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Enough is Enough

When GM's and scout's are scouting a PG, they are mainly concerned with their ability to get in the lane and get others involved.

So with that being said....WHY do teams,players,etc, still sag off Rondo?!!! I understand the whole play off of him and make him shoot, but that &$#%#&@! obviously isn't working.

Sagging off him just gives him an easier way to get into the paint, and once he's there you know he's going to create a bucket, that's a given.

Rondo's last 5 games go like this:

10pts,12ast

4pts,12ast

7pts,15ast

18pts,15ast

20pts,15ast

And when he has games like:

32pts,15ast against Chicago, do you understand that's 60-70 points ONE PERSON is creating?

This is not a topic about how good Rondo is, because I think everyone knows he's a top 3 PG.

This is more about the dumb defense teams play on him, I think when you sag off of him all that does is give him a running head start to build up more speed which makes him even more unguardable

And if that jumpshot is falling it's all bad.

Mainly I don't think you can stop Rondo from getting into the lane period, but I do think if you play him straight up and honest you would have a better chance.

Does anyone else feel this way?


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I support you 100% Everybody

I support you 100%

Everybody is going on about how Westbrook has improved, but his assist numbers are down drastically (by 2.8), Rondo on the other hand is just doing an amazing job passing.

If you've got a talented team, I'll take him over any other PG in the league, I'd take him over Rose if I was Chicago (feeling the negs already)

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why are you so furious

why are you so furious FastAnd....hooo....Furious.... ok....

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I am pretty sure most of

I am pretty sure most of these defenses are not as stupid as you think. Rondo is super quick and I do think they should mix it up but playing off of him limits a lot of what he likes to do. Guarding Rondo too close will allow him to drive which is he specialty. If he drives he immediately is moving the ball towards the basket for an easy point or if double can find the open man. That is money all day for Boston. I do believe that now since he i a better shooter, they need to mix it up but I would still test him from outside.

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I think playoff teams won't do this till the

actual playoffs but length is the factor versus Rondo... Depending on who they play... Especially if they see the Heat in the second round, LeBron will be on him in extended minutes... The reason you can keep him at bay and roam... I noticed a few possessions where they had LeBron gaurd him and he either turned it over or couldn't get anything...

To be honest Rondo doing this is cool for now but it the playoffs its a different story for him... It's shown EVERY year that his lack of jumper is what kills his team... You talk about the emergence of Rondo... What about KG??? He is the biggest reason they are winning not Rondo... Do you know that KG leads the league in shooting % with a hand in his face?? And he also leads the league in late shot clock shooting % as well...

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Wait what??? Anton123

You'll take Rajon Rondo over Derrick Rose??? Arguably the best PG in the league??? Why??? Because he's injured??? Or because you think you win more games with Rondo??? I'm confused because the Chicago won the most games 2 years in a row... This the ish I be talking about... Yall mofo's watch a week or 2 worth of basketball and have a dumb ass epiphany... Whatever happened over that span is end all, be all for yall... This what have you done for me lately crap is ridiculous... You lose your credibilty saying crap like that...

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Not me

Sorry to say, teams sag off of Rondo because it fills the paint. You sag off of people you want to shoot the ball. Now, would playing more physical defense on Rondo maybe tire him out to make it more difficult to drive into the paint? Possibly, but I think the reason people sag on Rondo is because if you play him up close, he is going to just get by you even more easily.

I mean, if you are straight up slower than the guy you are guarding, but know he has a shaky shot, you back the hell up. I understand Rajon has been playing well, but would playing him up close really be that much more effective? Would he not still pass the rock and beat you off of the dribble. If you back off of him, you are giving him shots you want him to take. He makes them, he makes them, but I do not think he has made them at a rate where you want to give him possible steps to the paint.

You step out and cover shooters. I still think that one of the major reasons the Celtics are indeed beatable is that they still back up and force Rajon into jump shots while keeping a body in front of him if he so chooses to drive into the paint. I think Rajon is going to create that start one way or another, but teams seem to have had success in the past by trying to get Rajon to shoot. The guy has obviously been fantastic the last few years and the team has been playing well, but I would rather have a head start on Rondo with a full head of steam than try to catch him from behind. Think that is the logic and it has seen the Celts fall in the past 3 play-offs. While the Celtics have been great, I am guessing they can still be stopped in the play-offs by giving Rondo room and trying to force him to shoot.

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I understand

I understand everyone(Tuck,Mikeyv,etc) who says teams need to still sag, but the only question I have for you.

If you already know your going to get beat why not just get up on him, instead of letting him get a free pass to the lane, I really think Rondo's job is even easier because he doesn't struggle to get into the lane,they allow him every trip down and any GREAT PG that gets in the lane is going to find people and I'm not taking anything away from Rondo, because he's a beast, but I think that's why his assist numbers ae soooo high.

He literally can walk a little past the free throw line with no pressure what so ever,and once he's there,for a player of his IQ it's a piece of cake after that.

But once again I'm not knocking the sag off and make him shoot theory, because it's a good theory,but use that on Westbrook or Rose, not Rondo,he's too good at finding other people.

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I still disagree it is a free pass to the lane

You have a guy in the lane already, basically. I mean, you are basically saying that you need to play tight defense on a player for them not to blow by you, which is not the case. I truly believe you back up off of Rondo because playing up on him does indeed give him the ability to beat you going to the bucket. If you are already in or near the paint, you have a much better chance of being in front of him and being much more of a disruption than if you play up on him and he blows by you.

People sag off Rondo as both a sign of respect and disrespect. I think they respect the fact that he can indeed blow by you on the dribble. But, they do not respect his shot. They want him to have to score to beat them. Yes, he has some huge games, though I still think this way of playing him has not been without its success. Do you really think playing up on Rondo gives him less of a chance of getting into the paint when playing off of him gives you another body closer to him? Would the energy needed to shake off a defender playing him tight really make it more difficult to still beat that person to the paint?

I just feel that is not the case, which is why I generally disagree that teams should stop giving Rondo plenty of room. If Rajon is hitting his jumpers, than this might be a theory. But, I do not think it is as simple as saying, "Giving him room on the shot helps him drive". I think playing him tight helps him drive, not to mention dish to teammates. I feel this is basically saying that people can indeed guard Rajon thoroughly with much success. Personally, I think play off of him has been the better way of guarding him, which is why I think teams will keep doing it. If he wins a championship, you by all means have a great point. But, the last time they won, the Big 3 were still all high level All-Stars. Now, they are good and Rajon is better, but I'd still live with giving Rondo the jumper rather than letting him blow by the guy face guarding him. You prey on peoples weaknesses, especially in the play-offs, and this is still a weakness for him.

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As I said either way you

As I said either way you lose, but you are giving him a free ticket into the paint,I believe when they sag off Rondo that only gives him more acceleration to the great burst he already has,your basically giving him a head start to rev up the engine.

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Also, because Rondo isn't

Also, because Rondo isn't pressured, he can throw passes with perfect timing. The Celtics aren't a dynamic offensive team, but they score enough because they execute as good as any team in the NBA in the half-court. This is definitely due in large part to the Celtics veteran players and excellent coaching, but also due to the fact that their pg doesn't have to face ball pressure.

Rondo isn't a great finisher at the rim, and, for some teams, playing him tighter might help. Still, by the stats, the Celtics are a poor offensive team. They look great at times, but overall, their offensive efficiency (points per possession) on the season is among the worst in the league. They are more reliant on their defense to win games than any other team in the league.

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Lmao

"Yall mofo's watch a week or 2 worth of basketball and have a dumb ass epiphany... " - Tuck

hahahhahahaha

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They say by laying off Jason Kidd

it allowed him to see the floor... Which might be true... But I've seen players do stupid ish all the time while playing Rondo... The best way to play him is.........

Go underneath all screens for him... I just don't understand why dudes go over top... That's the stupidest thing ever and I see it too often... The reason I say put a bigger person on him is to negate that speed and cause issues with lanes once Rondo get next to you... The funny thing is this is how the Celtics been beat every year in the playoffs... I don't think them him is really "him"...

They playing as a team and the Celtics are hitting shots, ESPECIALLY KG... Whenever a team shoots 60% its no way you going to beat them... No way... Miami would have won that game if the Celtics shot a more reasonable %... It wasn't like Miami played trash that game... FastandFurious you looking up Rondo stats over this span look at the rest of the team... He's playing decent but to me KG is actually putting the nail in the coffin and putting teams away... And I HATE KG...

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"This the ish I be talking

"This the ish I be talking about... Yall mofo's watch a week or 2 worth of basketball and have a dumb ass epiphany... Whatever happened over that span is end all, be all for yall... This what have you done for me lately crap is ridiculous... You lose your credibilty saying crap like that.."

God forbid someone thought a world champian who's led his team to the finals, led the league in assists and steals on multiple occasions, and has had the most tripple doubles since joining the NBA is better then Derrick Rose...yeah, we're the ones living in the moment. >.>

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Lol... You know I ain't lying... They come in here with ish they saw from last week and declare him as the best... Like the hell with D. Rose... He only was the MVP last year and destroyed every top PG match up this year... The Celtics would trade Rondo for D. Rose in a heartbeat no questions....

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So what you saying is you wouldn't trade for D. Rose??? Please... Danny Ainge would do that instantly... NO ONE is concerned with Rondo... Yall tried to trade that man multiple times and no one wanted him... I'll give it to him he's perfect for a team full of HOF... But to be clear Allen, PP, and KG were in their primes when they won that championship... Which the Lakers couldn't match up with PP and they won... Rondo wasn't a FACTOR

Next Finals Kobe on Rondo and he's non exsistent.... So to hell with all those accolades you just named... He's too inconsistent with his level of play... Yes I'm talking motor... No NBA team is willing to trade their All-Star PG for him because they already know without talent around him he won't help you... Sh*t with KG, Ray, and PP you BETTER get 10+ assists... So the answer to what you said HYFR its ridiculous...

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Wait, I don't get it. I

Wait, I don't get it. I thought that the more you sagged off a guy the easier it was to stay in front of him and stop him from getting in the lane? I know those assist numbers are crazy, and that stat line is amazing, but he's shooting only 36% from the field his last five games, even though last night's 3-16 is the main reason. Rondo is shooting it at 44.8% this season, down from 48% last season, and 50% the past three seasons.

But if you play on him, doesn't that allow him to drive right by you and into the paint, and now he beat his defender and the ehlp defender has to come, meaning that now you have the dump off man who's even more open, which means more dimes. Sagging off is the best option, but if he ever has a Jason Kidd like epiphany and gets a jumpshot within the next three years, it's over.

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Aamir543!!!

Don't tell him sh*t... The dude have been having games like this all year... The reason they are winning now has more to do with their team hitting their shots... And KG emergence again... I've said this too many times KG is the biggest reason NOT Rondo... Rondo shoots 60% from the Free throw line... D. Rose was killing teams at times this year with his passing... The Bulls just can't shoot like Boston... They defend and ATTACK the glass... Which is why they winning games without him... More effort NOT more talented...

Face it... Rondo has Allen and Bradley (Bradley been shooting it well lately), PP, KG, and Brandon Bass who can all hit open jumpers while on the court... They spreading you out and hitting shots that's it... But the issue is going to come in the playoffs when match-ups is more important than whose minutes are getting ignored... In order for them to win Rondo going to have to hit that shot... Something he can't do 4 games out of 7... Which is why he hurts more than help in those situations...

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We not making this sh*t up

It's been going on the past 3 years...

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"Next Finals Kobe on Rondo

"Next Finals Kobe on Rondo and he's non exsistent"

You must have missed last years play offs when LeBron made Rose look like Dan Dickau.

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Tuck

I agree w/ you somewhat about the "what have you done for me lately" sentiment that ppl have lol. I actually fell into this trap a few times and when it hit me I was like, man dude might be right(*k.love debate) but yeah a lot of people hop on and off, each and everyday, but thats the nature of sports i guess. I remember when CP3 went down about a year ago and everybody was sayin Dwill was the best PG in the L...smh

mgreener brings up a good point tho Rondo is proven. He carried them to the finals and did his thing. Yes he had the big 3, but he was directing traffic. Rondo IS NOT better than a healthy Drose but he isn't far behind on the pg depth chart imo.

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top 3 PGs

rose cp3 dwill...

ask boston if they would trade rondo for any of these 3 ^

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