[The Splash DocParticipant]

As much as I would love this backcourt to work I honestly cant see it happening. Turner is a ball dominate player likewise for Holiday

So the question is who would you keep and who would you trade and what you expect in return.

I’d keep Holiday mainly because I’d be easier to move Turner and you’d get more in return and Holiday is a future all star and some say the next Gary Payton.

I would trade Turner to a team like Minnesota and ask for Love, Johnson and rights to Rubio and add in Igoudala.I’d take the rights to Rubio as a trade asset

what would you guys do 

[sammybuckeye13Participant]

 I think the real problem (if you wanna call it that) is the Turner/Iggy dynamic, not Holiday/Turner, so trading both Turner and Iggy to Minnesota would just create that same problem there. Also, asking for a PF/C, swingman and PG for two very similar swingman is a bit unrealistic. 

[Zeke33Participant]

How can u say that about Turner when he hasnt played an NBA game yet? in college of course he was. Anyone whos THE GUY in college is a ball dominate player at a guard position. Turner is a great versatile player which means he can find other ways to be effective in the NBA which he will have to because i honestly dont think he will take over like he did in college.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Unless I’m getting back a young defensive Center with the impact a guy like Turner is (2nd overall pick and potential to be a Brandon Roy Sg/Pg)…I think the only real problem is the fact that Turner cant hit the catch and shoot three and his jumper overall isn’t quite ready to be counted on as the # 1 guy…they can use a year or two to really let Turner grow into that role and use him in the same way the Thunder use James Harden and the Spurs do Manu…Let Turner come off the bench and have an impact on the game for 5 to 8 minute spurts…I a perfect world you Keep Holiday/Turner/Iguadola/Thad and Lou Williams…Hoping the Sixers get a young Center in the Draft or FA…

If I’m trading Turner…Big If…I’m looking for shooter,a defensive Big man and a pick…

One scenario would be this…Turner and Kapono for Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill and their 1st rounder(late first round pick, and the right to swap picks with the Knicks…Martin is that catch and shoot threat and can be the Sixers leading scorer without dominating the Ball at all…Hill provides them with another big,hefully he pushes Speights and they become a good Big man core with Hawes and Brand…The Pick will have to be used along with theirs if need be to get a shot bolcking Center for the Future, a Hassan Whiteside if you will…Losing Turner for Martin and Hill and the 1st round pick wouldn’t hurt for a Sixers or Rockets fan…With Brooks you have the need for a real Creator in Houston…a guy that can in a way be a TMac type and be a dual threat to score and pass…He and Brooks would be a nice backcourt for the Future with Budinger hopefully becoming a good Sf…Yao and Scola are bookmark bigs and getting UK’s Patterson makes losing Hill a non factor…The pick is the make or break part of the deal…I’d really want to stick it the Knicks by taking their pick…I don’t Morey would mind that….

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

.Turner and Kapono for Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill and their 1st rounder

That…is a terrible deal. Your not gonna rob Morey, he’s a numbers guy.

Also, why not just play Turner at the 2 and Holiday at the 1? Move Iggy and call it a day?

[The Splash DocParticipant]

Iggy and ET would be in the triangle in Minny so they’d work better together Ridnour would act as the Fisher/Blake guy they would need a true PF to replace Love, Beasley could be Odom and Darko is Darko.

And its not unrealistic Minny wanted ET and would take him if they could Iggy is versatile player who can play off the ball and be the Pippen type for the triangle Philly has 2 problems Holiday/Turner and Iggy/Young both Holiday and Turner need the ball and Iggy and Young are both 3 men

[JNixonParticipant]

Everyone should just wait for the season to start and see then. It’s so funny to me that Turner is already talking about being traded before he has played even 1 NBA game. It’s OK to pick up on things he needs to work on and how he’ll mesh with Philly as a rookie based on things from Summer League, but y’all are really talking about trading the No.2 pick before PRESEASON has even started lol. Turner is going to do just fine I bet. Y’all are overreacting like hell right now

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

Love,  Johnson and Rubio?    For Turner and Iggy?   First off,   contracts won’t match-up.   2nd of all,  Iggy has recovered his value since being on the USA fiba team,  but a rebuilding team like the Wolves does not give up 3 young players like that for a Vet and another rook.

 

[ChrischiParticipant]

I wouldn’t play Iggy, Turner and Jrue together at the same time too much. I would bring Turner off the bench as a 6th man, to give him more minutes where he can dominate the ball, until he is able to play off the ball effectivly. I don’t think you have to necessarly trade any of them right now. Lets see how things look in 2-3 months.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Before my internet was reset I went to edit the trade a bit…

Turner, Thad Young and Kapono (7 Million in Exping Cash ) for Kevin Martin, Jordan Hill and The Pick…

The Rockets lacka True Playmaker and real Sf for the Forward,unless you count Budinger as the Sf of the Future…

If Morey looks at the Numbers he sheds Martins 10 million for the next 3 or 4 years,I believe it’s three for a Sg who plays better with your catch and shoot/scoring Pg Aaron Brooks…Kapono’s 7 million in expiring cash looks very nice when you get 2 stud starters for K.Martin( Thad would become a Stud in Houston ) Jordan Hill is a role player and they have a good big Lineup with Scola,Yao,Patterson,Miller and Hayes…The NY is basically Thad Young for a pick in the late teens early 20’s…the Sixers have a logjam at Sf and could use the pick to find a Center…Houston lacks a Real play maker and Turner brings that has the # 2 pick the draft…although he not the athlete TMac was and nor will he ever be, he does have the overall game to be the best passer and creator for the Rockets out the gate…

The Line Up’s would look like This…

Holiday-Martin-Iguadola-Brand-Hawes-Speights-Hill-Lou Will-Nocioni-Meeks and 2 Draft Picks( One of which has to be Defensive Center…Fab Melo or insert name here??? With our pick we’d go for the BPA and maybe trade Iguadola and the pick for top 5 Pick( Perry Jones???)

Brooks-Turner-Young-Scola-Yao-Lee-Miller-Patterson-Hayes-Budinger and others who I may be leaving out…

IMO it’s a win/win…The Rockets get a Creator and stud SF for the Future…They only lose Martin’s shooting and you have plenty of that on the bench still…Hill was probally the 4th or 5th big man in the rotation…the pick will only be in the late teen or early 20’s…The Sixers lose their # 2 pick for a sharp shooter to start alongside Holiday and Iguadola…He doesn’t need the ball and plays right into Holiday and Iggy’s game of creating…Hill is added to a front court looking for toughness and talent…The Pick will surely help net a Shot Blocker if they are deligent…The pick we get will be a late lottery or late teens pick too…unless we suck ass and get a top ten which I can only see If Holiday or Iggy goes down to an Injury… Rockets will be set at Pg/Sg/Sf/Pf and C( If Yao holds up) The Expiring cash makes it a wash and you can jump back into the FA market if your Houston…The Sixers will only need to find a great shot blocker with two 1st rounders and Lou Williams to do It…

I’d only trade the NY Pick and Lou Williams for a shot Blocking Big and draft a PG with The Philadelphia pick…

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Let me ask you a SERIOUS question Scarecrow.

The Knicks are gonna be a top 5 pick team next season? For real?

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

It’s not out the realm of possibilties…This is a business and Money never sleeps…We can wait and play out the season or we Trade for Super Star X and become relavant..

You can always wait it out and see…

I said I’d start Turner on the Bench and play him like The Thunder do Harden while Iggy or Holiday takes a rest…Turner could do very well in that role from day 1…Starting Holiday,Iggy and Thad makes sense because they are all top flight athletes and this is a contract year for Thad…See what he has as a Starting Sf in the NBA…test his value before you make a move…smart right??? Yeah I think they wait it out…But if a deal presented itself and the Sixers were coming out with some pieces that fit a little better than before heah…I believe in what’s being done in Philadelphia…If Brands contract wasn’t so horrible and were to restructure that thing before next summer we’d be a prime place for Super Star X to sign…We’d become the Thunders East if Melo where to Sign in Philadelphia…some South Philly don needs to put a gun to Elton’s head and tell to restruture that deal and take the Full MLE for the last 3 years of  the deal…Let them sign a player of Melo’s stature and lead by example going into the New CBA…Brand’s always been a stand up guy…I would hope some where in some one’s mind in the Franchise that this issue came up….

[ghettosermonParticipant]

Wow ok lets slow down on this Jrue Holiday hype. Future allstar? Next Gary Payton? Lets see him become a solid PG first. He really hasn’t proved anything yet other than some sporadic good games last year and a good offseason. Despite all the hype he still is a guy who only averaged 8 points and 3.8 apg in a solid 24 mpg last year. He was ranked 62nd in AST/TO ratio, he was the 196th ranked player in player effeciency.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

I said the Knicks pick will likely be a late teen’s early twenties pick…They are possibly a top 6 seed in the East if all goes right…What you may have thought was I said was for the Sixers to Then Couple The Pick from NY with Lou Williams or Iguadola if you can get high enough in the Draft for Perry Jones type top 10 talent…I never said the Knicks pick would be that High…late Teen’s early 20’s…that’s why it’s not huge deal for the Rockets to part with it…

Think about this…they lose Martin’s 30 over 3 years and get Turner to take his place( a better fit and # 2 pick )

They get Thad for the Pick(late Teen’s early 20’s) and Hill and Kapono are fillers except Kapono’s deal expires and Lets you go after someone else in Free Agency…Martin is not a creator, Brooks can play off the ball and let Turner do his thing…Thad Young will be a stud Sf in Houston with Brooks and Turner and a guy named Yao Ming…Scola is the tough and talented unsung hero on the Rockets…The also have a deep bench with a ton of shooters and Patterson a steal from Kentucky…That deal makes me think the Sixers are getting robbed when I think about longer…Though Martin is a deadly shooter and can be a better fit next to Iggy and Jrue..,Hill can push M16 and become a nice role player…The Houston/NY Pick can get a FaB Melo and the Philly pick can get a great backup PG like Malik Wynns,Corey Fisher or Malcolm Lee…I’d deal Lou Williams for a bigger Sg on the bench at that point….Maybe a pick in the late teens for guy like Tyler Honeycutt from UCLA…

Fab Melo-Malcolm Lee and Tyler Honeycutt would be a nice trio of prospects to add to a core of

Holiday-Martin-Iggy-Brand-Hawes-Speights-Hill and Nocioni…Give me the UCLA guys and Fab Melo with a few late teen picks and a trade of Lou Williams…

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

I think the better question for this thread is, should Turner be running the Point instead of Holiday?  Because to be honest, Holiday is one of the most overrated prospects, hes been overrated even back in high school.  Everyone makes it out as if Holiday is entitled to be the future PG for the Sixers, he hasnt done anything to solidify it and he didnt show it to me in college either.  Don’t get me wrong, Holiday is an excellent defensive PG but other than that, I have major questions about his PG skills, why should Turner be on the trading block (as the thread starter suggest or mention)?  Turner actually has better PG skills than Holiday right now.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

I want them both …Holiday and Turner have enough versatility to play anywhere on the court…It’s about team need in my opinion of the situation…who fills the bigger need…I think Holiday has to be given the chance to break out this year and next…I feel like Turner has to have the ball in his hands but so does Roy and him and Miller played well late in the Season…If they both live up to the potential you have a Payton/Roy combo at guard with Iguadola has a Scottie at the Sf…Thad could be a Kukoc type(with less passing abilty of course) on the bench…The just play it out and see if we get the C or Pf of our dreams through the draft…The Teams biggest need is a great Center or low post threat( we pray that Brand can be solid and Speights wakes up and becomes a force)…We are loaded at the Pg/Sg and Sf positions and we can trade away one of the core guys for a young Center…That’s what needs to be addressed at some point…why not now…One team that has a young C and pick to deal possibly is The Kings…They need a Pg and Sf and Thad and Lou Will for Whiteside and 1st rounder would be a great deal for both teams…they stay young and get 2 great pieces and potential Starters…We’d get that young Center/shot blocker and pick to justify trading two stud scorers…another team with a need at Sf is The Clippers…Thad and Lou Wills for a combo of Jordan,Bledsoe or Warren and 1st round pick…

[llperez]

yeah, this is WAY too early to start talking about trades and how turner is gonna develop as a player. Its possible he gets his jumper down a little and he becomes an all-star caliber player and he and holiday learn to make it work. Give this some time.

[llperez]

mess.ee, turner does not have better pg skills then holiday right now. If he did, you wouldnt be reading about how he is gonna come off thebench in the same article that both collins and iggy are calling holiday a top 5 pg.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

hahahahahaha Jrue Holiday the ”’next Gary Payton”’ hahahahahahaha

wait let me catch my breath… ok  hahahahahahaha

since when does playing well in the Summer League make you a Future Hall of Famer?

[ChewyParticipant]

ball dominate in his last yr at Ohio State because thats what the team needed. He has never played a season like that before and probably never will again. If you ever saw Evan before last year then you wouldnt make a statment like that. Please, please can everyone stop assuming he is a ball hog simply because he dominated college ball last year. Thats what the national player of the year is SUPOSSED to do.

[llperez]

chewy, when people say he is ball dominant, i dont think they are calling him a ball hog. Everyone knows or should know turner is not a ball hog. BUt he needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

[ChewyParticipant]

but I never saw him as a player that needed the ball. For two years at OSU (and 4 yrs at St. Joes) he was able able to move within an offense and get his shot in less than 3 dribbles. His shooting motion is solid now, but is slow and certianly doesn’t have NBA range. I think his above average rebounding (for his position) and court vision will be what translates best in the NBA compared to his scoring and slashing.

IMO I think his game is more about intangibles than scoring and thats why I know some people will be dissapointed in him if they only look at the box score.

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