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- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 6:47am #67608
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Collin Sexton – Patrick Beverley
Trae Young – Mike Bibby
Trevon Duval – Damian Lillard
Jaylen Hands – Keyon Dooling
Lamar Peters – Troy Bell
Jalen Brunson – Jameer Nelson
Aaron Holiday – Yogi Ferrell
Tremont Waters – Tyler UlisSG
Luka Dončić – Joe Johnson
Lonnie Walker IV – Iman Shumpert
Gary Trent Jr. – Devin Booker
Grayson Allen – Victor Oladipo
Lagerald Vick – Latrell Sprewell
Bruce Brown Jr. – Cuttino Mobley
Hamidou Diallo – Ricky Davis
Allonzo Trier – Joseph ForteSF
Michael Porter Jr. – Brandon Ingram
Kevin Knox II – Tobias Harris
Mikal Bridges – Brandon Rush
Miles Bridges – Josh Smith
Jarred Vanderbilt – James Posey
Kris Wilkes – Harrison BarnesPF
Marvin Bagley III – Kevin Garnett
Jaren Jackson Jr. – Noah Vonleh
Wendell Carter Jr. – Al Horford
Robert Williams – J.J. Hickson
Moritz Wagner – Josh McRobertsC
DeAndre Ayton – David Robinson
Mohamed Bamba – Nerlens Noel
Brandon McCoy – Roy Hibbert
Nick Richards – Robert Swift0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 7:18am #1109230
Taylor Gang MikeParticipantBagley is a Chris Bosh clone, Trae is more Dana Barros. Duval is Lilliard???? hahahah heck no. Duval is more D Rose.. Aaron Holiday should also be allot higher, he reminds me of CP3 so much.
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 7:46am #1109232
Lotto StudParticipantDuval and Lillard’s skill are the same to me, despite the fact that one has a jumper and the other does not, which I feel is the only thing that separates them.
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 8:09am #1109234
Lotto StudParticipantWill you elaborate more on the Holiday/Paul comparison because I don’t see Holiday in the same light as a passer. He can score, but he’s a careless passer, which showed against Michigan, last week when his posted 7 assists and 7 turnovers.
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 7:27am #1109231
holefillers1ParticipantI can’t argue with those positional lists…pretty tight.
I am really high on Jaren Jackson Jr. I think his comp is closer to Alonzo Mourning.
I see Sexton as more of a scorer than Beverley. If you could trade their offense and defense with each other the result would be one supreme attacking guard.
I actually think Bagley is closer to Horford than Garnett but he has skill and it’s to early to be dead set on a big that shows the skills he shows.
The ones I think you nailed…Doncic, Lonnie Walker, Miles Bridges.
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 7:52am #1109233
Lotto StudParticipantI will pay closer attention to Jackson, since you’ve stamped that and stand by the Mourning comparison.
You and I see eye to eye on Sexton and Beverley’s offense for defense. Sexton has a better offensive game, but he can always improve defensively if that’s where his heart and mind is set at.
I give credit to the poster in this forum that brought it to everyone’s attention on the Dončić/Johnson comparison; I agree with him on it all the way.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 12/18/2017 - 4:52am #1109268
SlickBouncePassParticipantMay not be supremely athletic but he’s more athletic than Joe Johnson who has been a slow and effective plodder for most of his career. I think Doncic will give you more athleticism and better passing than Johnson.
Although the O.P. is clearly a Duke homer and has obvious (childish) biases against other programs and players, I agree with him on the Jaren Jackson – Vonleh comparison. Nothing about Jackson (everyone is high on him), excites me. I used to think Vonleh was a sleeper with that reach but he ended up being not athletic or skilled enough for the NBA and hasn’t yet developed, and his mentality seems weak.
Sexton is definitely better than Beverly due to his offense. They may look similarly built, but Sexton definitely has better offensive game.
Lonnie Walker has shown much more skill than Iman Shumpert who is basically a defensive specialist, a tall guard that cannot shoot or handle. Lonnie Walker is going to be much better than Shumpert. He may not be a star, but I want him for the Sixers.
Miles Bridges to Josh Smith may be spot on. Mikal Bridges reminds me of Shane Battier, a very serviceable role player in the NBA.
I’ve said it before: For Philly, Mikal Bridges or Lonnie Walker, realistically with the Lakers pick. Dzanan Musa or Allonzo Trier with their own pick. Philly needs backcourt scorers that need to give Luwawu a run for his spot on the bench. Musa would be a nice stash. I also hope Philly takes advantage of Saric when they ask about European players. I’d be interested in Saric’s honest opinions on Doncic and Musa etc, guys he’s played against.
0- Posted on: Mon, 12/18/2017 - 4:49pm #1109290
Lotto StudParticipantI’m far from a Duke homer, that’s not even my team, nor do I have anything against other programs and prospects.
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 9:26am #1109237
azertonParticipantMost of your comparisons are very good, some of my own that I think are more accruate :
– Marvin Bagley : Derrick Coleman
– Jaren Jackson : Theo Ratliff
– Mohamed Bamba : Ralph Sampson
– Gary Trent Jr : Gary Harris
0- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 9:38am #1109238
Lotto StudParticipantI like the fact that you took the initiative to go outside the norm.
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- Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 10:28am #1109240
BallerScriptParticipantTrevon Duval – Rajon Rondo
Luka Doncic – Joe Johnson/Manu Ginobili
Troy Brown – Evan Turner
Robert Williams – Amir Johnson/Ed Davis
Rui Hachimura – Jerami Grant
Mohamed Bamba – Sam Bowie
Mikal Bridges – Nick Anderson
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 10:29am #1109241
BallerScriptParticipantI’m really liking that Lonnie Walker-Iman Shumpert comparison
Nice job on that one mate
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 10:29am #1109242
Lotto StudParticipantInteresting list.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 12/17/2017 - 2:44pm #1109246
DreDaGOATParticipantSexton- Bledsoe
Doncic- more guard-like Toni Kukoc
Porter Jr.- Durant
Bagley- Garnett
Ayton- Karl Anthony-Towns
Jackson Jr.- Myles Turner
Bamba- Anthony Davis lite
0- Posted on: Mon, 12/18/2017 - 4:50pm #1109291
Lotto StudParticipantAyton to Towns seems pretty fair.
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- Posted on: Mon, 12/18/2017 - 9:31am #1109278
Memphis MadnessParticipantI would rather compare NBA prospects to guys I never watched play before — I usually do better that way.
For Luca Doncic: as a 6’7 or 6’8 small forward (2 guard? point forward?) who can shoot, score, pass, handle the ball, and rebound fairly well (he CAN do these things RIGHT?), you can’t really compare him (or anybody else) to Larry Bird (although MUH MAN Lonzo Ball is THE NEXT Larry Bird, or, rather he is more like Bird in playing-style and demeanor than Magic Johnson), so I am gonna go with the next best thing, gonna go for a Full Retro comparison for Lucky Luca Doncic aka Video Game Donkey Kong…
— Rick Barry.
He can carry your team, and even make them contenders. He can even be the best guy in the league if your league is about to go under aka mid-Seventies NBA, mid-Seventies ABA, then BACK to the NBA.
But, you say, KAREEM carried the league in the mid/late Seventies.
Hey, Kareem couldn’t carry a tune at a NYC jazz club.
Rick Barry was Larry Bird before Bird was Bird. On the other hand, David Thompson was Michael Jordan before Michael Jordan (although maybe that is not saying much — or enough).
Rick Barry is basically a forgotten NBA legend. Has an NBA title, a Finals MVP award (and I think he has/or had the Finals scoring record), and he MIGHT have won an MVP award/title in the ABA.
Wow, Barry averaged 26, 10, and 2 assists as a rookie.
If Doncic does that as a rookie you can probably put him down for Rookie of the Year.
All in all, not taking into account his ABA career, Rick Barry was selected to 7 All Star Games, played in 8, and won an All Star Game MVP award, a ROY award, AND that Finals MVP trophy finishing his career with 1 NBA title.
Doncic might not put up those stats as a rookie, but I can see him making 7 or 8 All Star Games with a shot at being the best guy contending for a title — but I don’t know much about this Doncic kid, just read some of the hype and watched a few of his YouTube Mixtapes.
… with the more obvious upside (not FREAK upside) for Doncic being the next Chris Mullin.
Ok, Collin Sexton: best point guard prospect in this draft. Comp: THE Isiah Thomas.
Mikal Bridges: As I have said before, PRIME Ron Harper (basically a poor man’s Mike Jordan).
Miles Bridges: somewhere between Charles Barkley, Larry Johson, and Hank Gathers.
Grayson Allen: again, a more athletic Danny Ainge. Streaky, hornery, borderline All Star preppy. Basically, a Before/After aka a Mid-Transition Teen Wolf.
Cool, I compared guys to Rick Barry/Chris Mullin, THE Isiah Thomas, Ron Harper, Sir Charles/LJ/Hank Gathers, and a cross between Danny Ainge and Teen Wolf.
Ok, I am gonna keep going!
Marvin Bagley, III: with a name like that, I am pretty sure he led Memphis State to a vacated Final Four in 1985. Comps: Keith Lee/Larry Kenon/Elvin Hayes.
DeAndre Ayton: Robert Parish. For a Draft ’86 comparison, Brad Daugherty. Patrick Ewing might be the best one, all around…
Mohamad Bamba: If the Grizzlies draft him, Michael Olowokandi/Kwame Brown/Hasheem Thabeet. If anyone ELSE drafts him: obviously a combination of David Robinson and Bill Russell.
Tacko Fall: take your pick of 7’6 fly swatters. So, your team needs a third string center, and ANYTHING resembling a rim protector. And, you have a mid/late 2nd round pick and The Fall Guy is STILL on the board? What. Do. You. Do? You obviously trade that 2nd round pick, a future unprotected first rounder, and a decent expiring contract for Brandan Wright!
0- Posted on: Mon, 12/18/2017 - 4:52pm #1109292
Lotto StudParticipantI don’t knock your method, but I take another route whenever I compare guys.
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- Posted on: Mon, 12/18/2017 - 4:59pm #1109293
OhCanada-ParticipantYou cant compare a top 4 Center prospect on your own list to Robert Swift. The guy was out of the league in 4 years and living in meth houses getting high. I dont know much about Nick Richards but I dont think his career will be that bad.
0- Posted on: Mon, 12/18/2017 - 5:22pm #1109295
Lotto StudParticipantThat’s the thing! Whenever I compare guys, I don’t do it to say they will pan out exactly like their comparison, once they reach the NBA, which I realize that it’s the biggest misconception many people have on comparisons. There’s tons of things that I factor in when doing so, and size/style of play are at the top of the list, not personal achievements on and off the court. Also, comparing Richards to Swift isn’t a knock as much as you think it is, because he was actually a lottery pick out of high school.
Feel free to give me your overall thoughts on my initial post.
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- Posted on: Wed, 12/20/2017 - 7:02am #1109360
R4unoParticipantI can’t see Doncic ending up as a player like Joe Johnson. As most of you guys here have never seen him play in live, it’s easy to let some 2-year-old scouting reports fool you and believe he’s a small forward. He’s a 6’8” point guard with unlimited offensive skillset. His play in Europe is scarily similar to James Harden’s, I can’t predict how it will translete to the NBA, but he’s definitely ahead of Harden at the age of 18. I don’t like comparing players to one particular player, I’d rather have a best-case scenario comparison, worst-case scenario comparison and a comparison whose playstyle and skillset, not necessarily the playing level, resembles the young player the most.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:33am #1109368
Lotto StudParticipantYou are clearly underrating Joe Johnson as a ball-handler and playmaker; he’s more of a point guard than small forward. I don’t want to sound too redundant, but comparisons aren’t to say a player will have the same exact career.
I’ll be waiting on your comparison if you decide to reply back.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/20/2017 - 10:09am #1109370
R4unoParticipantI went to look at Joe Johnson’s career assist averages after your comment and the fact that his career high is 6.5 per game is pretty impressive. There has been so much noise of him being a ballhog, but he actually seems to really be a decent playmaker. As I live in Europe and started watching NBA basketball only 4 years ago because of my young age, I haven’t seen prime Joe Johnson play in live. So your comparison seems much more relevant now, but I’d still stick with not-(yet?)-as-smooth/fluid James Harden – a combo guard who is a really good shooter and passer, crafty ballhandler and very good in isolation, but is a rather bad defender. From previous eras, the aforementioned Toni Kukoc with better shooting and passing is also an interesting comparison. For a bad-case scenario comp… Maybe (a weaker) Gallinari, that is the comp this site decided to give him? This could only happen if he completely fails to defend in NBA or couldn’t make the passes he’s currently making in Europe. Anyways, I apologize for such a self-confident comment as your comp definitely has more relevance than I thought. You made a different-angled comparison I would never have thought of, but as it seems, it could end up being pretty accurate.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/20/2017 - 10:55am #1109372
Lotto StudParticipantI’m glad to see that you at least went back on your own to do some research on Johnson’s stats. If you would like to take it a step further, just check out some old clips of Johnson on YouTube throughout his career. I highly doubt you will find a lot of Boston footage, but if you do, you will see how much his game transitioned from being a wing player to a great ball-handling playmaker in Atlanta and Brooklyn.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/20/2017 - 11:42am #1109375
R4unoParticipantOf course I’ve watched his highlights, but the thing is that playmaking highlights are much harder to find than scoring highlights. This combined with the fact that during the last seasons when I’ve actually watched some live games, he’s been more of a pure wing player and the amount of isolation plays he’s used throughout his entire career has made his playmaking seem much worse than it actually is. I hope Doncic can be his team’s primary ballhandler from day one in NBA, that’s the best way to utilize his talent.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/20/2017 - 12:00pm #1109376
Lotto StudParticipant“I hope Doncic can be his team’s primary ballhandler from day one in NBA, that’s the best way to utilize his talent.”
It’s not looking favorable for him with the way the current standings are holding up, because every team in his range has their guy except for Chicago, but more than likely they will select a big. The best case scenario, is that he falls in Phoenix’ lap somehow.
0- Posted on: Thu, 12/21/2017 - 7:41am #1109401
R4unoParticipantFortunately, this draft is stacked of top level talent. In no recent year the prediction of what the order of the first 6 drafted players will be, and at the same time, it seems relatively easy to predict who are going to be in the top 6. I think Atlanta would take Bagley and Ayton before Doncic, Dallas definitely won’t go for another guard, Sacramento would probably take a big and Cavs would probably like Porter Jr and Bagley better, but of course it also depends on if they can add an All-Star big man before the trade deadline. I think Memphis would consider him, but again the need for a wing player is greater, especially if Tyreke wants to stay with the team. If Tyreke leaves, Memphis would actually be a good destination for him because he could thrive in a similar role to what Tyreke’s playing in this season in a small-market team. Orlando is another team that would take him first, but they probably won’t get a top 3 pick. Another team that will probably end up getting a pick in the region of 5th to 7th is Phoenix. Given how much tradeable pieces they have, I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade up a couple of spots, but I think they would also be satisfied with getting Trae Young.
0- Posted on: Thu, 12/21/2017 - 7:51am #1109402
R4unoParticipantOh and I forgot the Bulls. I think their decision depends solely on how Dunn and LaVine play this season. If Dunn can keep up what he’s been doing so far and LaVine comes back scoring 20 a game, I’m pretty sure they’d take a wing or big. Otherwise they would be a very logical destination for him, especially with one European rookie already performing very well.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 12/21/2017 - 7:59am #1109403
Lotto StudParticipantYou hit the nail in the coffin. The only reason to why I didn’t mention Memphis, is because of Tyreke Evans.
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- Posted on: Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:47am #1109369
mamadouParticipantYep R4uno, i don’t get the JJ comp AT ALL.
Maybe it’s because i saw JJ with steve nash and Doncic’s pro games at age 17…
Doncic is a huge point guard, a combo guard, a lead guard, a SG facilitator if he plays with another true point, a thing harden was from day 1 or became with or without westbrook, beverley and now CP3.
Joe Johnson was a huge SG, big enough to play the 3, he became a SG facilitator for the hawks, nowadays he’d be a combo forward, point forward.
Doncic played the 2 with Lull at real madrid, the 2 with Dragic for slovenia, like dragic played the 2 with lakovic for years.
As a sun, i’d be curious to see Doncic with Booker, both players could be Harden lite in prod-role, playing off each other, or leading their own unit.
Suns are so bad at the point, i d like to see booker run the point to end the season, giving a shot at Josh Jackson at the 2 spot in the process.
Suns need warren’s offense in the starting 5, but neither him nor jackson can play the 4.
No PG, no starting C, scrubs PF, logjam at the 3, Robert Sarver owner, oh boy.
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- Posted on: Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:10pm #1109414
kobyzParticipantMiles Bridges reminds me more athletic Luel Deng.., Kevin Knox reminds me Glenn Rice senior…
0- Posted on: Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:38pm #1109418
Lotto StudParticipantDo you have any thoughts on the overall list?
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