Is Gilbert Arenas Done?
First he was amnestied by the Magic
Then no team claimed him...
Now, hes struggling to find a team to sign him..
So, whats the deal? Are teams afraid of the distraction he might bring? He did well with the Wizards for the first quarter of the season, but when he get traded to the Magic, he was pretty terrible. Is he more of a risk than reward? Has he become the new Allen Iverson, in the sense that hes a talnted player that teams would shy away from because of his distraction factor? Or is he just washed up?
I think it's less about the distaction factor more really he loss his game from his legs. He is pretty much a shooter now nothing more. It's ashame if his legs wouldnt gotten hit.
Gilbert Arenas can still play, he was averaging 16PPG 5APG last season for the Wizards (before being traded to Orlando). Right now he is being "blackballed" due to his immaturity, the guy is 30 years old and still carries himself like a 17 year old. If an out of shape and injured Baron Davis can find a job and Arenas can't; then you know that's how bad it is for Arenas.
The issue is that he's clearly a headcase, in the Rodman-Artest mold.
If I was the Heat or Lakers I'd give him a shot. (if you're giving out second chances to Eddy Curry...). Every other team has a decent PG, or is in rebuilding mode.
I know the Hornets are in rebuilding mode, but I think Arenas would be a good fit there. He'd get plenty of minutes (not sure how he could handle them), as well as plenty of shots.
The Lakers might be in a good position to gamble on Gil, considering the veteran leadership they have in Kobe, Fish, and Gasol. I think he has a lot left honestly. He may can't get you 60, but if you need some scoring and high character then go ahead.
Hard to find a place where he fits. I agree with Hornets though. You dont want him somewhere where they have young guards and take a chance of him being a distraction. Then on other teams, physically (his limitations) and style wise it has to be a fit. I thought about Atlanta because they lose all that scoring in the backcourt from the Crawford departure, he would be a good backup for Teague and I think would play well along side Heinrich. The Hawks just dont need him though because they will give a lot of minutes to T-Mac. I'll tell you this though, Arenas is still a much better player than Bibby....thats who's spot he should have.
to see the Celtics bring him in on a situation to ee if he could help with bench scoring. If he does not help there then cut him.
He isn't done yet. He will land somewhere. I am still surprised no team has decided to offer him something yet. Maybe they have though because he did have a very small list of teams he wanted to play for.
Arenas looked lost in Orlando,it seemed that they were giving him the minutes when he 1st got there..But after a couple of games he got alot of dnps...
But i think the Lakers should give him a shot..(sorry about the pun).
Becuz they lack scoring punch off the bench and maybe going home to LA, might motivate him...There are several teams that could use his services or at least see what he has to offer...
I think it is the same as AI. He has back up level physical skills but expects to start and to be a big part of the offense when he is on the court. If he tried to tone down his game and become a facilitator, maybe he could play. But no one trusts him to do that.
I like the Atlanta call though as a replacement for Crawford. Seems like second unit had room for a gunner.
He's not all the way done from a playing standpoint, yet, but his immaturity and his legs leaving him have made him way less effective and he's on a rapid decline. His knees are probably only a notch or so better than what Brandon Roy's are.
Hard to believe that he'd be done if he were willing to sign for the veteran's minimum, it's just a matter of whether his ego will allow that, and how desperate he is to play ball.
Phoenix might be a good place to use as a temporary home while the go through the motions of trying to be competitive with Nash still there. The training staff would help him physically and with Brooks in China they are a little light on the guard front.
Played well in Washington last year? Shooting the ball almost 16 times a game and making 6 isnt playing well. Its chucking.
With as many headaches as this guy could potentially bring and a fg% sub .400, I dont think its all that surprising that teams arent fighting for his services. Someone will give him a chance but quickly realize that a high volume chucker that lost a lot of his athleticism isnt all that effective in limited minutes off the bench.
Other than most people, I still think the guy can play. Albeit on poor efficiency, he was still putting up solid numbers in Washington before he was traded, and had some big scoring games.
I'm no cap expert, but I think ORL pulled the trigger too quickly on Arenas. They could've waited until next year to amnesty him, because they didn't really sign anybody noteworthy this offseason. And Jameer is an average PG with mediocre court vision. Why not see if Arenas could've done better? Arenas is a better playmaker than Meer, and is a better player when healthy. Dwight Howard was even upset when he found out Gil was amnestied.
But supposedly in better shape this season, so if he can regain at least of hint of his quickness, and recover his shooting touch, then he can play a valuable role for a contender.
Arenas is lazy and has had poor work ethic since his knee injury. There's no way a MCL tear should've affected him to this extent. I mean, this isn't the 70's or 80's anymore... You can make a full recovery from a ligament tear, especially if you're under 30.
^^No, he actually rushed back from every surgery. That's why he never fully recovered. Even after the first two suregeries, he looked as quick as ever, and still looked like he could drop 30, but after the 3rd surgery, then it really started going downhill.
He's the opposite of "poor work ethic". Dude was a gymrat. The Wizards didn't properly look over the rehab from what I believe. There was a WPost article where Gil was doing sprints with a parachute trailing behind him. Talking about HIS theory that he had to just push through all the knee pain until it went away. What kind of dysfunctional management lets that happen? Saying he has a poor work ethic couldn't be anymore false.
Arenas hasn't been better then Nelson in a few years since Nelson made the All Star game a few years back and Arenas was always getting hurt or suspended for the year. Jameer Nelson is a waaaay better shooter then Arenas at this point in their careers. Arenas is a volume shooter who shoots like 42% for his career. Meer Meer is an efficient scorer who shoots around 47% and the past couple of years has been hitting for over 40% of his threes.
The problem with Arenas is he was never a good defender and always a gunner, so you take away athleticism and that becomes a bad formula. The Magic tried turning him into an efficient scorer off the bench but it didn't work I don't think he knows how to take good shots. He would have games where he was like 1-6 but on a bad team where he's allowed to gun he could turn that 1-6 into a 7-18 performance but I doubt any team is going to sign him to take 18 shots a game.
He will get a chance eventually tho as the this season condensed season is going to cause a lot of injuries. I could see the Knicks chancing on him.
Arenas does have an amazing work ethic and does sleep in the gym so you can never count thoses guys out.
What the hell are the Lakers waiting for? He is a clear upgrade over Fisher and Blake, and maybe seeing a guy like Kobe getting it done might motivate him to do the same. He won't be as dominant as he was in his Wash days, but 14 and 6 is still decent, and somthing a team like the Lakers and Heat need.
Even Otis Smith said he thought Arenas got weaker in the lower body and needed to do a better job doing physical therapy on the knee. His muscles around the knee are weak.
There's no way a MCL tear should've limited him this much. He's stopped working on it.
He has talent but he also has a lot of character issues, AI could not find a team a while back and whilst he was about 35 then, we were talking about AI a 26.7ppg career player! Arenas spent a while on the bench for Orlando last year and I did not hear anything about him demanding to start.
He does need to be on a contender with a strong locker room not a young lottery team where he could be a negative factor. The Celtics took Starbury a couple of years ago so they might look at Arenas, the Knicks already have two veteran former top PGs so I cannot see them taking a third, Miami might look at him and he is probably based in that area and the Lakers could be an option. But Arenas and Artest/Peace on the same team could be rather negative if the team leaders like Kobe and Fisher cannot keep a stable locker room.
Hopefully someone at least has him in for training to see what his game is like as we know the guy prides himself on his gym work and another 7 months on from his last NBA game, his ongoing injuries have had time to recuperate more. But he has got $60 plus million due or paid up to him to soften the blow!
Gilbert Arenas is not a better basketball player then Steve Blake right now. Just because somebody can score more points does not mean he is a better basketball player. Steve Blake has always been a better defender by a wide margin, and Blake has turned himself into a very good outside shooter and is a better passer then Gil. Steve Blake shoots nearly 40% from 3 for his career and should easily average over 40% this year judging off how hot he looks in the preseason.
When Steve Blake isn't dancing on stage in the background he's somewhere guarding both guard positions and hitting 3's. The Lakers could take a gamble on Gilbert and hope he can fill in the role Shannon Brown played last year but not as their starting PG.
And Gilbert Arenas is not a bad guy who don't come with the type of baggage people think. Arenas is extremely eccentric but he's a good sincere person. Theres a difference between somebody like Arenas who is unpredictable and emotion in more pure crazy way then Artest who has crazy anger problems and Beasley whose only downfall really is that he likes to smoke weed.
this is a great thread, a lot of mixed opinions about G.A.
I will say that the perception of him being a bad guy is overstated as mentioned above. He has great work ethic and determination. I will say again though....not many have lost as much as Bibby has in my eyes. If the Knicks picked him up why not get Arenas? Arenas isnt much of a defender but he can still score, Bibby cant do either! People say Bibby still shot the 3 well for Miami, but I dont think he did when it mattered most.
The difference right now is some of these guys will take any job and I dont think Gil is prepared or willing to do that.
i think he's in the same boat as AI was, situation of a player that once was good enough to be a main guy but lost couple of steps and didn't succeed to learn how to take minor role and be effective with it, might be too much ego, not much smart... those stories only make me appreciate even more guys like Grant Hill and Antonio McDyess!
Arenas and MWP (Artest) on the same team? With a pushover coach like Brown? That has disaster written all over it. Maybe the Celtics could use his scoring off the bench AND keep him in check emotionally. He needs a strong coach and/or lockerroom.
The Lakers need bench scoring and depth at the PG.
Gilbert Arenas can play back-up shooting/point guard and average 10-15ppg.
It seems too perfect to not try it. If Lamar Odom was still there, they would probably take their chance but with so much distorted chemsitry and not enough leadership (Lamar Odom was the leader of the 2nd team) it seems as if they won't gamble.