While i think he has the most potential in this whole draft I don't see the cavs risking with him no.1.. I mean i didn't think the cavs would pass up kyrie irving... now they pass up d-will too? hmm like i said he has more potential then anybody but the cavs seem stuck on kyrie. I dont see this happening...
Have always been high on Kanter as compared to most every other prospect in the draft besides Irving, but I have heard NOTHING about him being the first pick up until now, other than Calipari saying he should be the first pick. Kind of crazy to see him sitting #1 on the mock at this point, it either means Aran is on to something no other site seems to be saying. Maybe he has intel that Kanter KILLED his workout, though if that is the case, Cleveland could be making a huge mistake in judgement. Workouts should never be the determining factor of where someone goes in the draft, it should just either confirm or go against things you have already studied and know about the player, plus maybe tell you a bit about their approach. Still, surprising to see this, looking forward to an explanation on the whole thing. I am still saying Irving until I hear or see some real evidence otherwise, which I have not.
Your right, Aran is ON SOMETHING no other person is.
He had Kyrie at #1, Derrick Williams at #1, now Kanter. While the first Kyrie is most likely to go first, Derrick Williams does have an outside shot, but thats about it. Aran is just changing the #1 spot to get some attention.
I pretty sure, when his final mock draft comes out, he will change it again with Kyrie back at #1, unless he wants to prove how wrong he is.
Someone email the administrator and let them know that there is a bug in their mock draft. They have Kanter at #1 and Irving at #3. This has to be a mistake!!
It kind of makes sense. Think about it. The Cavs' ONE good position is PF with Jamison, Hickson, and Samuels. If Cleveland took Williams, they would be playing him at SF instead of PF, which I think is a mistake. Yes, Williams has three point range, but doesn't ensure he could be a full-time wing player. Then, at PG, the top prospect is Irving, who still has major question marks having played so little in college and not participating in many workouts. Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker will still probably be available by their second lottery pick. If the Cavs do go with Kanter, it's mainly because they don't want to risk him not being available at 4th overall.
So they won't pick Kyrie Irving because he played so little in college but they take Enes Kanter that didn't play at all?
Kanter at 1, Hamilton ahead of Burks, Darius Morris in the lottery????
No way any of these happen
Evan, Derrick Williams did say though he is a SF and is mainly that. So i dont know if he would like playing PF anyways.. They have him going to minny where he would still play SF
^ Hamilton ahead of those two is not a stretch. Many teams are high on him and even though here we have him perenially projected in the 20's I've heard rumblings of teams in the late lottery and even a little higher that love him. I think most teams have him above Morris, and as for Burks it's a positional need. If you need a SF which so many teams this year do, obviously Hamilton is the guy.
It makes zero sense. The top pick is all about value. When you are one of the 3 worst teams in the league, accumulating as much value as possible is paramount. Kanter has far less value than Irving at this point regardless of potential. Right now the difference in value between the top 2 and everyone else is probably as large as every due to the weakness of the draft
As said before, Irving played only 11 more competitive games than Kanter. Plus, Irving doesn't want to for workouts. Yes, having Kanter at #1 is a bit crazy but it's far from impossible as he would become the only big man of the draft if Jonas Valanciunas decides to withdraw his name.
He's done nothing to earn the # 1 spot in my eyes(Kanter has proven less O agree but he has the size and skill GM's covet, Irving hasn't even showed up during the pre draft process, he's skating by using playing the Pg position ti his advantage) I think Knight is a safer pick than Irving at this point and wouldnt be surprised to see him Bust in the NBA...scouts are so high on Irving its almost disgusting, Knight proved why more Irving to me Mikey, said it from day 1 that he'll be a better pro than Kyrie, I like Kyrie and all but Come on using # 1 pick on a Pg with injury concerns...I agree Kanter is probally not the ideal # 1 being compared to Big Foot and UFO sightings can help his cause but at last he is there to prove what he has to offer, I'm waiting on the Knight Vs Irving one on one, and I'll probably die holding my breathe...If Kanter checks out physically he has to considered the for the # 1 pick, Cleveland can't risk losing him to Minnesota or Utah, they can always draft whoever is left at 4, why are people so convinced Kyrie won't be there and that Knight is some busted consolation prize...Pick Kanter Cleveland and draft the BPA with the 4th pick(or trade it for more players and pieces to the puzzle) I've said this since Perry Jones pulled out, Kanter, Knight and Vessely are the 3 best prospects in the draft, Irving and Williams can be 4th and 5th, Burks, Honeycutt, Hamilton, Donatas and the Morris twins are right behind them in my mind, I'll be ROTFL at the team that drafts Bismack or Jonas top 10, and await the day the Pg craze goes away, Dallas and Miami don't have an elite pg but they're playing for a Championship, I don't know Pg became the position you had to have a elite player, always thought that the Sg, Sf and Pf were the most important(Wade, Lebron and Dirk, Kobe, Pierce, Pau and Garnett) Pg and C are the two spots you need veterans or defensive guys to play in order win(Kidd, Chalmers or Chandler)...when one of these Elite Pg prospects starts winning rings I'll change my stance...
Do you ever get the feeling they do something drastic close to the draft just to mess with the people who are copying their mocks? I doubt he stays at #1 until draft day. This seems crazy given he could be available at 4, though this would guarantee either Knight or Williams available at the 4 spot, which is intriguing. Unless they want him to play the 5 (which he seems capable of) I don't understand this move.
Irving has only played 11 more games then Kanter this past year but also is a PG with over 10% body fat while Kanter is 6'11, 259 and a ripped 5.6 % body fat and is reportdly shooting better then Irving right now. I don't know what Irving's deal is but he don't wanna workout as compared to Kanter who is ready to take on any challenege and even played at the combine.
If Kanter would of played at Kentucky this year it wouldn't even be a question, Kanter would be the hands down number one pick. Kanter is an offensive big man to build around. Kanter is like Demarcus Cousins without the weight and maturity issues and we all know Cousins talent would be the first pick in this draft. I say he is like Cousins cause he is going to be an offensive force on offense with an inside out game and a rebounding machine.
Darius Morris has skyrocketed up the boards by killing it in the workouts including reports of him completely owning Jimmer in NY tho I wouldn't draft him over Jimmer.
Hamilton has been suspiciously low all year on Mocks he's also a 6'8 wingman who was just a soph last season that can flat out score and rebound. No reason he shouldn't be considered a top ten pick in this draft. I like Hamilton just as much as Leonard.
Kanter is a scoring center that plays in the post. There are very few of these in the NBA right now and if he can draw a double team in the post he becomes more valuable than a PG. There is a reason that great point guards like Nash and Stockton have no rings but most championship teams have had a strong, inside big man. Kanter would be harder to replace than Irving or Williams who both look like good players but whose skills and contributions can be easily replaced.
Maybe they brought Stevie Wonder in to do the latest mock.
Milwaukee is really high on burks so I don't know why they would pick motiejunas over him... Burks has a much higher ceiling..
I thought about doing a "Case for Kanter at Number One" thread a couple of weeks ago but I figured I would have gotten negative 50 points or something.
I came to this site for building my OWN MOCK DRAFT....I dont know who Aran is or his expertice....He has a good site(I think the RED color of the site makes it look oficial for some reason)...but Aron seems like he is never here...has he even droped a memo stating anything about the points sytem yet???...its a free site so obviously he doesnt have to do anything...but I feel like Im in the dark sometimes as far as why he does what he does. Enes Kanter makes sense because he is a top 3 pick and they could grab a Brandon Knight at 4 ...but no GM in their right mind would take a gamble like that unless they don't care about job security.
If you think about it two possible first picks in the draft barley even played last year, Kanter not at all and Irving just a little bit. I think the less you play the less flaws you will show to scouts and they will think you have more potential then you really do. The less you play=higher draft position.
I think it's the best pick to make. I'm not very impressed with Irving or Williams. Kanter is a legit big man and we all know legit bigs are in short supply. Irving missed most of the year and with him skipping the combine and all, probably rubbed people the wrong way. Plus I don't think he'll ever be a top tier point guard. He'll probably be very good, but not elite. Williams has lots of heart and puts in great effort, but i don't see him ever becomming a guy who can lead a contender. By drafting Kanter you address your big man situation for the next decade. If you can get production similar to Al Horford, you'll be fine. Next years draft (which the cavs will be major players in) is loaded with players with tons of star potential. That is when you select your franchise player. Come 2012 the cavs could have a young nucleus of Kanter, Knight, and a potential top 5 pick in the 2012 draft (Davis, Barnes, Jones, Mcadoo, Miller, this list goes on and on). That looks like a very nice foundation for building a contender
Even if it is the best pick to make.. The cavs are clearly very high on irving and have made it obvious irving will be no. 1
Just the advantage of having your own site you can just make up stuff. Kanter is not going #1
Taking Kanter at 1 is a huge risk. I cant imagine drafting someone that high based soley of what you've seen in workouts and semi-competetive games over a year ago. I realize that you can nitpick the resumes of guys like Williams and Irving, but to pretend like Kanter is anything but a complete unknown at this point is silly
You just said that Dallas did not deserve the championship for playing legal defense and doing it well. Plus, why do you need to have your own site to make stuff up? You made that up without having your own site, and it was way more ridiculous than having Kanter as the #1 pick. I so happen to not think he will be #1 either, but I have no idea why you would say something that way, unless you were just diagnosed a "cynical @sshole".
Diss me over the internet, I'm sticking to my strong opinion that it is simply the advantage of having your own site and needing attention that led whomever to put Kanter #1, he should really watch stuff like that if he is looking for credibility, but hey take up for your secret lover
mikey...I know u know Aran....its all good to defend this site and Aran...but sometimes its okay to admit when something is wrong....not that taking KANTER number 1 is the craziest thing ever....but...its not going to happen, you know that.
No one knows anything really until it happens.
MikeyV on the attack!
Hahahahah I've never seen him do that! hahahah
Hahahahahah! It sounds so smart yet so offending!
Kanter isn't going #1...not in any scenario.
Especially now with all the speculation of his workouts...not a good mock draft IMO
Did not say I agreed with it. I did not agree with Derrick Williams being #1 either, still don't. Think that Kyrie is going #1. I met Aran one time, but I was impressed with him calling Derrick Williams and the Tristan Thompson thing, when everyone was basically saying he was libelous. When someone gets basically assumed to be libelous, than usually, the result of it is not incredibly satisfying when they are found to have not been. I did not see many people here giving him props due on that. I give credit where it is due, and that is why I give credit there.
I actually never say I agree with him. But, I defend his doing it, because it is a Mock Draft, that will be changed about 10 times between now and the draft and people take WAY too seriously. I do not think Kanter will be the #1 pick, but I think people acting like they already know otherwise are full of $hit, which is why I write what I write. I just do not like hypocrisy, and when I see it, I tend to say something about it.
Scarecrow, I know Irving has not done this and that and blah blah blah. He hasn't done anything to prove he is #1 yada yada yada. Well, to me, he looks like the best player in the draft. I mean, Irving will have to be 10% body fat for his entire career and will always have an injured toe and have not played enough to prove anything, so I guess I should think otherwise. Come on guys, the reason I like Irving is because I think he has an incredibly complete game, is a much better athlete than people give him credit for and does not need a combine to prove it, especially coming off of an injury. Yes, it sucks he only played 11 games, but circumstance does not dictate who the better player will be. This process right now is much more for people fighting for spots than the top picks. Also, does it always necessarily lead to the best decisions? Remember the famously competitive Phoenix Suns workout with Jeff Green, Corey Brewer and Joakim Noah fighting it out? Still take Green over Noah?
My point is this, that, yes, Irving not participating in these things may be sketchy and risky. But, I think he is the best basketball player in this draft and I do not think these other guys have convinced me enough of anything to say otherwise. Yes, it is impressive that Kanter was really fit, but he is no sure thing either. Derrick Williams has no defined position, and as much as his athleticism destroyed Duke's Plumlee and Singler line-up, he had trouble against size and I do not see him being Blake Griffin or anything. I think the Shareef Abdur-Rahim comparisons are a best case scenario, which still means he is worth a high pick, but I feel that Irving is much more of a sure thing. Just because Knight played in more games and did not have to come back from a lame injury that could happen to anyone, how does that mean he is better than Kyrie? He may be safer, but I am not even sure about that. When Kyrie Irving played, he looked like a first team All-American, scored incredibly efficiently and knew how to run a team. Who is to say that if he played the full season he would not have kept it up? Certainly looked pretty good against Arizona, even if people say otherwise.
As far as PG's leading teams, they may not be doing it, but who is seeing anyone in this draft is going to lead a team to a championship? It is not that kind of a draft in my opinion. To me, Irving, Kanter and Williams are more likely to play roles in championships if anything rather than lead a team to a championship. You need the proper personnel to do so, and Kyrie could very well be that if you get the right team around him. That is why people want to play with Derrick Rose, Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Because, with the right group of players, you can get things done. This Kidd guy may be old, but he lead his teams to many a win, and is playing a nice role in this whole deal.
You guys are all parrots that don't know anything else to do except repeat what you heard on other draft sites. This site has NEVER been wrong on their #1. Do your research.
At least Kanter did the athletic tests and is doing workouts against real players now. Irving won't even work out against chairs and was scared to take the athletic tests. As a GM you've got 8 college games to go on for Irving . Slam dunk, I think not.
I hope Kanter goes #1 and they get Knight at 4. If they do that and tank again next year to get Barnes, this team could be reallllllly good.
wow just a couple days ago i said i thought Kanter could easily end up as the best from the class and i got a bnch of negatives..looks like Aran wasn't one of those guys lol even i don't think he could be named as the best as quick as the time of the draft..