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following the Iggy trade speculation and the Indiana talks...

certain trade that i think could be good for both teams and i would like to see, Igoudala for Paul George, the numbers don't work stright up so will need to create circumstances to make the numbers work, and maybe the Pacers should add some more value like Brandon Rush or somthing, but basically it's Igoudala for Paul George, i think each person fit much better in the other team and their goal:

Igoudala fit with Indiana intention to succeed right now. with Grenger he could make one of the best wing combo and he complete him very well with his sleshing, defense and passing and could find there suitable role as being a third option.

Paul George in other end show very high upside, great defensive potential and lovely 3 point stroke and together with Holiday and Turner could creat amazing backcourt for the future, it also will make Holiday and Turner much more effective and will give them more room to play their games as George is great compliment player for them!


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you think philly is going to

you think philly is going to move iggy to indiana to play with danny granger? LOL, i would not mind George but I would not consider moving iggy for another wing.. If we needed a wing we would keep Iggy. I do agree it would make Turner more effective, but if were moving a wing its gonna be for a big man.. Unless you have one to throw in with George, but the only one worth anything there is hibbert.. (which is not happening)

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id only trade iggy for a big

imo iggy should be traded for a big

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I live in Indianapolis and

I live in Indianapolis and have been hearing this trade talk for Iggy a while now. Not for George, though. People have talked about moving a guy like Roy Hibbert and/or Brandon Rush and/or Josh McRoberts or possibly picks because Philly would get the cap relief and a chance to develop Evan Turner. Then for the Pacers, if push came to shove and they did in fact decide to move Hibbert (which is a reach IMO), they have the money to replace him on the open market with either a guy like Marc Gasol or Nene.

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great idea

I personally really like this idea and I've been posting it on other forums. Iggy for George and Posey's expiring would match up the salaries, but the pacers would probably also have to throw in a future 1st round pick.

Iggy would fit in well with Indiana. He isn't a big time scorer, but would be a great compliment to Granger. Iggy is a slasher and good passer, and Granger would feed off of the open looks Iggy would create for him. Iggy is also a great perimiter defender who could take defensive pressure off of Granger so Danny can strictly concentrate on scoring. The Pacers could then go after Bargnani to add some more scoring.

Paul George would be an excellent fit next to Turner and Holiday. He's young, can score, can shoot the ball (which is his most important asset), and is athletic.

I know ths sixers need a big, but nobody is really available who'd be worth Iguodala. George presents the best fit and most value. A big needs to be targetted elsewhere, because the two best options of acquiring a big are through the draft or free agency with Marc Gasol, Deandre Jordan, Dwight in 2012 (hopefully), or Tyson Chandler. No team right now is looking to trade a defensive, rebounding big.

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The problem with this is Paul

The problem with this is Paul gives you essntially the same skill set, minus the passing, that Iggy gives you but he has a smooth jumpshot and is younger with sky high potential. With a second year starting PG and Center, and first year PF I see no need to trade a big part of the future in a win now or never type trade.

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robertfreeman hit the nail on

robertfreeman hit the nail on the head.. I know some of you guys are from Indiana, well im from Philly.. I have never seen this on any of the philly sites EVER.... (so the indy papers, might be on a pipedream)

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Would the sixers trade

Would the sixers trade Iguodala for Al Jefferson?

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I don't get why any sixers

I don't get why any sixers fan would be against this. I might be a little biased because I HATE Iguodala, but it's clear he stunts Evan Turner's development, and I truly believe Evan will develop to be a much better overall player than iggy. George is the kind of player who can feed off of Evan and Jrue's passing and can finish. This team clearly can't win now, and they need to develop young guys

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I don't get why any sixers

I don't get why any sixers fan would be against this. I might be a little biased because I HATE Iguodala, but it's clear he stunts Evan Turner's development, and I truly believe Evan will develop to be a much better overall player than iggy. George is the kind of player who can feed off of Evan and Jrue's passing and can finish. This team clearly can't win now, and they need to develop young guys

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we would be against it, cause

we would be against it, cause it is FAR OFF from being a pressing need...

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how is iggy's contract

how is iggy's contract situation, lack of balance on offense, and the development of our future young backcourt all not pressing needs? what do you consider a pressing need exactly? dealing iggy for george solves all of that

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to extend Indiana of

to extend Indiana of season:

after this trade they will be with like $38 million in the book, that leave them with like $20 million in cap speace, so with that say they go hard and trying to get in free agency one of those big mans, Nene Hilario or Tyson Chandler with offers of $50-$58 million for 5 years, if neither of them agree to come and instead re-sign with his current team then must settle for Samuel Dalembert but in much less money.

in additional, signing Michael Redd for $2 million, re-signing Mike Dunleavy for $3 million, re-signing Josh McRoberts for $2 million and re-signing Jeff Foster to veteran minimum.

and of course the draft, #15 pick - Trey Thompkins, #42 pick - Demetri McCamey

so there you have yours 2011/2012 Indiana Pacers:

option 1:

Darren Collison/A.J. Price/Demetri McCamey
Andre Iguodala/Michael Redd/Lance Stephenson
Danny Granger/Dahntay Jones/Mike Dunleavy
(Nene Hilario/Tyson Chandler)/Tyler Hansbrough/Josh McRoberts
Roy Hibbert/Trey Thompkins/Jeff Foster

option 2:

Darren Collison/A.J. Price/Demetri McCamey
Andre Iguodala/Michael Redd/Lance Stephenson
Danny Granger/Dahntay Jones/Mike Dunleavy
Tyler Hansbrough/Trey Thompkins/Josh McRoberts
Roy Hibbert/Samuel Dalembert/Jeff Foster

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i would do iggy for al

i would do iggy for al jefferson personally...

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pressing need - a CENTER.....

pressing need - a CENTER..... (not looking for cap relief) --Dealing iggy for George is senseless.. if thats the angle they want, then id rather just keep iggy..

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I've thought about moving Jefferson for Iggy too but...

@27 guy, I've thought about that too a lot, but one problem is that in Philly Jefferson would have to play the Center because Elton Brand plays the PF and frankly is too small to play the center (only 6'9). Jefferson is more of a 4, and I don't think Philly needs another 4. They certainly need a 5 but avikesh certainly has a point. There aren't really any teams who would be willing to trade their big man, because that position is very important in the NBA. This is why if you end up trading Iggy for a big man you are not going to get equal value. If you want to get equal value trade him for a wing, a position that is pretty easy to find and replace in both free agency and the draft.

Unless the Sixers trade Elton Brand for a Center in another trade or both Iggy and Brand are moved together in a 3 team trade with Utah as well as some other team obviously, then yes I could see it happening. But other than that I don't see Philly accepting that. We fans love it, but in the end we don't make the decisions, the GM's do.

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How is dealing iggy for

How is dealing iggy for George senseless? Shedding money makes sense. Getting younger makes sense. Getting a player who fits our offense better and is a better fit for the future MAKES SENSE. Keeping Iguodala is senseless. Evan Turner, in time, can do everything iggy can PLUS he has a better overall offensive game. Iggy makes Jrue and Evan worse, hands down

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sorry avikesh but we will

sorry avikesh but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. You make it sound like iggy is old or something..he is 27 years old (born in january of 84').. Still plenty of time.. Picking up Paul George does nothing for our immediate future.. Brand will come off the books following next year... Kapono, songalia, battie are off the books now. Nocioni also comes off the books next year.. The team went 41-41 and is a playoff team now, with much of their core in the 20-24 year old range. Adding another youngster (which we will obtain in the draft anyway, is not the answer).. We either keep iggy, and attempt to move speights and meeks or we try and move iggy alone or iggy and an additional piece.. Why take 2 steps backwards obtaining George, when we took a step forward this year in not only making the playoffs, but changing the tms mentality and approach. Dougie Collins did a fantastic job and will continue to move the team towards the 45-50 win mark next yr alone. (with brand alone coming off the books following this yr, PLENTY of money will be available in the very near future..

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sorry avikesh but we will

sorry avikesh but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. You make it sound like iggy is old or something..he is 27 years old (born in january of 84').. Still plenty of time.. Picking up Paul George does nothing for our immediate future.. Brand will come off the books following next year... Kapono, songalia, battie are off the books now. Nocioni also comes off the books next year.. The team went 41-41 and is a playoff team now, with much of their core in the 20-24 year old range. Adding another youngster (which we will obtain in the draft anyway, is not the answer).. We either keep iggy, and attempt to move speights and meeks or we try and move iggy alone or iggy and an additional piece.. Why take 2 steps backwards obtaining George, when we took a step forward this year in not only making the playoffs, but changing the tms mentality and approach. Dougie Collins did a fantastic job and will continue to move the team towards the 45-50 win mark next yr alone. (with brand alone coming off the books following this yr, PLENTY of money will be available in the very near future..

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also in reference to your

also in reference to your post, i do not want to keep igoudala LOL.. i only want to keep him based on the paul george bs yall are spitting out.. I want to move him for a BIG MAN...

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here is the problem with the Iggy for George trade...

The Sixers turned down offers for Iggy the last two years, Amare was almost traded for Iggy and as was Melo, the Sixers love Iggy and will not be swayed to let him go...yes he is a 2nd or 3rd option but he's a hall of fame type 2nd or 3rd option, give Iggy a great scorer like Kobe, Wade, Evans, Harden or Roy and he'd be as untouchable as anyone in the league, his defense and versatility was on full display in the Heat/Sixers matchup where he guarded both Lebron and Wade and was a playmaker and scorer too...this is my idea for the Sixers, Trade Thad Young and Evan Turner for JR Smith, Gallinari and Birdman plus a pick, draft Faried or Perry Jones(since he's fallen on most mock draft boards) and ride the hot hand of Jr and Gallinari(6th man type)...also we must trade Lou Williamos ASAP, I want a shooter at the backup point ...we can sign Joel Pryzbilla with the MLE...our roster would look like this...PG...Holiday/A Shooter...Sg...Smith/Meeks...Sf...Iggy/Gallo...Pf...Brand/Speights/Faried and or Perry Jones...C...Hawes/Joel/Birdman...that's a realistic option IMO...

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two more things, fellas...

We need players that can spread the floor and possibly put up big points, right now Turner and Thad can't do that, sure they can put up points but they can't carry the load for a few quarters, Smith and Gallo can shoot you into a huge lead or big time deficit, but at least they can shoot, Iggy, Holiday and Gallo are good passers and can all make Smith a better scorer...the 2nd thing is we need bigs,not just 1 big man like most people claim, signing a veteran Center for the MLE and drafting 2 young Pf's would be a good start, where we are drafting Perry Jones would be a steal if we got him, trading for another 1st rounder and getting Faried would be great also, we would get a offensive and defensive punch in a " weak draft " ...Lou Williams has to go at the end of the day, he takes too much time getting his and no one wins rings when your best 1 on 1 scorer is a 6'2 ball hog coming off the bench...trade him now for A shooter like Barea and mid to late lottery pick( Faried ) trust me, its for the best...

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scare crow i know your a

scare crow i know your a philly fan, but come on my dude... Our team is based upon a run and gun / defensive mentality, but you want Gallo, and JR smith? --- Jr smith might be a nice 6th man option, but this would completely alter the basis of what this team is currently made of. Also you bring Jr "problem child" smith near his hometown of Lakewood, NJ (went to st benedicts)... your only asking yourself for problems. This tm was problem free thi yr, and you we do not need players to give collins a headache...

as i recall jr smith was crying about playing time during his tms playoff run... We do not need another crybaby here, weve had plenty of them over the yrs..

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actually microwave, we do in

actually microwave, we do in a way agree. Trust me, I'd MUCH rather move iggy for a big guy who rebounds well and contests shots. The problem is, no guy like that is available through a trade (or at least I can't think of any). Free agency or the draft are the only 2 possible places I can see us getting a center. So, the next best option, I believe, is getting a young guy like paul george. I'm not saying iggy is old, but he's definitely in his prime, and his trade value right now is at its highest. Getting George ( who complements turner and jrue), cap relief, and a future 1st round pick is pretty good compensation. Plus, George is 3 inches taller than iggy and would give us some more size (although that probably doesn't matter too much because iggy is a more than solid defender and reboudner).

And scarecrow, dealing evan and thad for jr smith and gallo is a TERRIBLE deal. Evan and Thad do a lot of things really well, while the 2 players from the nuggets do one thing only, and that's jack up shots. I wouldn't be oppossed to dealing for gallo, but evan and thad for him is waaaaaay too much. And jr smith is a free agent we could just sign him, and perry jones isn't coming out this year

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avikesh - true... and believe

avikesh - true... and believe me im no paul george hater.. I thought he really shined in the playoffs.. Might not be a bad idea as a fallback... (id love to scoop up nene).. slightly undersized but can run the floor.. (probably wishful thinking)

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scare crow

No Sixers fan wants to give up Thad and the number 2 overal &$#%#&@! pick for one of the most overrated and unpredictable players in the NBA in JR "i have an effin Young Money tatoo on my throat" Smith and a defenseless 3/4 in Gallo. Then throw in Birdman, who is more of a freak show than anything at this point in his career plus a steep contract. How does that trade make any sense to you??????

And as far as Lou (who I am open to moving) for JJ &$#%#&@! Barea? No comment.

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Iggy for Paul George

Not a chance the Sixers would do this trade (even if $$ was irrelevant.) Iggy for PG and Roy Hibbert and Ed Stefanski might just answer the phone.

And avikesh, getting younger actually doesn't make much sense since our PG and SG of the future are only 20 and 22 and Iggy is in the middle of his prime at 27. Add in Lou at like 25 and Meeks at 23 or 24 plus a few other dudes. We need veteran leaders and Iggy is just that.

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i wonder rif either team

i wonder rif either team would be dumb enough to bite on Bargnani, I mean Paul George is a great asset in return. If Toronto could get say George, Spieghts, Posey, and Indiana's 1st for Bargnani I would be very happy.

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Veteran leadership for

Veteran leadership for what?!?! We aren't contending any time soon. Why not trade iggy, who is in his prime and while his value is at its highest. The pacers aren't going to trade Hibbert unless it's for another center. What many people fail to realize is that nowadays centers have a much higher value because of the lack of talent at that position in the nba. The only place you're going to get a center for the sixers is by getting lucky in the draft or getting lucky in free agency. Iggy in his prime doesn't make us a contendor.

This is the way I see it. You need to pick a direction. Either you pick young and go with Evan and Jrue, or you go into win now mode and go with Iggy and Brand. You can't keep iggy and jrue and evan. That's how championship teams are made. The celtics did it a couple years ago when they traded a boat load of young talent for ray and KG. The Thunder did it in the same year by building through the draft and trading ray for cap relief and picks and allowing rashard lewis to walk. The sixers are going to be stuck in mediocrity unless they pick a direction. I vote they go with the OKC route and deal Iggy and let brand's contract run out. Unless they get CP3 and Dwight ( which i doubt), they aren't going to be able to contend with the superstar power of the Heat, Knicks, Celtics, and maybe even the nets now. Put the keys of your franchise in the young guns' hands, and let them grow, while continuing to surround them with more young talent.

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