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    The only thing Ric Bucher and Chris Broussard like to do more than report on the NBA is argue about the NBA. So we’re continuing their One-on-One series into the offseason (and the lockout), today looking at potential game-changing trades to be made after the league resumes.

     

     

    Which potential trade would do most to elevate a team to contender status or solidify its position at the top of the league?

     

     

    BUCHER: A number of star-quality players could be available on the market once the NBA resolves its labor issues, providing a variety of teams the chance to elevate themselves with one bold move. For me, though, the Bulls are the team that most needs to add a piece to solidify itself as a threat to win a title. The guy they should go after is Joe Johnson.

     

     

    I have not heard Johnson’s name in trade talks, nor have I heard that Atlanta is desperate to move someone, even though Josh Smith has made it known he’d love to have a new home. But after yet another disappointing finish, I have to believe the Hawks know that Johnson will never make the six-year, $129 million deal he signed a year ago work fiscally in Atlanta.

     

     

    So, with that in mind, I believe that not only could the Bulls tempt the Hawks to part with Johnson for some combination of Carlos Boozer, Luol Deng, Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer, but that they must if they have dreams of building off last season’s conference finals appearance.

     

     


     

     

    BROUSSARD: I agree that putting Johnson in Chicago would make the Bulls a full-fledged title contender, but I don’t see why Atlanta would do such a deal. The size and length of the deals of Boozer (four years, $60 million) and Deng (three years, $40 million) are just as onerous as Johnson’s, and neither player — or even both — would make Atlanta a contender. So I don’t think that deal could happen.

     

     

    Chris Paul

    Rocky Widner/NBAE/Getty ImagesChris Paul would form a dangerous combination with Blake Griffin in L.A.

     

     

    The obvious deal that would turn the league upside down would be Oklahoma City sending Russell Westbrook and Kendrick Perkins to New Orleans for Chris Paul. The one problem with this deal is that I don’t think Paul would sign long-term with the Thunder.

     

     

    Instead, I propose a Los Angeles Clippers trade of Eric Gordon and Mo Williams (or the expiring contract of Chris Kaman) for Paul. Gordon is a rising star around whom New Orleans can build, and I believe that Paul would sign in L.A. Paul and Blake Griffin would be a devastating tandem, and Paul also could make the fast-improving DeAndre Jordan at least as dangerous as Tyson Chandler. With a supporting cast of Ryan Gomes, Randy Foye, Al-Farouq Aminu and Eric Bledsoe (not to mention Kaman or Williams), the Clippers would be as dangerous as anyone out West.

     

     


     

     

    BUCHER: I’m glad you didn’t go with the Westbrook-Paul trade; I can understand an Okie who fell in love with Paul during the Hornets’ two-year OKC sojourn proposing it, but anyone else giving it a second thought needs a Lasik appointment. As in no deal could be more shortsighted. Westbrook is a 22-year-old beast of a point guard who has never missed a game and already led his team to a conference final as a second-team all-pro. Trading him for a point guard who, great as he has been, has had two injury-shortened seasons already, is undersized and has an iffy knee at 26? That’s as sensible as voluntarily dealing Dwight Howard for Amare Stoudemire.

     

     

    Your deal sending Paul to the Clippers is infinitely more viable, but I have two concerns: One, the Clippers were one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the league and would be giving up two of their best 3-point shooters. Two, if CP3 is more interested in hitching his wagon to Donald Sterling and the ever-struggling Clips because they’re in L.A., as you insinuated, rather than chasing a title with the far-more-solid Thunder because they’re in OKC, what does that say?

     

     

    As for the Hawks’ sending Johnson to the Bulls, Atlanta would have to deal a second contract (Marvin Williams?) to take both Deng and Boozer in a deal. Why would they do it? Because Joe for Booz and Deng alone would save them $17 million and Johnson’s deal ramps up far more severely than the two they’d be getting, so if they don’t move him soon, it’s going to get infinitely harder. Throw in Williams — whom they’ve been shopping hard for two years — and they’d save more than $30 million. The Hawks are not a contender as is, yet they’d still be a playoff team with Boozer and Deng, so why not make that trade?

     

     


     

     

    BROUSSARD: Paul is a good 3-point shooter, nailing 39 percent from behind the arc last season, better than Gordon and roughly the same as Williams. The Clippers could also find another 3-point shooter to add during free agency or via trade. One signing that would make sense would be unrestricted free agent and Los Angeles native Arron Afflalo. He could start next to Paul in the backcourt. He’s a strong defender and career 41 percent shooter from 3, having shot better than 42 percent the past two seasons. That crew right there is enough to steal L.A. from the Lakers for a few years.

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  • #587516
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    BasterdInABasket
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    The only thing Ric Bucher and Chris Broussard like to do more than report on the NBA is argue about the NBA. So we’re continuing their One-on-One series into the offseason (and the lockout), today looking at potential game-changing trades to be made after the league resumes.

     

     

    Which potential trade would do most to elevate a team to contender status or solidify its position at the top of the league?

     

     

    BUCHER: A number of star-quality players could be available on the market once the NBA resolves its labor issues, providing a variety of teams the chance to elevate themselves with one bold move. For me, though, the Bulls are the team that most needs to add a piece to solidify itself as a threat to win a title. The guy they should go after is Joe Johnson.

     

     

    I have not heard Johnson’s name in trade talks, nor have I heard that Atlanta is desperate to move someone, even though Josh Smith has made it known he’d love to have a new home. But after yet another disappointing finish, I have to believe the Hawks know that Johnson will never make the six-year, $129 million deal he signed a year ago work fiscally in Atlanta.

     

     

    So, with that in mind, I believe that not only could the Bulls tempt the Hawks to part with Johnson for some combination of Carlos Boozer, Luol Deng, Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer, but that they must if they have dreams of building off last season’s conference finals appearance.

     

     


     

     

    BROUSSARD: I agree that putting Johnson in Chicago would make the Bulls a full-fledged title contender, but I don’t see why Atlanta would do such a deal. The size and length of the deals of Boozer (four years, $60 million) and Deng (three years, $40 million) are just as onerous as Johnson’s, and neither player — or even both — would make Atlanta a contender. So I don’t think that deal could happen.

     

     

    Chris Paul

    Rocky Widner/NBAE/Getty ImagesChris Paul would form a dangerous combination with Blake Griffin in L.A.

     

     

    The obvious deal that would turn the league upside down would be Oklahoma City sending Russell Westbrook and Kendrick Perkins to New Orleans for Chris Paul. The one problem with this deal is that I don’t think Paul would sign long-term with the Thunder.

     

     

    Instead, I propose a Los Angeles Clippers trade of Eric Gordon and Mo Williams (or the expiring contract of Chris Kaman) for Paul. Gordon is a rising star around whom New Orleans can build, and I believe that Paul would sign in L.A. Paul and Blake Griffin would be a devastating tandem, and Paul also could make the fast-improving DeAndre Jordan at least as dangerous as Tyson Chandler. With a supporting cast of Ryan Gomes, Randy Foye, Al-Farouq Aminu and Eric Bledsoe (not to mention Kaman or Williams), the Clippers would be as dangerous as anyone out West.

     

     


     

     

    BUCHER: I’m glad you didn’t go with the Westbrook-Paul trade; I can understand an Okie who fell in love with Paul during the Hornets’ two-year OKC sojourn proposing it, but anyone else giving it a second thought needs a Lasik appointment. As in no deal could be more shortsighted. Westbrook is a 22-year-old beast of a point guard who has never missed a game and already led his team to a conference final as a second-team all-pro. Trading him for a point guard who, great as he has been, has had two injury-shortened seasons already, is undersized and has an iffy knee at 26? That’s as sensible as voluntarily dealing Dwight Howard for Amare Stoudemire.

     

     

    Your deal sending Paul to the Clippers is infinitely more viable, but I have two concerns: One, the Clippers were one of the worst 3-point shooting teams in the league and would be giving up two of their best 3-point shooters. Two, if CP3 is more interested in hitching his wagon to Donald Sterling and the ever-struggling Clips because they’re in L.A., as you insinuated, rather than chasing a title with the far-more-solid Thunder because they’re in OKC, what does that say?

     

     

    As for the Hawks’ sending Johnson to the Bulls, Atlanta would have to deal a second contract (Marvin Williams?) to take both Deng and Boozer in a deal. Why would they do it? Because Joe for Booz and Deng alone would save them $17 million and Johnson’s deal ramps up far more severely than the two they’d be getting, so if they don’t move him soon, it’s going to get infinitely harder. Throw in Williams — whom they’ve been shopping hard for two years — and they’d save more than $30 million. The Hawks are not a contender as is, yet they’d still be a playoff team with Boozer and Deng, so why not make that trade?

     

     


     

     

    BROUSSARD: Paul is a good 3-point shooter, nailing 39 percent from behind the arc last season, better than Gordon and roughly the same as Williams. The Clippers could also find another 3-point shooter to add during free agency or via trade. One signing that would make sense would be unrestricted free agent and Los Angeles native Arron Afflalo. He could start next to Paul in the backcourt. He’s a strong defender and career 41 percent shooter from 3, having shot better than 42 percent the past two seasons. That crew right there is enough to steal L.A. from the Lakers for a few years.

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  • #587522
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    IndianaBasketball
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    I like the Paul to LAC trade, except why give up Gordon? Just throw in the expiring contract of Williams or Kaman, one of their younger prospects like Aminu or Bledsoe, plus the pick that’s owed to them from the T-Wolves?

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  • #587244
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    IndianaBasketball
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    I like the Paul to LAC trade, except why give up Gordon? Just throw in the expiring contract of Williams or Kaman, one of their younger prospects like Aminu or Bledsoe, plus the pick that’s owed to them from the T-Wolves?

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  • #587532
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    iguapops420
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     Personaly, if I’m LAC, I’d give up the Minny pick,Kaman and MO along with the 2 youngens(Bledsoe and Aminu).

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  • #587254
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    iguapops420
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     Personaly, if I’m LAC, I’d give up the Minny pick,Kaman and MO along with the 2 youngens(Bledsoe and Aminu).

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  • #587290
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    sammybuckeye13
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    I think Minny pick, Kaman, Mo, Bledose and Aminu is a more sensible for both teams as well.

    Gordon is a budding star, yes, but he’s in the last year of his rookie deal and could easily sign elsewhere (right now he’s much more likely to stay with Blake in LA). In this deal, the Hornets get a likely top 5 pick in a loaded draft, $12M off the books in Kaman, a good enough PG in Mo and two guys with huge potential in Bledsoe and Aminu; the Clippers, of course, put together a trio of Paul-Gordon-Griffin, which would be monstrous.

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    I think Minny pick, Kaman, Mo, Bledose and Aminu is a more sensible for both teams as well.

    Gordon is a budding star, yes, but he’s in the last year of his rookie deal and could easily sign elsewhere (right now he’s much more likely to stay with Blake in LA). In this deal, the Hornets get a likely top 5 pick in a loaded draft, $12M off the books in Kaman, a good enough PG in Mo and two guys with huge potential in Bledsoe and Aminu; the Clippers, of course, put together a trio of Paul-Gordon-Griffin, which would be monstrous.

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  • #587330
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    Does anyone really beleive that the Hornets would trade Paul without a possible star coming back in the deal? Gordon would have to be in the deal and I would also say that the Minny pick would need to be included as well. I could see a legit trade of Paul and Ariza for Gordon, Aminu, Kaman and the Minny pick. It makes sense for both sides. The Hornets would be a step ahead of complete rebuilding mode and the Clippers would have a legit PG, a better than average SF in Ariza and a if-not-now-then-very-soon-to-be-superstar in Griffin.

     

     

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  • #587608
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    Does anyone really beleive that the Hornets would trade Paul without a possible star coming back in the deal? Gordon would have to be in the deal and I would also say that the Minny pick would need to be included as well. I could see a legit trade of Paul and Ariza for Gordon, Aminu, Kaman and the Minny pick. It makes sense for both sides. The Hornets would be a step ahead of complete rebuilding mode and the Clippers would have a legit PG, a better than average SF in Ariza and a if-not-now-then-very-soon-to-be-superstar in Griffin.

     

     

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    If New Orleans takes Aminu, Kaman, Williams, Bledsoe, and the TWolves pick, than both teams could be very very dangerous over the next couple years. Think about it, you have a big three in Gordon, Paul, and Griffin, plus DeAndre Jordan, randy Foye, Willie Warren, Jamario Moon, and Travis Leslie.

    And New Orleans would have Gordon, Williams, Ariza, West if he is resigned, Okafor, plus Kaman, Aminu, Landry, Bledsoe, and a top lotto pick.

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    If New Orleans takes Aminu, Kaman, Williams, Bledsoe, and the TWolves pick, than both teams could be very very dangerous over the next couple years. Think about it, you have a big three in Gordon, Paul, and Griffin, plus DeAndre Jordan, randy Foye, Willie Warren, Jamario Moon, and Travis Leslie.

    And New Orleans would have Gordon, Williams, Ariza, West if he is resigned, Okafor, plus Kaman, Aminu, Landry, Bledsoe, and a top lotto pick.

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  • #587780
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    Grovesinternational
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    i’m still hoping chris paul somehow meets up with dwight howard… preferably in orlando.. but we all know that thats basically impossible now

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    Grovesinternational
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    i’m still hoping chris paul somehow meets up with dwight howard… preferably in orlando.. but we all know that thats basically impossible now

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  • #587537
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    bksmith
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    aamir543, You mention that both teams have Gordon.

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  • #587818
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    bksmith
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    aamir543, You mention that both teams have Gordon.

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  • #587557
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    M-DYMES
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    bksmith…my answer to that is…

    Might as well get what you can for CP3 b/c he is pretty much as good as gone.  Other teams know this and will def. try to get CP3 at as much of a discount as possible.  Unless 1 team offers a big name, others are not going to if they do not need to. 

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  • #587838
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    M-DYMES
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    bksmith…my answer to that is…

    Might as well get what you can for CP3 b/c he is pretty much as good as gone.  Other teams know this and will def. try to get CP3 at as much of a discount as possible.  Unless 1 team offers a big name, others are not going to if they do not need to. 

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  • #587595
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    iguapops420
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    ^^^ Exactly, it’s not like Denver got the best package that could have been available. Same for Deron IMO. If teams know CP3 is leaving, might as well low ball as best as possible. That’s why a deal with LAC like I said AT LEAST get’s them a decent big in Kaman, 2 young players with tons of upside, and a potential top 2 pick.

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  • #587876
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    iguapops420
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    ^^^ Exactly, it’s not like Denver got the best package that could have been available. Same for Deron IMO. If teams know CP3 is leaving, might as well low ball as best as possible. That’s why a deal with LAC like I said AT LEAST get’s them a decent big in Kaman, 2 young players with tons of upside, and a potential top 2 pick.

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