[BostonkingsParticipant]

 Celtics finally re-sign Jeff Green, it’s believed to be for 4 years and 36 million. This is huge for my Celtics, they get more firepower off the bench and more importantly, they have a back-up to Paul Pierce, which is KEY in order for the Celtics to make the Finals. I’m stoked for this deal, imo the C’s are the deepest team in the league. Danny Ainge is a boss, it’s crazy how he keeps the Celtics contenders while they rebuild on the fly! Executive of the year behind Mitch Kupchak

[WolfRobParticipant]

 Future All-Star. 

 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I’m happy that everything went well with Green’s sugery and he’s able to return. Now, he just needs to get back in NBA shape. He’ll be able to play minutes at both the three and four, which will really help the Celtics.

The Celtics have very good depth and they might be a little better offensively this season, but I’m still not sure if they’ve addressed their rebounding issues.

[TomShoeParticipant]

 I personally like Jeff Green myself, but $9 million a year seems like a lot for a guy that is OK at everything, but great at not much. I know he’s expected to develop, but that seems like a lot, considereing he’s still backing up PP34. Just for the sake of arguement, here’s his Holllinger stats.

 

+ Combo forward who can handle ball and post up against smaller players.

 

+ Subpar outside shooter. Good finisher in transition. Not a great athlete.

 

+ Was destroyed by post-up 4s. Solid wing defender against 3s. 

 

All the good news coming out of Oklahoma City seemed to mask the fact that Green was rapidly turning into a disappointment. His production leveled off after his second season and he was one of the league’s worst defenders at the power forward spot, as bigger players tore him apart on post-ups. Moreover, his pick-and-pop game wasn’t a threat because he shot under 30 percent on 3s each of the past two seasons, and he also was one of the worst rebounders at his position. 

 

The idea behind the trade to Boston is to recast Green as a wing defender who can post-up smaller 3s and make 15-footers. His shot chart changed dramatically with the Celtics, with more tries at the rim and mid-range jumpers and a dearth of 3-pointers. Overall, however, his efficiency hardly changed. 

 

What changed were his defensive results. According to 82games.com, opposing small forwards mustered only a 7.9 PER against Green with Boston and a 12.2 PER against him with Oklahoma City; the problem was that opposing power forwards shredded him for a 21.6 mark. Similarly, Green’s Synergy stats with Boston were strong, whereas with the Thunder they were awful. All of which points to the fact that Green is much better at guarding 3s than 4s. He won’t be a great player at either position, but he can defend the wing well enough to be a solid rotation player even if his offensive output continues to be relatively pedestrian, and that explains Boston’s logic in acquiring him.

 

TomShoe: I think he’s alright, but not the kind of guy I’d pay that much for, rather sign a cheap nobody that does the same thing, like say Derrick Brown. (I know you haven’t heard of him, plays for the Bobcats lol)

 

Oh well, at least it’s better than that one max contract gave out to THAT GUY…

 

 

$14.5 million to a Center that doesn’t rebound? Ugh.

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

 I don’t get the Green contract myself. He is five years into his career. His career Per 36 stats are 15 points, and a poor 6 rebounds per game (even worse than Lopez!). You get no assists, very few steals, no blocks, and as stated above he can’t guard the four. He can’t really shoot threes. And his career shooting percentage is 45% which is quite bad for a front court player. He looks the part of a basketball player, but he has never actually produced on the court. (Note, he also averaged 6.5 rebounds per game over three starting minutes years at Georgetown, the guy is mediocre at an important skill for a front court player and he also only shot 48% in college, so he isn’t an efficient scorer either.) 

He played better in Boston than in OKC, I guess. At OKC is was just obvious that Ibaka was better overall than Green and a better fit to play next to Westbrook and Durrant. But the guy has been out of the league for a year, so who else was going to give him a four year contract?

[ENOGSIWONdede]

 Jeff Green is a very good passer if you give him the ball and can of a tough cover because of quickness/post play but OKC had two big time scorers so that was a horrible fit for him really.

[Bird_YearsParticipant]

It’s ridiculous to compare his rebounding to Lopez’s as they’re different positions. 5-6 rebounds for a small forward is just fine. Plus his FG% is low because he takes a lot of threes so you have to look at his true shooting percentage which is 52.6% for his career. As he becomes a better 3pt shooter (as almost all players do throughout their careers) this will tick up.

You can argue the contract might be a little steep but it still makes sense from a team perspective to have someone competent take some minutes off the old guys so they’re fresh for the post-season and we don’t have Pierce hobbling around in 2013 like these past playoffs

[ENOGSIWONdede]

Bird he played the 4 in OKC.  4/5 are very similar positions.

[Bird_YearsParticipant]

He played the 3/4 interchangeably, and like TomShoe said, he plays the 3 much better which will be where he’ll spend most of his time in Boston because Boston has much more depth at the 4 (Brandon Bass, Jared Sullinger and KG can obviously still play it even though he played mostly centre at the end of last year) than at the 3 where we just have Pierce and maybe some minutes from Kris Joseph

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I remember him playing PF and 6 rebounds a game is bad for a PF. But you are right 6 is good for a SF. When he played SF for OKC who were the PF and C on the court at the same time? I can’t remember them rolling with Ibaka and Collins and Green at the same time, but maybe they did.

TS% is probably a better shooting percentage to focus on because Green does shoot threes. But 52% is actually a below average TS% for a SF, PF or C, or whatever you want to call him. But hey, if he can shoot like that, play D, and get even 5 rebounds a game while playing the SF position, then I will call it a great signing.

My guess is he doesn’t do anything close to this. I think he will struggle to score or defend at the SF full time. And that Sullinger and Bass are both going to be better than him at PF.

[Bird_YearsParticipant]

On a side note, apparently Boston has the funniest rookies this year. 

Fab Melo placed first and Sullinger fourth in the rookie survey, maybe Danny Ainge figures humor will keep the old guys from feeling old…

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/john_schuhmann/08/23/2012-nba-rookie-survey?ls=iref:nbahpt1

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