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  • #36494
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    Knicksboy42
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     Here’s my idea, and why each team would do it.

    • Indiana gets: Steve Nash, Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill, NY’s 2012 1st round rounder (from IND)
    • Houston gets: Pau Gasol, Danny Granger, Hakim Warrick
    • Los Angeles gets: Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry, Dhanty Jones, Houston’s 2014 1st rounder
    • Phoenix gets: Terrance Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Darren Collison, Indiana’s 2012 1st round pick, Indiana’s 2014 1st rounder

     

    My logic for each team. 

    Phoenix- You’re not getting a monster deal back for Steve Nash. He’s 38, a free agent next season, and a rental to anyone you deal him too. Darren Collison gives you a PG replacement, Williams/Hansbrough as role players. The first round pick also helps moving forward. Other then Gortat, Morris, and Channing Frye’s contract, the Suns are full of 1-2 year deals. You keeping Collison and bottoming out for a guy, as well as having IND’s pick gives PHX hope moving forward.

    Houston- You jump from the group of average, and now you have two top 35 players in the league. Sure, you gave up your best three prospects, and a couple picks, but you keep Parsons, Lee and Dragic who could pair with these two. You could be a top 4 playoff team

    Los Angeles- You add a point guard, and still keep yourself in the Dwight Howard race, and you might have increased your chances of acquiring him. You add Scola and Lowry into LA with Kobe and Bynum to make them even scarier moving forward. 

    Indiana- You move Granger to allow Paul George to be the SF. You bring in Nash, and give him a SG in Martin. You now have Nash, Martin, George, West, Hibbert as your starting five. You also get back NY’s pick from Houston, which seems to be dwindling in value, thanks to Jeremy Lin. 

    Who says no? I would guess LA maybe, but what you do think?

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  • #636610
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    Chilbert arenas
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     Paul George is untouchable 

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  • #636612
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    gopack10
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    The Lakers only give up Pau here and get Scola, Lowry, Jones and a 1st Rounder?  That’s a big much for Pau in my opinion.  I’m definitely doing it if I’m the Lakers.

    The Suns get a nice haul for Nash and get rid of Warrick’s contract.  They would be on board I believe.

    The Pacers give up a lot for a Nash rental.  If he agrees to stick around for another year or two then it would be good for them.

    Houston would be the one that would probably back out considering that I don’t believe they would be sold on Dragic and Flynn taking over the PG duties.

    I’ve seen worse but this could be better.

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  • #636615
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    Knicksboy42
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     @Chillbert

     

    PLEASE READ THE TRADE AGAIN. 

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  • #636617
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    Knicksboy42
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     @Clayton 

    I know that’s a major haul for Pau, but Morey really likes him. They could throw more into the deal you’re probably right. I would assume Indiana would get Darius Morris then, to insure them in case they lose Nash. 

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  • #636618
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    Chilbert arenas
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    Hahahah! That’s just my dislexia acting up… Now that I read it again I think it’d improve every team involved especially since George isn’t in it hahaha

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  • #636620
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    Knicksboy42
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     Lol, it’s ok dude. 

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  • #636622
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    Chilbert arenas
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     I don’t know if the Suns could get a better deal than that since they’re getting rid of Warrick in the process with those picks.   

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  • #636628
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    bloodshy
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    I don’t see why Houston would ever make this deal.  Why would they give up Lowry, Scola, Martin, a 1st rounder and pick up a bad contract just to snag a declining Gasol and Granger?

    Granger for Martin straight up is a reasonable idea, so the issue with this deal really comes down to this: Is a declining Gasol worth giving up Lowry, Scola, a 1st rounder & picking up a bad contract?  I don’t think so.  Is a declining Gasol worth a possible future star like Lowry straight up?  Probably, but it’s not a steal by any stretch.  Is the gap big enough to give up Scola, a 1st rounder and eating a bad contract to make it happen?  No way.

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  • #636636
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    Knicksboy42
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     I don’t see why Houston would ever make this deal. Why would they give up Lowry, Scola, Martin, a 1st rounder and pick up a bad contract just to snag a declining Gasol and Granger?

     

    You could win a title with Pau. He’s not declining, more as he isn’t featured in the Los Angeles offense. Even with that, he’s putting up 16-10 without a decent point guard. Also, Danny Granger takes pressure off Pau. It’s moving prospects for top talent. Martin for Granger is the deal I had, but Lowry and Scola for Pau? Seems fair to me. Move him into the HOU offense where he has a flanker like Dalembert, he could put up 21-11-3 I feel. 

    Another small thing to me about Pau, he gets blamed ALL the time in LA. Move him to a pressure-free situation like Houston, give him a nice wingman like Granger, and it could help him focus and reestablish himself on the court. 

     

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  • #636637
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    Knicksboy42
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     Another thing, Lowry is not a star. He’s a above average point guard. He’s not a top 10 point guard in this league I feel. 

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  • #636640
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    Hale
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     I like this deal. If LA gave up a pick or another player I’d say every team wins.

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  • #636651
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    bloodshy
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    Pau has definitely declined.  It’s not arguable.  If you compare Pau’s 2011 playoffs to his 2009/10 playoffs you’ll see a huge difference in what Pau brings now compared to what he brought then.  I’m not suggesting I know why (age, wear/tear, or simply that people have figured him out, etc.), but he’s not the force he used to be (though he’s still a great player). Pau is playing on the same team w/the same pg and wing man and is featured in the same way now that he was three years ago.  Yet three years ago he was a monster and in contention for recognition as the best big in the game.  Today he’s still a very good big that has a smaller positive impact on his team than Lowry (not a top-10 pg in your eyes) has in Houston.  I disagree w/you about Lowry’s skill now and about where he’ll be in 2-3 years btw.

    Also, trades always involve risk.  Your suggestion that Pau would perform better in Houston is lacking.  It’s centered around critiques of his current pg situation, an improved wingman situation and the pressure that is on him in LA.  In your trade, Houston loses it’s pg, so the situation is no substantial improvement.  Additionally, Granger is a high volume shooter w/a lower fg% than Kobe and he’s not an elite facilitator by any stretch.  I see no reason to believe Pau’s wingman situation would improve by giving him Granger instead of Kobe.  Pressure is the only change, but that would be primarily due to low expectations–no one expects success in Houston.  On the flip side, Gasol could be upset to be going back to a bad team and give a weaker effort seeing his winning days in his past.  My point is that you never know how a player will react to a trade psychologically.  Who thought Devin Harris (the one-time all-star and guiness record holder for baseline to baseline sprint) would disgress by moving from his high pressure role on a talentless team in NJ to the patient coaching staff w/plenty of post talent in Utah?

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  • #636659
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    First question that comes to mind is if Houston thinks they can truely compete with Goran Dragic and Flynn playing PG. Although they are upgrading at PF and SF so they might not care.

    Second question, could Indiana really compete in the East with as weak of defense as they would have? I mean they’d score 105 but give up 115. They do gain a potential lottery pick so maybe they could use that on a PG to take over for Nash. Imagine him tutoring Marshall, Kabongo, Wroten etc..

    I think LA and Phoenix would definitely have to pull the trigger. The Lakers upgrade at PG while making a small downgrade at PF. Scola and McRoberts ain’t bad thou, plus they could use some future picks. Phoenix gets a nice haul for Nash with a great young PG, two future firsts, and a nice bench player in Hansbrough.

    One of the better trade ideas I’ve seen in a lil while.

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  • #636665
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    Fair, I disagree. I look at the games where Bynum is the second option. It’s not the fact Pau is not getting the ball in his sweet spot, it’s wierd because I never saw this being an issue. They do have the same PG and SG, but they lack an ideal second passer. Lamar Odom was a monster in finding Pau Gasol. Without a guy like Odom, Pau’s game becomes more clogged IMO. Not to mention, this guy was about to be dealt, and he’s ripped upon after every game about his softness. Gasol is still a top 15 player to me, but we all like shiny new toys, thus Love, Griffin, and Aldridge are "better".  As for Lowry? Nah man. Dude isn’t gonna be much better in 2-3 seasons. He should have been an all star, but at age 26, I don’t see much upside in his game, and to be honest, he was playing over his head early this season. I think he’s alot like Billups in a sense, he’s a good defender who isn’t a pass first PG, but could move the ball. Guys like Paul, Williams, Rose will always be better, and Rubio and Irving are already better then him. He’s above-average to me. 

    The deal does involve risk, but smart risk by Morey IMO. You made the McGrady trade and ROBBED NY, only to give up Lin and cost yourself a chance at a lotto pick. Unfair, but it’s the way it looks. I can’t name one deal Morey made that benefit the Rockets. This is a risk, but a low risk. Granger and Pau’s contract end in 2014. At worst, you have two big contract guys in exp deals they can flip. Pau’s wingman situation changes because you actually have someone who isn’t going to take alot of terrible shots like Kobe. The issue with Granger is he isn’t hitting them, but it’s early. Goran Dragic is underrated. I think he could produce nicely as a starter. Dragic/Gasol in the pick and roll could be great, and with Lee/Parsons/Dalembert/Budinger/Morris/Flynn/Patterson along with Granger, the Rockets could be one of the better teams in the West. 

    Also, I was NEVER high on Devin Harris. He wasn’t that good to me. He’s the perfect example of a dude on a bad team who got stats. Never thought he was a winning player. 

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  • #636895
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    PrettyBoyPeeWee
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     This  might be the best, most equal trade i’ve seen in a while, good trades all around.

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