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Evaluation of a few teams

#1) Boston College is absolutely horrible. They have 1win against New Hampshire, and it was by 3 points. They got destroyed by Holy Cross, and got destroyed by UMass (UMass is actually pretty decent). Their 7 foot freshman Dennis Clifford is mediocre at best and is having a really tough time scoring in the post against UC-Riverside. All of their new players are having a tough time adjusting to college basketball and I wouldn't be surprised if BC won less than 3 games in conference play.

#2) Valparaiso looks pretty nice so far with quality wins over Akron and Duquesne. They lost their leading scorer in Brandon Wood, but Kevin Van Wijk has really stepped up his play since last season and is averaging over 17 ppg. Valpo is 5-1 so far, and I think they definitely have a shot at the NCAA tournament.

#3) Saint Joeseph's is going to be a good deal better this year than they were last year. They are a very young team and don't have one senior. Their best player is easily Carl Jones, who is a scoring point guard who averaged 17ppg as a freshman last season. They have also have sophomore Langston Galloway who also is very impressive. Their best NBA prospect is probably C.J. Aiken becasue of his length, shot blocking ability, and 3 point touch for a PF. He is also versatile and might be able to play SF if he improved his ball handling. St. Joes' has a quality win over Tulsa and really gave Iona a run for their money. I do not expect St. Joe's to finish below 6th or 7th in the A-10.

#4) Old Dominion is good, but they aren't nearly as good as the team they had last year. ODU's team this year is very unstable I think because besides Kent Bazemore they do not have a realiable scorer. Chris Cooper can rebound the basketball and score at times, but is not a reliable offensive threat. Marquel de Lancey and Nick Wright are two returning players that have increased roles, but are not consistently good scorers. I am a huge Old Dominion fan but I think that they are probably the 2nd or 3rd best team in the CAA.

Do you think that these evaluations are accurate? Who do you think is poised for a great season or a dissapointing season?


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Yep, BC is terrible. Two free

Yep, BC is terrible. Two free wins for Maryland I guess. :)

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Team Evaluations

Seton Hall Pirates- A nice 5-1 start to the season after a disappointing one last year. They've got a dominant inside presence in Herb Pope who's a double-double machine averaging over 21 points and 11 rebounds in the Pirate's first 6 games. They've got Jordan Theodore at the helm of the ship who's a scoring point guard with the ability to also create for his teammates. The Pirates have impressed me in the early going of the season and if they continue strong into conference play I believe that after 7 year tourney drought, that Seton Hall can return to the NCAA's.

Missouri Tigers- The Tigers looked great in their 39-point dispatch of Cal. They play some of the most stifling defense in the country and they play together as a unit better than any team in college basketball. Mizzou plays with incredible energy and they're a very unselfish team with only one goal: to win. The Tigers are a very hungry bunch and they're for sure one of the top 15 basketball teams in the country. I could see a deep tourney run and an Elite 8 appearance out of Missouri.

Coastal Carolina Chanticleers- The Chanticleers have picked up right where they left off last year with a 5-0 start after posting a school record 28 wins the previous season. They already have upset wins against Clemson and LSU. Their strength of schedule is about as weak as it gets but I believe this team is legit. Last year they should have received the bid for the Big South, being #1 in regular season play at 16-2, but suffered a loss in the conference championship to UNC-Asheville, which was largely due to the fact that they didn't have their leading scorer, Desmond Holloway and starting point guard, Kierre Greenwood. After one their best seasons in school history, I believe the Chants will follow it up with another strong season and a tournament appearance.

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DWill 8

Dwill 8 you said that Mizzou is a "very" unselfish team. If Missouri is so unselfish then why do 124 teams in men's college basketball average more assists per game than them? Missouri is undoubtedly a top 15 team and is extremely good, but I'am not sure I would call them "a very unselfish team".

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There is more to

There is more to unselfishness than assists. Much more. Every made basket doesn't have assists, but alot of them involve ball movement.

They don't have a single player who is a chucker, they hold each other accountable on both ends and have each others back more than just about any team I've watched this year. No ego on the team. They are the most experienced team in the Big 12, and it shows with their familiarity and trust in one another. Kim English even said this is the most selfless team he's ever played on. I think they have a chance to take the Big 12 title from KU.

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Just because they don't lead the nation in assists doesn't make them a not unselfish team. They're good at making the extra pass and they care a lot about their teammates and always have their back on defense and offense, which is what makes them an elite team. When I said they were unselfish I didn't necessarily mean that they lead the nation in assists, I meant more along the lines that they share the ball well and that they don't really care who scores the most points and they don't care much for individual stats, they just care about competing hard and doing whatever it takes to make sure they have success collectively. I'm sorry if what I said was misleading to you and I'll focus on making my posts more easy to understand.

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Wow

The both of you made me sound like a moron who doesn't know about basketball. I love basketball, I'm a basketball player and I know every possession doesn't have assists in them. And I've seen Missouri play and they are an elite team, and they are disciplined and often make the extra pass. All I was trying to say is that I do not think they are a very unselfish team. I probably do not view Missouri as a very unselfish team because I have different standards of a "very" unselfish team. I consider UNC, Duke, and Pitt as "very" unselfish teams. Missouri is a well disciplined team and I have great respect for their program. I feel like their team this year does a lot of attacking off the dribble and is great at attacking the defense and making plays, and that is why I feel that Mizzou is not neccessarily that much more unselfish than any other team. And I apoligize for sounding ignorant before, and maybe I should try to make my points easier to understand.

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I didn't try to make you sound

I didn't try to make you sound like someone who doesn't know about basketball, it's just that we obviously have different opinions on what makes a team unselfish and I was just reinforcing my point I previously made. But no matter what argument you make it's not going to change that FACT that Missouri is a very unselfish ball club.

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Alright

Alright, I thought we just made truce, and like you said we both have different OPINIONS, and mine is that Mizzou is not a VERY unselfish team. They are average or maybe a bit above. And if it is a "fact" that Missouri is so unselfish then back it up with some FACTS.

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Besides what Kim English

Besides what Kim English said about this team being the most unselfish team he's ever played on, I guess I can't prove to you in FACTS that Missouri is an elite team in regards to their unselfishness, but things like their good ball and player movement and their willingness and unselfishness to play great defense and share the ball on offense can't be shown in a box score because a box score won't show things like how many passes a team had per possession and how many good looks a team had but didn't know them down but were created by unselfishness to find the open man. Or on defense a box score won't show how many times a player stepped in and picked up a man that wasn't their man but stepped in anyway because they'd rather help out their teammate and stop penetration rather than give up an open 3 which is a lower percentage shot than an uncontested layup. Or how a team talks to each other on defense so they know where each other are and where to be so they have the best chance to get a stop which is what all good, unselfish teams do. So, no I cannot prove to you in facts, but I can tell you that Missouri pays attention to details and does all of the little things that nobody wants to do in order to achieve success as a team.

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DWill 8 you act like Missouri

DWill 8 you act like Missouri is the only team in college basketball who talks on defense, makes the extra pass, moves without the ball, steps in to take a charge, and plays with energy. Every single player on every single Divison 1 basketball team has made sacrifices and has had to become an unselfish player in order to help their team win. And I have respect for your arguement, but none of the things you said proves that Mizzou is a more unselfish team than any other team because all of the D1 teams execute on offense and defense, and play with unselfishness. And I can tell you right now that Missouri doesn't play with more unselfishness than teams like Duke, Pitt, UNC, Purdue, and Old Dominion, and is not much above average team in regards to being unselfish.

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I'm not acting like that

I'm not acting like that at all. I obviously know that most college players do those things or they would not be playing at this level. (Also you made an incorrect generalization about every D1 team executing on defense and offense, because not all of them do and that's what separates D1 teams amongst themselves, but that's not I am arguing with you about.) What I am saying is that Missouri does all those things, but to a much higher extent. They talk more and louder and not just one possession but every possession and they play with as much passion and energy as any team in the country. And I guess I cannot prove to you that Missouri does these things better than most other teams, you will just have to watch more closely, as to what they do when you see them play next.

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You are 110% wrong

You are 110% wrong about all D1 teams do not execute on defense and offense. There are obviously possesions were things fall apart and there are games where the opposing team causes havoc and disrupts execution, but every single D1 program has an offense and runs it accordingly. And what sepertates D1 teams is not execution it is in fact personel. By that I mean a coach that runs a better offense that suits his players, or just the big name players going to the big name schools and the smaller schools do not get the 5 star recruits that is what seperates Duke from Stony Brook. You keep saying that you cannot prove these things to me; like Mizzou being a "very" unselfish team, and that I need to pay closer attention. Well it is in fact you need to play closer attention, and see that Missouri is not much louder or unselfish than the average team because I saw many mid major teams that communicate better, execute better, and play harder than missouri, but they might not get that W in the win column because they do not have the kind of athleticism or skill that Missouri brings in year in and year out because they are not as big a school. And I keep feeling like i'am hating on Missouri but i am not it is just that you are thick and can't seem to understand that other teams are just as unselfish as the Missouri tigers.

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First of all I wasn't saying

First of all I wasn't saying that not all D1 teams don't execute an offense or defensive game plan because they do. I am saying that what separates a team like Missouri from the rest of the pack is HOW they execute. They execute on O and D unselfishly and more disciplined than most other teams. You are wrong, I do understand that other teams are as unselfish as Mizzou but there are only a handful of them. And you are also 110% wrong because execution is almost as important as what kind of recruits you get. If execution does not separate D1 schools, then how was a team like Butler the last 2 years and VCU last year able to make it to the Final 4. They didn't have the most athletic players in the world or the highest recruits, but they executed their offensive and defensive game plan and that is how they got as far as they did.

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This whole time

This whole time you have been saying how Missouri does this and that better than other teams. You say that they execute with more intensity and unselfishness than other teams but give me an example! I bet a lot of money you haven't seen more than 5 Mizzou games and you automatically think that you know them because you saw them make a momentum play and you saw their players clapping on defense and getting energized. I can name more than a handful of teams that play with more intensity, execute better, and play more unselfishly than Missouri. The tigers are an elite team because they have great personnel. They have a heck of a coach, and 3 or more NBA prospects on their squad. And it is every now and then that the big name schools miss out on guys that end up going to the NBA or making a certain team a special team. Your example of Butler's teams with Hayward and Mack are not just valid for your case but for mine too because Butler executed very well, and was very unselfish, but they had the personnel to in a great head coach and 2 NBA players. I got off topic with all of these side arguements, but I will tell you time after time after time that Missouri is not a "very" unselfish team, and that they are slightly above average if that. Because every D1 player on every D1 team is unselfish, and plays hard, and talks on both ends of the floor, and does what they can do help their team.

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What makes you so damn educated

What makes you so damn educated about how Missouri plays, I bet you haven't watched one freaking game that they have played. You keep telling me to give you facts and prove how unselfish they are and I've repeated time and time again and you just keep telling me that I'm wrong, how about you tell me how they're not that unselfish and I'd like to hear you name "more than a handful of teams" that are more unselfish than them, because apparently you have seen, "MANY mid-major teams that are more unselfish than Mizzou?". Now, I happen to like Missouri and I watch them very closely when I see them play and they ARE, all game long, full of energy and play unselfishly. We could literally argue about this forever because you are just too dense. Also, how can you make a generalization that every D1 player on every D1 team is unselfish? Have you seen every single player play enough to know that he is not a selfish player? I didn't think so.

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YOU &$#%#&@! IDIOT

YOU &$#%#&@! IDIOT! I tell you to give me examples of how the Missouri players and team display more unselfishness than an average team, to show me that you might have actually watched them more than once! like who does what! But you keep telling me that they play with more intensity and move the ball, and are unselfish. Well guess &$#%#&@! what! And I sound like a broken record when I say this but Every D1 team executes on offense and defense and plays unselfishly. I seen William and Mary play Syracuse and heard their guys communicating on defense, and playing "very" unselfishly, and I can tell you that there is a difference in the level of unselfishness between the tigers and the tribe and that being that the tribe is more unselfish. You are also an idiot &$#%#&@! because you do not seem to understand that 99.99% of D1 players is classified as unselfish because I have seen so many different teams play it is not funny, and every D1 team is disciplined, and unselfish. And I will name more than a handful of mid majors more unselfish than Missouri.

Old Dominion, Richmond, George Washington, William and Mary, Duquesne, Akron, Butler, Presbyterian, Columbia, Temple, Saint Louis, Drexel, Wichita State, Lehigh, and the list goes on.

This should about sum it up that Mizzou is a very talented team, but they ARE NOT a "VERY" unselfish team.

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Okay you're literally

Okay you're literally retarded. I'm not arguing with you anymore. You keep repeating the same stupid &$#%#&@! and they're not even valid points. Also you must be on some good crack because not one of the teams is more unselfish than Missouri. Missouri is a very unselfish team and I guarantee if we took some sort of survey about 99% of the people would say Mizzou is very unselfish. WOW, you are a &$#%#&@! moron, I can't believe I wasted that much &$#%#&@! time arguing with you. You have to be the worst, least educated poster I've ever seen on this site.

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HOLY &$#%#&@!

HOLY &$#%#&@!! My points are completely valid you dumbass &$#%#&@!! You obviously do not understand that EVERY SINGLE Division 1 basketball team does indeed execute an offense and play with activity and unselfishness. Obviously Missouri is FAR from a selfish basketball team, but I WILL NOT say they are "Very" unselfish. Honestly EVERY SINGLE team in Division 1 basketball plays with discipline and rotates on defense, and everything else you said about Missouri, but Missouri doesn't do it any better than ANY of the teams I named before. They're unselfish but when you measure it against other teams like Pitt, Duke, UNC, Ohio State, Kansas etc. they do not measure up, and you need to watch a lot more carefully to the games and you would see that if you measured mizzou's unselfishness with all of the other teams you will find it isn't much above average.

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wow, this got out of hand

wow, this got out of hand real quick

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And the thing is, they aren't

And the thing is, they aren't even arguing about anything.

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