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Gilbert Arenas and Joe Johnson

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Gilbert Arenas and Joe Johnson

This may be rather unintelligent, and I may get points subtracted, but here goes...

Joe Johnson is almost certainly on his way out of Atlanta...there's almost no chance that management wants him back, or that he wants to be back...he gets a better deal (more years and more money) if they can pull off a sign and trade, and Atlanta would be happy if it could get a good player/players back in return for him, so a sign and trade would be better off for everybody.

In terms of a sign and trade, Atlanta could make a deal with Washington for Arenas; Washington is going to draft Wall in the lottery, which leaves Gilbert either playing the 2, or on his way out. Gilbert's undersized for the 2, and needs the ball in his hands to be effective, so I don't know how well he can play with Wall. Johnson would be perfect for this team in terms of an SG; he can guard the other 2s, and can play off the ball or on the ball.

There are several reasons why this can't/won't happen; Washington has cap room, and can try to sign Johnson outright, and Atlanta might not want to take on Gilbert's really, really bad contract. Atlanta also already has Mike Bibby manning the point. But Bibby's getting old, doesn't play defense, and Teague could use some more experience; Arenas is an upgrade over Bibby in any situation, and I think he could mesh well with Atlanta.

Bibby would then be expendable; he could be traded to the Pacers (who need a PG) for expiring contracts or young talent. The Pacers would then be free to use the 10th pick on something other than a PG. Again, the Pacers may not want to do this deal; they're looking at a lot of cap space in 2011, when Dunleavy, Murphy, and several other players come off the books, so if they do want to make a big free agent splash in 2011, Bibby wouldn't be a good fit. But Bibby is an upgrade for them at the 1; if he only costs them, say, Jeff Foster, then it isn't necessarily an awful deal.


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mike bibby= done bulls

mike bibby= done bulls should sign joe johnson

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Signing Joe Johnson

It depends on what Joe Johnson wants and what the Hawks could get. Johnson chooses which teams he wants the sign and trade for, because he's an unrestricted free agent; because Johnson does seem like the type to want more money and more years, he would want a sign and trade to happen. The Bulls could offer Luol Deng and filler, but I find it difficult to believe that the Hawks would want to take on Deng's massive contract; he does, after all, play the same position as Marvin Williams (who is young and still has potential).

Both Washington and Chicago have bright futures; both teams have top-flight point guards in Wall and Rose, so Johnson wouldn't even have to be the go to guy on either team. In terms of what they get in return, though, Washington-Atlanta seems like a better idea, since Gilbert Arenas both fits a need and is a better player than Deng.

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Mike Bibby

As for Mike Bibby, he was an afterthought; he would be an overpaid backup for two years if this trade happened, and I was just trying to figure out a team that could take him. Given that there are few PGs in free agency this year, few PGs in the draft, and that Indiana desperately needs a PG but doesn't want to reach for Bledsoe, it's a possibility that Bibby would be considered if Indiana didn't really have to give up much for him.

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ORL

Bibby to Magic for there trade exception

good vetran presence for them off the bench

Nelson - Vinsanity - Barnes/Pietrus - Lewis - D12
Bibby - Reddick - Barnes/Pietrus - Anderson/Bass - Gortat

Orlando then drafts Lance Stephenson to replace Vince when his contract is off the bookd

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Bibby to the Magic

Bibby to the Magic for their trade exception + first/second round pick? That makes a little more sense. Of course, they wouldn't trade Bibby if they don't trade for Arenas.

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Pacers fan here

Thanks, but no thanks on Bibby. I'd rather save our money and wait until next summer.

Bibby was one of my favorite players at Arizona, but he's old and expensive now...

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Jeff Teague is a good young

Jeff Teague is a good young point who can score. They have Mike Bibby who is still good for bk up and some start minutes. They also have Jamal Crawford who is a two who could start. Atlanta is also in a position to grab a quality 2 guard to possibly play off the bench behind Crawford. Also Arenas will not get moved anytime soon unless Wizard take on a bad contract which they dont have to do right now. You have to think that Arenas will play his best basketball and will be on his best behavior so that at mid season he can be moved.

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Gilbert can play without the

Gilbert can play without the ball in his hands he is a knock 3pt shooter. He is 6'4 which isnt really undersized for todays SGs but we all know he doesnt play defense plus were in the East and the top guards off the dribble guards Dwade and Joe Johnson wherever he may go i think Gil and Wall can exist and have success in the east

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Jamal Crawford

Jamal is, as he showed with the Knicks and the Warriors, awful as a starter...he doesn't play defense, and almost never takes it to the hoop, preferring to take contested outside shots. He is good in his instant offence role off the bench, but as a starter? If the Hawks are smart and are still trying to be contenders, that would be a no.

And that's the problem; the Hawks still have a young team, but because of Joe Johnson leaving, they won't have anyone who will take over a leadership role. What do they do instead? They've got money tied up in long term contracts like Bibby's, and are over the cap by quite a bit, but they still want to be in the hunt for the championship...I think the Arenas-Johnson sign and trade deal solves that problem. Arenas can be the man on the team; hopefully this past year taught him to be less whimsical, and more of a leader, and he takes his second chance in Atlanta. Johnson would definitely help the Wizards because he is a good second fiddle to Washington's Wall.

I kind of figured that Indiana might find Bibby too old and expensive, but are they prepared for another year of mediocrity? And are they willing to reach for Bledsoe?

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