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Has anyone been watching? Does anyone know if there are any players coming over next year? I have been only watching a few highlights and saw this kid Jeffrey Taylor of Sweden. He did a 360 dunk out on a fast break..impressive.
I've watched a lot of it. Taylor plays with the Bobcats. Apart from turnovers he has looked pretty good and is 2nd in scoring. His handle looks like it has improved but he has been stung a few times with the difference in travelling calls between NBA and Europe.
Other players to impress me were Nihad Dedovic from Bosnia, Bojan Bogdanovic from Croatia (I think his rights are owned by the Nets). Jan Vesely has had a good tournament so far as has Nemanja Nedovic from Serbia.
Some guys not yet declared for a draft include a kid called Hakanson from Sweden who has been pretty solid. He is the youngest player in the tournament aged 17 and plays with Barcelona B.
Alessandro Gentile at least from looking at stats has been pretty good if not a little inconsistent.
Also I saw Finland beat Russia in double overtime and Petteri Koponen (drafted by Portland) looked good as well as Salu Sasin who plays at Union Olimpija in Slovenia.
i'm not sure if he could be a legit prospect or not, but i have to say that sergio llull of spain continues to play well in international play. i think he is good enough to play in the league, but might not be good enough to be in the league as a consistent contributer. that voice of reason might give him more incentive to just stay in spain. spain crushed georgia this morning and he seemed to be yet once again that player on spain with no nba experience that is very effective. of course gasol, rubio, and sergio rodriguez and rudy fernandez did their things.
on a side note, spain is tough and they are closer to the nba than some realize. no spain is not the nba, but pre season last year (i know it's pre season) some of those teams played well against nba teams. if you look back at the 2012 olympics, that ricky rubio-less spaniard team gave usa a run for their money. i think those teams are slightly better than nbdl teams. somewhere in between nbdl teams and nba teams. and there are other international leagues that are on the same par as the spanish.
Yes, Llull is good and his game is suited for the NBA since he is a good athlete, with good size who's expertise is slashing to the hoop. The Rockets currently own his rights if I'm not mistaken and I think he'd be a better NBA PG than J.Lin.
And talk about underestimation, the majority of these teams would crush DLeague teams. They have experience playing together and have chemistry for the most part, unlike DLeague teams which are comprised of players just trying to showcase themselves. The games wouldn't even be competitive. The Spanish team in particular would be a playoff team in the NBA, especially at full strength.
Slightly better than NBDL teams? I assure you than any Euroleague team would crush NBDL teams.
really? just crush them? so are you just completely discrediting the nbdl, a league in which there are also some of the best former college players? i mean there are definitely better leagues, but it's not thaaaaaaaaaaaat much better. i actually wouldn't mind watching an 8 team tournament featuring the top 2 euro club teams, the bottom 2 nba teams, the top 2 college teams (particularly in a strong class like this) and the top 2 nbdl teams. i have an idea how they would rank, but i wouldn't really know for sure unless i witnessed it. guys like fab melo, malcolm thomas or julian wright may not have a place in the nba for now or forever, but i bet they would hold their own against european competition. many guys like that play overseas and have fine careers over there. what i mean by slight is what i stated, somewhere in between the nbdl and nba is good european club teams. i stand by it. so whatever your claim that they would "crush" an nbdl team, where's the back up on your claim??? or are you just projecting what you think you know? different styles play a role in how a player would do in certain leagues as well. llull is a good player, but there's no nba experience. there's international experience, but i would take fernandez or rodriguez over him personally on a team. as leagues rank nba is without a doubt on top, followed by international play, followed by nbdl, followed by a strong college conference. one league notch is not thaaaaaaaaaaat far up-sorry. say what you want, but i don't see anything on how you can back up your claim or even speculation. imo, if you took an nbdl team and they had an exhibition game right after the nbdl season and it happened to be right before the euro baskteball league started, they would fair about as well as a euro league team would do against an nba team right after euro league season and before nba pre season. basically a rusty but better squad playing against an inferior-yet basketball ready squad.
Yes, these national teams would crush DLeague teams. It wouldn't even be close. The quality of play in the DLeague is pretty awful. There's very little synergy since most players are playing for themselves. Achieving team goals or success doesn't get you noticed there. Individual performance does. The best teams in Europe have better coaching, better structure, more continuity, familiarity, more experience AND better talent.
Yes the DLeague has good former college players, but it is also full of college players who can't get guaranteed contracts overseas. Think about it. DLeague players play for peanuts. Coaches coach for peanuts. You have to be pretty desperate to sign with a DLeague team when there are much better paying options elsewhere.
The gap b/t DL teams and NBA teams is pretty huge. Saying that Euro teams fall somewhere in b/t isn't saying much at all.
the talent level isn't the difference. what makes the international club teams better are what you eluded to earlier in which they are used to playing with each other more giving them better continuity and experience. but a better nbdl team has some continuity and the talent level is there. they could make a game of it. even the bobcats have a chance a beating the heat. not very likely, but there's always that chance. but to say so matter of factly something that has not been proven yet is not so matter of fact. you can't say honestly that a player like jerel mcneal would suck donkey balls if he were on a spanish team. he could challenge in that league. he might even be able to start on a team there. heck, he could challenge some roster fillers in the nba right now. it's really not that far off. i would bet on a club team like barcelona, but i'm saying you just never know on that one. now if you are including current nba players say on team spain, that's a different story. yes, both gasols' and ibaka added to that roster would crush a lot of teams. that's great talent and continuity like the nba. but barcelona vs bakersfield would be like last year's louisville team against fgcu. louisville is clearly better, but you just never know. every dawg has it's day.
Oh, so what your argument boils down to is...
that made me laugh... differences aside on the subject, i actually went out of my way to +1 you. lmao!
In 2011/12 McNeal played in Italy (a decent league, not as strong as Spanish, but decent), for a team that finished 15th out of 17 teams!! He averaged 10.7 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.3 assists. There's a reason he's in the NBDL.
You are unbelievably delusional. No words even...............
The thought of D-League teams competing with top European national teams or best clubs like Barca........
Sergey Karasev looked so mature on the court, Cavs have a gem.
whilst i've been crying into my tea watching this GB team struggle without Luol Deng, Joel Freeland and Pops Mensah-Bonsu, one bright spot has been the emergence of Deven Van Oostrum.
DVO is ranked #5 in the International '93 class on the other site, has killed it with the under 20s, and has put up a solid 7/3/2 line in 20 mins (the assists would be higher if his teammates could score!). He also came through in the clutch to ice a win against Germany with a massive three with 50 seconds to go.
He's a dark horse to be a decent prospect in the next few years- he has the athleticism to play the 1 in the big leagues, just needs to work on that jumper and needs to stop forcing the action.
I like some of what Van Oostrum can do. He has good ability breaking guys down to get to the hoop..
The way Britain struggles to get its best players in the squad at the same time is really annoying.
The D-League teams could not even beat second division teams in Spain and Greece.
They would lose by 30 points MINIMUM to even the worst Euroleague team.
Some comments in this forum never cease to amaze in their stupidity.