Seems like a lot of people people are on the Gobert hype train, if Hayward leaves to the celtcis or somewhere else can you build your team around Gobert and make him the guy? He seems limited on offense
He is an amazing defensive anchor, I don't ever see him being a true two way player and a regular 20/10 player but he can work at his game and become a Marc Gasol type scorer going forward. Marc kicked on from around 14ppg which is what Rudy averaged this year and reached 19.5ppg this year.
Marc has developed a legit 3 point range this season and if Rudy could do that I don't know, but with work Rudy can certainly push his offensive contribution on. He upped it by nearly 5ppg this year alone.
Marc Gasol is a horrible offensive comparison for Rudy Gobert, in terms of style and impact offensively, Rudy can become Andre Drummond with better free throw shooting and shot-selection (Drummond averaged almost 17 ppg last year). But Gasol is a guy who creates offense for himself and others, one of the best offensive bigs in the whole league. Rudy has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he will ever be on that level offensively.
Similar to Drummond, Rudy Gobert probably can't really lead a team, he needs another all-star next to him who can make something happen offensively coupled with some good shooters.
wont be the same level shooter Gasol is, He has those long arms and huge hands that build doesnt usually produce guys who can shoot the bal he needs to muscle up and he will be a beast down low on both ends no just on the defensive end.
To expect gobert to develop into a bonafide number one go to offensive option is probably unrealistic. I just don't think he has that type of feel or skill set. There are some subtle nuances of the game that he can improve upon on that end, but I'm just not sure how much further you can really stretch his game without it taking away from what he does best. I don't see him as a guy that will ever create his own offense really. I think he can be this generations dikembe, who was competent on the offensive end but decidedly limited and never elite. His real impact will always come on the defensive side of the ball and that it is fine because he makes such a substantial impact on that end. You will always need to surround him with more offensive minded players that can shoulder more of the load on that end.
I dont understand what this threads about. The Jazz already are built around Rudy Gobert. They are a defensive team and Gobert is thier vocal and emotional leader as well as best defender, a top 3-5 defender in the league behind onky Dray Green and Kawhi Leonard in my opinion.
Hayward is a good weapon and great all around player but the Jazz would still thrive without him. This team would crumble without Gobert. And despite the shooting touch Gobert is alot like Gasol offensively. The way he passes the ball, his developing footwork, what he does to create lanes for teammates off the ball and setting screens and picks he really is a master of the game and one of the smartest players in the league. Hes not just some raw defensive player with length anymore and despite what the media says you dont need to be able to hit the 3 to be an effective offensive player.
How many times do I have to say it, HAYWARD IS NOT LEAVING. He is not the type of player that will leave. He wants to win, and that's what Utah is doing. He is a calm, even keel guy that does not need that superdiva drama show of will I leave or not. Yes, the chance to play for his old college coach is appealing, but he is past that. If anybody will leave from Utah it is George Hill. But only because the Jazz won't have enough money to keep him and re-signing G-Time.
As for a Gobert comparison, I don't think there is current player in today's NBA you can compare him to. He is a defensive achor, who can also give you about 15-20pts per game while also getting his 15-20 boards and 3-4 blocks. I don't if you can build a team around him or not. He's not Drummond or Dwight. I've heard of a comparison from Utah comparing him to Bill Russell, but I don't know if I can agree with that. (I was not around when Russell was playing. So I am just repeating what I've heard.) But I do believe that you have to compare Gobert to an older NBA player, because he plays an older man's game.
You say he "wants to win" well that exactly what his old college coach is doing up in Boston despite a flawed roster with one of it's biggest weaknesses being wing scoring, what just so happens to fo be Haywards niche. & if we're being he honest about "winning" he's got a better shot of getting to the conference finals every year in the East rather then the gauntlet out west.
Also you have to remember Utah had it's way in their division this year with Portland being the youngest team in the league, OKC adjusting to year 1 without Durant, the Wolves transitioning to Thibs & Denver didn't hit their until they after emancipated Jokic around what mid January. One has to assume all those teams will be a notch better in 2018.
Not saying he is leaving Utah but he did sign an offer sheet with Charlotte a couple years back. I know he's made comments saying he wants to be in Utah long term since then but he has entertained leaving before.
Hayward is leaving, you know it, I know it, and the Jazz know it. He's going to the C's to play for Stevens or Back home to Indy. Also where ever he goes Shelvin Mack will go aswell. Mack leaves for Indy or Celtics my guess is Indy because he can take that spot from Jeff T. and Indy is the closest city to Lexington.
He's built like Wilt.
When I was talking about Marc Gasol, I was talking statistically wise not in a skillset sense. Plus Marc was older than Gobert is now before he came to the NBA and has developed his game in recent years.