[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Is anybody following the top 50 college coaches on espn.com?  I first want to say as a North Carolina fan obviously, I am embarrassed at allegations from McCants about sham classes and taking classes that he didn’t go to class for and having tutors write papers for him.  I think a lot of what he saying is true.  I don’t know if Roy knew about it, but I think North Carolina has seriously dropped the ball on academics recently.

With all that being said as an intro. I am stunned that they ranked Roy the 16th best coach in the country, behind guys like Sean Miller, Tony Bennett, and Shaka Smart with zero national titles between them.  Ol Roy is far from perfect, he’s said some head scratching things, comparing his 2010 NIT title team to the earthquakes in Haiti.  Ugh.  He’s missed out on top recruits recently and Carolina hasnt been elite since 2009 basically.  What he has is multiple nationa titles, 7 final fours, countless regular season titles at Kansas and North Carolina and many national coach of the year awards.  He’s a hall of famer as well. He was also recently polled as the most overrated coach in the country.  People say he’s a system coach that can only win with talent.  What coach wins national titles and goes to final fours without talent?  I believe Roy gets unfairly bashed sometimes.  He’s not the best coach out there, a John Wooden or Bob Knight he will never be but 16 is an embarrassment.  

 

[DipoTimeParticipant]

 If we are talking about overall achievements and his coaching career then yeah I agree with you. If we are talking about how good of a coach he is right now, then I would definitely put him in that 15-20 range without hesitation. Great coaches get overlooked just because they are at a smaller school or dont get top talent recruits.

I honestly think his coaching has slipped the last 5 years or so. Now his recruiting is still up there. He can motivate his team from time to time as well, but strictly talking X’s and O’s I dont think hes that great.

[DipoTimeParticipant]

 If we are talking about overall achievements and his coaching career then yeah I agree with you. If we are talking about how good of a coach he is right now, then I would definitely put him in that 15-20 range without hesitation. Great coaches get overlooked just because they are at a smaller school or dont get top talent recruits.

I honestly think his coaching has slipped the last 5 years or so. Now his recruiting is still up there. He can motivate his team from time to time as well, but strictly talking X’s and O’s I dont think hes that great.

[TenSecondTomParticipant]

 I agree with Dipo on this. If you are talking about historically, sure he is at the top of the list. Currently, there are many younger coaches that probably are more equipped to handle college athletes like Miller and Smart. As far as McCants goes, I believe him 100%. Why would he randomly decide to come out with these allegations and show his transcript to prove it?

[TenSecondTomParticipant]

 I agree with Dipo on this. If you are talking about historically, sure he is at the top of the list. Currently, there are many younger coaches that probably are more equipped to handle college athletes like Miller and Smart. As far as McCants goes, I believe him 100%. Why would he randomly decide to come out with these allegations and show his transcript to prove it?

[tuck243Participant]

Unless Roy has NBA starting caliber players at damn near every position including as a 6th man, he doesn’t do too well…  Especially the last 4 years or so…  I also think what’s killing him is North Carolina’s inabilty to produce NBA stars anymore (alot of the guys recently haven’t produced)…  16 is a bit harsh, but I can see why…   

Question: Where was Rick Barnes on that list?

  

[tuck243Participant]

Unless Roy has NBA starting caliber players at damn near every position including as a 6th man, he doesn’t do too well…  Especially the last 4 years or so…  I also think what’s killing him is North Carolina’s inabilty to produce NBA stars anymore (alot of the guys recently haven’t produced)…  16 is a bit harsh, but I can see why…   

Question: Where was Rick Barnes on that list?

  

[MattP31Participant]

 I’m not a fan of this list either. I agree with you guys about Roy Williams but the list as a whole just seems off to me

[MattP31Participant]

 I’m not a fan of this list either. I agree with you guys about Roy Williams but the list as a whole just seems off to me

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I’ll also say that since Roy has come to Carolina, he has twice as many ACC regular season titles, 6 to 3, and twice as many national titles, 2 to 1, as the top guy on the list…..Coach K.  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I’ll also say that since Roy has come to Carolina, he has twice as many ACC regular season titles, 6 to 3, and twice as many national titles, 2 to 1, as the top guy on the list…..Coach K.  

[tuck243Participant]

Look at how deep Roy’s teams were…  Also, look at his off years…  With a particular view towards his last 5 years when Lawson and Pyshco T left…  I think Roy just as people view Coach Cal, isn’t as good without top recruiting classes…  Coach K has done more with less…  Especially with inferior athletes…  You a TarHeels fan…  You don’t think you guys haven’t underperformed?   

[tuck243Participant]

Look at how deep Roy’s teams were…  Also, look at his off years…  With a particular view towards his last 5 years when Lawson and Pyshco T left…  I think Roy just as people view Coach Cal, isn’t as good without top recruiting classes…  Coach K has done more with less…  Especially with inferior athletes…  You a TarHeels fan…  You don’t think you guys haven’t underperformed?   

[Ghost01Participant]

 The fact a major college basketball coach is saying he had no idea what classes his players were taking was a joke. 

I disagree with Sean Miller, but Tony Bennett is a hell of coach and last year had a vastly superior team to Roy with slightly inferior talent. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 The fact a major college basketball coach is saying he had no idea what classes his players were taking was a joke. 

I disagree with Sean Miller, but Tony Bennett is a hell of coach and last year had a vastly superior team to Roy with slightly inferior talent. 

[rickybobbyParticipant]

 Underachieved in the last 5 years? Besides the 2010 yr when UNC went to the NIT how have they underachieved? And that year they really didnt underachieve when their best two players Ed Davis and Tyler Zeller both missed substanial time during the season add to the fact they where extremely young. 2011 they lose in the Elite Eight to a talented Kentucky squad. 2012 again lose in the Elite Eight but with Kendall Marshall out, a 3rd string freshman pg starting and John Henson crippled with a wrist injury.

 And these past two years UNC talent level hasn’t been top notch. Reggie Bullock was the best player in 2013 and that’s not screaming top level talent. 2nd best player Hairston injures his shooting hand in the ACC tournament and isnt the same, loses in the 3rd round to #1 seeded Kansas. And Last year your best play is dismissed and your a few seconds away from an sweet 16 appearance with a one man show.  

If anything UNC has been dealt quite a few tough breaks these past few years with all the injures. Especially since the came during tournament time. And then add in last yr mess of an offseason for Hairston. Only 2 of the last five years where UNC expected to be title contenders or a very good team and both times they had good years and lose in the Elite Eight to talented teams. Given the circumstances i don’t see how UNC has underachieved. Ole Roy just hasn’t been given his proper acknowledgement from the media or anybody really. Nothing new when it comes to him though. 

 

[rickybobbyParticipant]

 Underachieved in the last 5 years? Besides the 2010 yr when UNC went to the NIT how have they underachieved? And that year they really didnt underachieve when their best two players Ed Davis and Tyler Zeller both missed substanial time during the season add to the fact they where extremely young. 2011 they lose in the Elite Eight to a talented Kentucky squad. 2012 again lose in the Elite Eight but with Kendall Marshall out, a 3rd string freshman pg starting and John Henson crippled with a wrist injury.

 And these past two years UNC talent level hasn’t been top notch. Reggie Bullock was the best player in 2013 and that’s not screaming top level talent. 2nd best player Hairston injures his shooting hand in the ACC tournament and isnt the same, loses in the 3rd round to #1 seeded Kansas. And Last year your best play is dismissed and your a few seconds away from an sweet 16 appearance with a one man show.  

If anything UNC has been dealt quite a few tough breaks these past few years with all the injures. Especially since the came during tournament time. And then add in last yr mess of an offseason for Hairston. Only 2 of the last five years where UNC expected to be title contenders or a very good team and both times they had good years and lose in the Elite Eight to talented teams. Given the circumstances i don’t see how UNC has underachieved. Ole Roy just hasn’t been given his proper acknowledgement from the media or anybody really. Nothing new when it comes to him though. 

 

[tuck243Participant]

Harrison Barnes was looked as the best player in his incoming class…  A class that we saw a starting line up of lottery picks that was on UNC’s roster…  You can dismiss it all you want, but John Henson wasn’t  "crippled" by a wrist injury at all (he PLAYED)…  Add to the fact McAdoo (who was considered a Top 10 pick at the time) was coming off the bench…  I think people see Roy’s teams and feel like they should do more.   I think that’s the issue…  

Going to the elite 8 with that team is underachieving…  If UK went to the Elite 8 with last years team or Anthony Davis’s team they would be looked at as underperforming.   Harrison Barnes came back an additional year to win…  Regardless if Marshall was injured or not, elite 8 is underperforming…  

Then you go to 2013…   That roster has a few NBA caliber players on there…  I just don’t understand how you going to dismiss that!!! There were at least 3 first round draft picks on that team…  

Truthfully, last year was the only year I will give you the nod that UNC didn’t have a talented team…  But it also shows why…  Roy isn’t able to coach One and Done talent… Progression of players has also done him in…   McAdoo, Barnes, Henson, Ed Davis etc…   All these guys have hurt the TarHeel brand…  Very talented players that were the same player year to year…  Kids see that now…  

I made a joke last year and said Roy is the old Coach K now…  His players get to the NBA and don’t do anything… Ty Lawson and Danny Green (who is a come back story)…  That’s it…  Look at all the talent that graced UNC during Roy’s tenure… How can you say he didn’t underperform in developing those kids?  

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

[tuck243Participant]

Harrison Barnes was looked as the best player in his incoming class…  A class that we saw a starting line up of lottery picks that was on UNC’s roster…  You can dismiss it all you want, but John Henson wasn’t  "crippled" by a wrist injury at all (he PLAYED)…  Add to the fact McAdoo (who was considered a Top 10 pick at the time) was coming off the bench…  I think people see Roy’s teams and feel like they should do more.   I think that’s the issue…  

Going to the elite 8 with that team is underachieving…  If UK went to the Elite 8 with last years team or Anthony Davis’s team they would be looked at as underperforming.   Harrison Barnes came back an additional year to win…  Regardless if Marshall was injured or not, elite 8 is underperforming…  

Then you go to 2013…   That roster has a few NBA caliber players on there…  I just don’t understand how you going to dismiss that!!! There were at least 3 first round draft picks on that team…  

Truthfully, last year was the only year I will give you the nod that UNC didn’t have a talented team…  But it also shows why…  Roy isn’t able to coach One and Done talent… Progression of players has also done him in…   McAdoo, Barnes, Henson, Ed Davis etc…   All these guys have hurt the TarHeel brand…  Very talented players that were the same player year to year…  Kids see that now…  

I made a joke last year and said Roy is the old Coach K now…  His players get to the NBA and don’t do anything… Ty Lawson and Danny Green (who is a come back story)…  That’s it…  Look at all the talent that graced UNC during Roy’s tenure… How can you say he didn’t underperform in developing those kids?  

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

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