[Bad DogParticipant]

I’m holding out hope for Sidney. His talent isn’t his issue. It’s his dedication and attitude. If he ever gets his sh!t together he could end up being a very nice player

[YSUFan10Participant]

 Sacre: No

Hamilton: Yes

Sidney: No

Denmon: Yes

Ratliffe: Yes

Scott: Yes

Brown: Yes

Plumlee: No

Darius Johnson-Odom: Yes

[JoeWolf1]

 Regarless of whether they get drafted or have to go the free agent route, which potential 2nd round prospects do you think will make it as NBA players?

– Robert Sacre

-Justin Hamilton

-Renardo Sidney

-Marcus Denmon

-Ricardo Ratliff

-Mike Scott

-J’Covan Brown

-Miles Plumlee

-Darius Johnson-Odom

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I also agree that Plumlee is a lock in the second round. But comparing him to much smaller and slower centers like Collison, McRoberts and Turif doesn’t really make sense. Collison and McRoberts were much better than Plumlee in college. Collison should definitely be starting for the Thunder in this finals. So he has panned out in any way you could possibly hope.

The pro game might actually be easier for Plumlee as the court is more spreadout with good shooters dragging defenders farther from the basket. That should give him a little more room to get a running start to show off that vertical for a few put back jams and such.

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

I’ve given up on Sidney, used to be his biggest fan but the guys just doesn’t want it. He’s Demarcus Russell minus the millions of dollar robbery

 

I hate Duke but i think Miles will find away into the NBA because he is damn ear 7ft with a 40inch vertical. Actually i’m 100 percent sure he will get drafted, second round of course. He can do what Nick Collison is doing which is do the dirty work on defense and get offensive boards and tip ins. He can also do what Josh McRoberts is doing or Ronny Turif

[Wahoo757Participant]

 Yes to Mike Scott. He’s skilled and versatile offensively and tough defensively, he should last for a few years as a role player.

Yes to Miles Plumlee. 7 footers that are that athletic are very rare. He’s a good rebounder and if he toughens up defensively I can see him being an NBA journeyman that lasts for a while since there is a shortage of serviceable centers in the NBA.

Yes to Darius Johnson Odom. If he weren’t undersized he’d be a first round pick. He’s smart, tough, athletic, and is a good shooter. I see him being a solid role player for some time in the NBA. 

No to everyone else, for one reason or another I don’t see them making an impact in the NBA.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Sacre: Yes

Hamilton: No

Sidney: No

Denmon: Yes

Ratliffe: Yes

Scott: Yes

Brown: No

Plumlee: No

Johnson-Odom: No

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

Thats because you are comparing their size instead of what their roles/impacts are on the game. They all have the same roles. Garbage men who dont get plays run for them and rarely get the ball in post up situations. They defend,rebound,crash the boards, run the floor

[JNixonParticipant]

Robert Sacre- He has the size to make a team and shows flashes of the skills, but he’s not as tough as he looks physically. He rebounds very bad for his size and he never broke out for Gonzaga down low the way he probably should have in the WCC. I say no

 

-Justin Hamilton- Short, and just decent athletes who are SG’s in a PG’s body can be found anywhere. I’d say no.

 

Renardo Sidney- His time is running out, and I dont even think he cares. He has the talent to play in the NBA, and some team may take a chance on him and his great talent, but he’s a lazy headcase who will always be on a short leash. I dont know if an NBA team will go through the trouble to keep him, but someone might.

 

Marcus Denmon- He could if a team needs defense and shooting, but also has a tall, true PG. It depends with him, but he might make it because he makes very few mistakes and is super efficient. But a 6’2 SG? Doubtful.

 

Ricardo Ratliff- He’s not that effective when he has to create for himself, and he can struggle in more physical game. Also plays like a 6’9 240 C with just OK athleticism. He wont make it

 

Mike Scott- Despite Scott being an extremely average NBA prospect across the board, he could make it because he doesnt really have any noticeable weaknesses.

 

J’Covan Brown- Brown could make it because he is a talented scorer when using his jumper, but he’s not a PG really at all and he’s a bit selfish and gets less effective the closer he is from the 3-point line. And he’s not athletic and his physical conditioning will ALWAYS have to be monitored. 

 

Miles Plumlee- Plumlee’s athleticism and Duke pedigree will get him summer league invites and things, but besides his rebounding (which is just solid IMO despite the numbers) he doesnt have an NBA caliber skill. His a liability on offense in the NBA.

 

Darius Johnson-Odom- His athletic results will make teams take a long look at him, and his jumper is nice, and he plays intense on the defensive end. But he’s a 6’2 SG who kinda at times plays like a 6’2 SF. He could make a team, but not for long if he does

[TRC1991Participant]

Sacre: yes, he’s a bit stiff but he reminds me of Dan Gadzuric, an active 3rd string center

Hamilton: no, I don’t think the Aaron Gray’s of the NBA are going to be around much longer

Sidney: no, his skillset is high but his body fat % is even higher

Denmon: no, I like Denmon and think hes quite a baller but he has no position and hes small

Ratliffe: yes, somebody could use a 6’9” 240 lb banger who shoots at a seriously high %

Scott: yes, I think Scott can give a team 5 and 4 off the bench

Brown: no, not at all. he looked severely outmatched by everyone at the combine

Plumlee: yes, he is not an offensive powerhouse but his size and athleticism will allow him to stick

Johnson-Odom: yes, in fact I dont think theres any doubt. this guy is tough as can be and a winner

 

[ChrispyParticipant]

guys from your list, Joe, are Miles Plumlee and DJO. Plumlee is an athletic freak and will get burn somewhere for a while. If Josh Harrelson can get major PT in the league and start a few games, there is NO reason Plumlee can’t/won’t. DJO will be a pace changer off the bench, a guy who can come in and turn up the tempo on both sides of the court. I think Brown has a chance to stick as a FA signee for a few years. He reminds me of Juan Dixon in terms of size and skill set.

[JNixonParticipant]

 Yall really think Plumlee is an NBA player? He’s a true liability on offense, and he struggles defensively too when he faces guys who can create offense for themselves. I dont see an NBA player in any way when watching Plumlee

[ChrispyParticipant]

I’ll tell you why. He is a huge, mobile human being which right there sets him apart from many others. He is a very good rebounder, a specific skill that has helped many men carve out long niche careers and he is a guy that has long been talked about as having far more skill than he has been able to demonstrate in games. I think that history combined with his physical gifts makes him a tantalizing 2nd round pick for many, many teams (especially a running team). No illusions, he won’t be an all-star but he could very well have a long career being a 3rd big in the L. He will also benefit from the increased spacing in the NBA which will allow for more offensive rebounding angles and dives to the hoop in space.

[JNixonParticipant]

 He doesnt rebound good enough to make up for the fact that he is a complete liability on offense. And neither does his athleticism. He’s not elite in any of those areas to make up for his lackluster offensive ability

[ChrispyParticipant]

a good comparison in my mind (for Plumlee) is Jake Voskhul from UCONN. He was a solid energy player with little in terms of traditional skill. He carved out a 10 year career with activity, energy, size and rebounding and with less of a physical profile as well.

[Wahoo757Participant]

 Miles Plumlee isn’t a good enough rebounder? He has more than 3 rebounds per 40 more than any other center slated in the mock draft.

[JNixonParticipant]

 I dont think its nearly good enough for him to get in the NBA, Brian Zoubek had great rebound stats his Sr. year, and he’s got much better physical tools than Plumlee. Still didnt make it past training camp. He’s too much of an offensive liability to stick in the NBA.

[Wahoo757Participant]

 Zoubek didn’t have Plumlee’s physical tools is what I’m hoping you meant. Zoubek has an inch on Miles but Zoubek is a lot stiffer and wouldn’t have registered anywhere near a 40 inch vert at the combine if he was  invited.

[JNixonParticipant]

Zoubek was bigger and taller than Plumlee. Either way, Plumlee isnt an NBA player

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

You’re looking at Miles wrong. Look at others in the NBA with the same limitations but aren’t as big or athletic. The guys i named for one. As a NBA big off the bench you don’t need to be a great offensive player since no play’s are going to be run for you. Why can’t Miles do what Josh McRoberts is doing? Why can’t he do what Collinson or Turief do?  All he has to do is come in get a couple of boards, block a shot or two and change shots and run the fast break. There are a list of bigs who’s role is exactly that. The thing that makes many think he will make it is he knows his role since thats been his role in college so you don’t have to try to program him to use his energy as a garbage guy since thats what he’s been doing since college. Other guys have issues because they think they need to score more and put more effort into that.

 

Zobeck wasn’t as fast nor athletic. He didn’t fit garabage man status at all. Garbage men get up and down the court pretty well and are athletic ala McRoberts,Ronny,Collinson. Gm’s seem to like him which is why he is getting a good amount of workouts and was requested by GM’s to be invited to the combine

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I think you should include Terrell Stoglin in their. If he’s not drafted, he’ll probably make the D-League All-Star Game and get a few call-ups from teams.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

QUINCEY IS BACK!!!

But in regards to Plumlee, he’ll be on an NBA roster next year. He’s an athletic guy who’ll rebound on both ends, set picks, roll hard and bang in the post vs C’s. That’s it. If he makes it, he’s a 4th big.

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

I’ve wrestled with saying Stoglin as well because his offensive game is more complete than most. He’s one of the few guards that can score on all three levels (drives,midrange, deep). Even if he doesn’t make it in the NBA he will make a lot of money over seas.

 

Another thing about Miles that i touched on , he may not be a better offensive player than many other bigs but those other bigs are more concerned about scoring instead of doing the little things. Thats why you see guys like Lance Thomas and Danny Green in the NBA over guys you know who are better offensively. Thats why a player like Bruce Bowen stayed in the NBA compared to other Sf who were better offensive players. Those players know their roles and are willing to give 100percent towards setting picks, defense, rebounding.  There are bigs out there who could easily take Miles spot and get on a roster spot if they were willing to do that but most aren’t. They still think they should be a option on offense

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Miles Plumlee isn’t as skilled as Collison or Turiaf.  Collison was a mid first rounder who was a very productive college player.  Turiaf also made the 1st round, if I remember correctly.  McRoberts is not great, but he is much more skilled than Plumlee.  Plumlee has a shot at making a team, but I would say it is a long shot.  He is just too limited on both ends of the floor.  He wasn’t really even a great role player at the college level.  I highly doubt he gets playing time if he does in fact make a team.

[JustaFanParticipant]

Scott, Sacre, Plumlee, Ratliffe and Kanye Johnson-Odom will all more than likely catch on somewhere or at least all get legitimate shots. But the rest of the guys on this list are probably dead.. and the worst of all is Renardo Sidney… shame on him man. Anybody remember those Chris Webber player comparisons on his profile from his high school years. Crazy how guys who have it don’t want it and those who really want it can barely get a look.

[GoJOSH HUESTISParticipant]

Miles doesn’t have to be as skilled as either because neither player is asked to score right?   They dont have offensive plays plays run for them right?  This is where people are getting mixed up. Both of those players are asked to do something that doesn’t take a lot of skill to do. It takes effort to do the things they are asked to do. And it helps when you are big and athletic. So saying so and so is more skilled has no merit because the players aren’t asked to do anything skilled related. There are a good amount of bigs more skilled than Ronny but do they go 100 percent at being garbage men? do they forsake offense and put that energy towards crashing the offensive glass or defending or blocking shots?  Thats why some bigs or players with less talent make it over players who are more talented or more skilled. Lonnie Baxter is more skilled than Miles but i bet Miles has a longer NBa career.

 

Lance Thomas and Danny Green started in the NBA…Let that sink in for a second…………………..I’m sure you can think of plenty of guys more skilled than both of those guys but those guys wouldn’t accept that they are no longer go to options and they had to find something else to do in order to stay or make it in the NBA

[cycloParticipant]

Plumlee averaged 7.1 rebounds in just 20.5 minutes per game.  Tops among all centers in the Draft per minute.  His rebound rate per 40 minutes (pace adjusted) is an incredible 13.4.

Rebounds per 40 minutes (pace adjusted):

Miles Plumlee 13.4

Tyler Zeller 12.4

Andre Drummond 10.8

Meyers Leonard 10.4

Festus Ezeli 10.2

Feb Melo 9.3

[cycloParticipant]

It isn’t just Plumlee’s rebounding ability and elite-level athleticism that are causing NBA people to take notice and rocketing him up the draft board.

It’s his accurate shooting from everywhere, basketball IQ and ball handling skills that are REALLY impressing NBA people in the group and individual workouts.

One workout observer from Slam magazine noted that Plumlee "handled the rock better than a lot of the wings in the group."

Now teams picking in the late lottery to the late first round are bringing him in.  If you look at his schedule, it’s crazy now.  I think he’s a solid late first round pick.

I wouldn’t say he doesn’t have NBA-level offensive skills.  He’s showing in the group workouts that he does.  His skills on offense are really what’s impressing the NBA people.  The ball handling.  The shooting.  He just didn’t get the chance to show those skills on the court at Duke. They did not run any plays for him and he had to split the minutes with his 6’11" brother.

[JNixonParticipant]

I dont see how he is an NBA player when Duke’s frontline never stopped anyone with good bigs. He cant score and isnt a defensive presence. He was a good rebounder, but he wouldnt factor at all on an NBA team. There are bigs all through the NBA who rebound just as good or better than Plumlee, who actually can play offensively and who are good defenders. I dont think Plumlee is very good, he is better than he used to be but I dont see an NBA player, even if he makes a roster who would be nailed to the bench

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 If Miles Plumlee can handle better than wings, shoot accurate from everywhere, than why did he never be productive in 4 years at Duke.  It is one thing for a freshman to struggle, but as a senior getting consistent playing time, why couldn’t he score 7 ppg for a team that lacked great interior scoring.  If he goes in the 1st round, some team overthought itself.  Basketball isn’t played with no defense in a gym.  He was a solid college big, as he rebounded well and scored efficiently, but he doesn’t have the skill to be an NBA rotation player.  

Plus, I think his physical tools are way overrated.  He looks good in combine drills, and I’m sure he can jump high, but he doesn’t have great coordination or quickness.  He just doesn’t look like an NBA athlete out there, regardless of how high he can jump.  All this hype is just coming from the combine; he seemed completely unnoticed when he was actually playing in meaningful basketball games.

I don’t mean to insult him, but he is way too highly hyped for a player who wasn’t even an elite role player in college as a Senior.

[TomShoeParticipant]

 What do you think of these guys?

Henry Sims

Hollis Thompson

Darius Miller

Quincy Acy

JaMychal Green

Kris Joseph

Casper Ware

Yancy Gates

Zack Rosen

Jet Chang

[HaleParticipant]

 – Robert Sacre  No. I’ve seen him play plenty of times and he will not be around for long.

-Justin Hamilton  Don’t know who he is.

-Renardo Sidney  I can see how he could, but I don’t see it happening.

-Marcus Denmon  I’ll say yes.

-Ricardo Ratliff  Maybe, not sure tbh.

-Mike Scott  Possibly

-J’Covan Brown  No

-Miles Plumlee Could he? Yes. Do I think he will? No, not really.

-DJO I like him, I think he’ll be around for a few years.

 

[cycloParticipant]

I can’t explain his Duke career, except to say he didn’t get the minutes.  And he didn’t.  Look at his minutes per game:

Freshman year:  6.9 minutes 

Sophmore year: 16.4 minutes

Junior year: 17 minutes

Senior year: 20.5 minutes

His skills are impressing in the NBA workouts.  Aside from his elite-level athleticism, what he’s showing are impressive ball handling and shooting skills for a big man …. the kind you’d expect from a player ranked much higher.

[butidonthavemoney]

cyclo is so predictable.

 

[kobyzParticipant]

Miles Plumlee remind me Kwame Brown, doesn’t really know what he’s doing but has good phisical tools!!!

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Plumlee rebounded great in college and I think it is crazy to say that there are all these NBA players who rebound better than him. He will bring rebounding, that is a given. 

Now those displays of two-ball dribbling and shooting against no defense, I’d throw those out the window. The guy looses his mind in games and can’t really keep up mentally with the action. Also he gets nervous. Often when he took shots in games he missed badly and if it wasn’t a dunk it had very little chance of going in. He also didn’t seem to ever develop any post moves except a sweeping hook shot that was lucky if it caught a piece of the rim. 

But you don’t need a center to be the scoring focus of your team. And he is a threat to score because if left open he can take the ball and dunk it. 

He is getting drafted. I think that is a lock now. And I think he will stick in the league. 

By the way, the comparisons to Collison are kind of insulting to Collison who was an 18 point per game scorer and has become a very good pro. If Scott Brooks doesn’t figure that out soon and put Perkins on the bench the Thunder are going to have a very short trip to the Finals. 

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