank you Reggie Williams for letting us relive Chris Webber's time out. Didn't wanna rip on him, but C'MON MAN.

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Down by 14 with 4 minutes

Down by 14 with 4 minutes left and we come back and tie it up missing Love, Rubio, Roy, Barea, Pekovic, Budinger, and even Malcom Lee. Then Kemba decided to be a jerk. Kirilenko looks to be just as good as he ever was. When/If we ever get healthy we are going to be a great team.

PG: Rubio

SG: Roy/Budinger/Shved

SF: Kirilenko

PF: Love

C: Pekovic

I dont care if I sound like a homer, that team can compete with anyone.

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Well, first everyone needs to

Well, first everyone needs to understand that after Love, AK47 is the best guy on the team. He might be injury prone, but if he is healthy, he is better than Pekovic. So don't compare this team to other teams that have lost their top three players, because that hasn't happened to this team, yet. AK is holding down the fort.

Pekovic is the third best guy on the team. And that ankle sprain won't keep him out for long.

Rubio is good, but Ridnour is a fine PG as well. It is an upgrade when Rubio comes back (if he is up to full speed), but team can win lots of games with Ridnour, AK, Love and Pekovic.

Roy/Shved are wild cards. Sample size too small. Up and down too large. Sometimes Roy litteraly can't take the court. Sometimes Shved takes wild shots.

D Williams is also wild card. He could still develop and he could also be used correctly. He could also be used incorrectly.

Buddinger is a legit starting SF. Nothing to see here, unless you were playing Beasley at SF last season. In which case, seeing shots repeatedly go in the basket from your SF might be surprsing to you.

I think the Wolves can bounce back from this. If they make it to Love as a 500 team, they will be sitting pretty. Throwing a 25 and 12 guy onto a 500 team is kind of scary, aint it?

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TallmanNYC- Rubio is the

TallmanNYC- Rubio is the second best player on the T'Wolves. Some might even say that he is more important to the teams long term success than Kevin Love. When he went down last year, our season went down the drain. Kirilenko is playing at an all-star level right now and he looks like his old self. I think going back home to Russia and playing in the Euro-league helped his body and confidence tremendously Also, Shved has been an awesome pick up for us. He can play out of control at times (tends to rely on the jump pass far too much) but he also is fearless with the ball and not afraid to have the ball in his hands when it matters.

I agree with Churchboy, all these freak injuries are driving me nuts, but I am hoping Adelman can keep the ship afloat until everyone comes back to full strength. Even with the misfortune of these injuries, the resilience of this team is fun to watch.

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I just disagree. And it isn't

I just disagree. And it isn't because Rubio isn't good. He certainly is. But AK47, playing at this level, is just better.

Also Rubio isn't more important for the teams success this year because you have Ridnour and competent shooting guards like Roy and, apparently, Shved. So you have a legit NBA PG (which you had last year) on the team already and legit 2Gs, which you didn't have last year. Last season Rubio's main importance to the team was that he was not Wesley Johnson or Malcom Lee and when healthy he cut into those guy's minutes. Malcom Lee is a little better in his second year, so it isn't as important to keep him off the court. And Wes is gone. Rubio's going to help, but he is probably just going to cut into Ridnour, Shved and JJ's minutes when Rubio comes back. You won't get that much of a bounce.

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Rubio is a better PG than

Rubio is a better PG than Ridnour and Barea combined and then some.

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We already established last

We already established last season why Rubio is the T-Wolves most important player.

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How times have changes in

How times have changes in minny, the are collecting talent and have good coaching.

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Tallman- what on earth are

Tallman- what on earth are you talking about?

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I dont think he even knows

I dont think he even knows

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What I mean is part of

What I mean is part of Rubio's importance to the team last year was that he was a competent NBA basketball player. The Wolves main problem was they had a few guys who were really bad. They had two great big guys in Love and Pek and then just terrible wing play. In order to keep the really bad guys off the court, Adelman was forced to play both Ridnour and Rubio at the same time. Both guys are clearly point guards and the normal thing would be to start one and then bring in the other and maybe have them overlap a little. But since the other options at guard were so bad, the Wolves played them both together. Basically Rubio kept a really bad player off the court, be it Wesly Johnson, Wayne Ellington, Malcom Lee, Martell Webster and (to a lesser extent) JJ Barea. Or it meant Wesly Johnson played at SF, which got Beasely off the court. When Rubio went down, there was no competent guard/wing player left on the team that could fill the minutes. Considering the Wolves were also playing Darko and Beasely significant minutes, there was just no way that even Love and Pek could keep the team afloat.

There was all this talk at the time that Rubio went down that his special passing ability was crucial for the Wolve's offense. And that this what created Pek's ability to score, for example. But Pek and Love continued to score after Rubio's injury and Pek is scoring fine this year.

Rubio's fun to watch and he has potential. But his shooting is so bad I can't really say that he is much more than a good player. I think Love, Pek and AK47 are each better than him at this point.

Question for you: if you have Ridnour, Rubio, Shved, Roy and Barea available and fully healthy, what is your basic main lineup? I assume you believe Rubio is the clear starter among those five so you want him to play 36+ minutes. Are we back to Rubio starting at 2G so you can get Ridnour on the court to space the court with 3P shooting? Are you benching Ridnour and Roy to go big Rubio and Shved (but have poor 3P shooting)? How do you get JJ Barea on the court? That pushes Rubio to guard 2Gs again, right?

There is just a lot more talent on the Wolves this year and so it become harder to make an impact because when you play a guy you have to sit another guy. That's my basic point.

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Yes you play Rubio 36+

Yes you play Rubio 36+ minutes a night. It is no secret that the Wolves will most likely ship Ridnour once Rubio is back to 100% or close to it. Luke is a valuable commodity for other teams needing a steady backup and the Wolves will not need him anymore because he would just be sitting on the bench behind Ricky. They would prefer to keep him over JJ as their backup pg, but he has a better contract than Barea making it easier for the Wolves to trade him.

I don't think that you watched any of the Wolves games last year or much of them this year. If you did, you would see how special of a player Ricky is. He made guys like Anthony Randolph look like all-stars for stretches of games last season. Imagine what he would do with this team. If AK were playing with him right now, he would get at least 5 easy buckets a game just by beating his guy up the floor. Ricky has his head up all the time. He may not be the shooter that Ridnour is, but he is a much, much better defender and his basketball instincts are second to none. Defenses still have to account for him and game plan for him because he is always going to find the open man. Guys like LeBron, DWade and Durant were tweeting at Ricky when he went down with his knee injury. Those guys are All-NBA players and they don't throw that praise out for anybody. Like Nbanflguy said, Rubio is a much better PG than Ridnour and JJ. It doesn't hurt sitting the other guy when the guy playing in front of him is a better basketball player.

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Hey, I'm not arguing that

Hey, I'm not arguing that Rubio isn't good or even that he isn't better than Ridnour. I agree with you that he is. I'm just saying it isn't an epic jump from Ridnour to Rubio. Rubio is a way better passer and defender, but Ridnour is the much better shooter. I'd take Rubio. But Ridnour has always struck me as a perfectly fine starting PG. You get better when you replace good with great. But it isn't the same thing as replacing terrible with great.

If Wolves can get quality from a Ridnour trade, they should do it. But he has been a good consistent guard for the Wolves, so I wouldn't trade him for cheap. There are a lot of positions on the Wolves where they don't need any help at all, they just need time on the court together. So a trade wouldn't help. And I'd rather give minutes to Ridnour than JJ Barea. And we still don't know if Roy can make it through the season at an effective level.

I'm sure I didn't catch as many Wolves games as you, but I caught a good number last year. And a few this year. But this year, New York has Knicks and Nets to watch, and Houston is my go to League Pass team. Only so much time in the day. Wolves will bump up on the League Pass ranking once either Rubior or Love is back. The future is bright for this squad. Should have been a 50 win team if Love hadn't gotten hurt. Might still win 50 since Shved is better than anyone could have guessed and AK is damn near elite.

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