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- Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 12:09am #59731
casey38rayParticipantWhy do Sixers fans don’t want Emmanuel Mudiay? Most Sixers fans that I heard it was because he similar to Michael Carter-Williams. I laugh at that comparison because the only similarities they have is they tall ( EM 6’5" and MCW 6’6" ), they can’t shoot, and they’re a bit turnover prone. If you comparing just off that than you can compare him to John Wall, Penny Hardaway, and Russell Westbrook. That comparison is just like comparing Chris Paul to Allen Iverson. They are both 6′, can handle the rock, score the ball, and pass. You can’t make comparisons based off of bland characteristics of a player.
The diffenses between Emmanuel Mudiay and Michael Carter-Williams is that Mudiay is an elite athlete, 2-3 years younger coming into the draft, have a promising jump shot, post play, handle, and finisher. Michael Carter-Willams have put up inflated stats when he was with the Sixers, due the fact that they played the fastest pace in the league. He was never viewed as a franchise talent like Emmanuel Mudiay, his expections was just blown out of proportion due to the fact that he put up monster stats. But I saw somewhere that MCW had one of the worst Rookie of The Year seasons, in terms of Advance Metrics ( along with Andrew Wiggins ). Emmanuel Mudiay is an elite talent and is projected to be an all star in this league.
The comparison I draw from is a ceiling of John Wall and a floor of Tyreke Evans. I believe people underrate his point guard capabilities and just think of him as a turnover machine. He plays with the same passion someone like Russell Westbrook plays with and he wants to be the best player in the draft. Alot of players don’t play like that and that’s what I love about his game. He want’s to be the best player on the court and that’s another reason why the Michael Carter-Williams comparison confuse me because he don’t play with the same passion and energy and that Mudiay have better intangibles than MCW.
I have him 2nd in the point guard rankings behind D’Angelo Russell, mostly due to the fact that Russell seems like he will be one of the top scorers in the league in the next 5 years. Those two are clearly the top 2 point guards in this years draft. And there’s been reports that’s coming stating the " Sixers prefer Russell over Mudiay ". Don’t believe in that mess because nobody knows what will happen at draft night.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:04am #977000
Ebown5ParticipantI’m a sixer fan and I want Mudiay more than Russell.
On another site Sixer fans voted for Russell 3rd and Mudiay 4th so it isn’t like they don’t want him.
I also haven’t seen too many people comparing him to MCW.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:04am #976839
Ebown5ParticipantI’m a sixer fan and I want Mudiay more than Russell.
On another site Sixer fans voted for Russell 3rd and Mudiay 4th so it isn’t like they don’t want him.
I also haven’t seen too many people comparing him to MCW.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:19am #977006
PhillytheKidMCW – what intrigued everyone was his maturity and poise in that first game against the Heat. It impressed even Lebron James. So even thoguh he’s an older player, you could tell the kid was mature, and had physical characteristics that allowed him to stand out as a player. He will work and improve his shot. But the pressure is something that crushes a lot of really good players, they can’t handle it. Also, MCW had no talent around him. How he woudl’ve done distributing the ball to better players was something we could wait to see, instead of gambling our future to a 5 – 13 pick who may or may not be better than MCW.
Not only that, it added another need.
Although I think Russell will definitely be an upgrade and Mudiay probably will too, this is what i’ve been saying:
Why skip out on a talent like Karl Towns. Unless they get the first pick (where I think they’llt ake best available and take Towns), it will now be much harder to pass up on a player like Russell or Mudiay because that strong need is there. You could’ve taken Towns before without a conscience.
I don’t think right now there are any PGs with the talent of Mudiay and Towns in 2016. So you’re almost forced to take the PG this year even if the Lakers nab you the number 4 pick.
I do like the 2 guards in 2016.
Anyway, its just upsetting that we could’ve had Towns as a lock with that first pick, and played him with MCW, but now we have to fill that other hole. Makes me think Hinkie is trying to Fix that Baltimore Fire Hose gashed by the rioters. Fix one, the other leaks open up.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:19am #976845
PhillytheKidMCW – what intrigued everyone was his maturity and poise in that first game against the Heat. It impressed even Lebron James. So even thoguh he’s an older player, you could tell the kid was mature, and had physical characteristics that allowed him to stand out as a player. He will work and improve his shot. But the pressure is something that crushes a lot of really good players, they can’t handle it. Also, MCW had no talent around him. How he woudl’ve done distributing the ball to better players was something we could wait to see, instead of gambling our future to a 5 – 13 pick who may or may not be better than MCW.
Not only that, it added another need.
Although I think Russell will definitely be an upgrade and Mudiay probably will too, this is what i’ve been saying:
Why skip out on a talent like Karl Towns. Unless they get the first pick (where I think they’llt ake best available and take Towns), it will now be much harder to pass up on a player like Russell or Mudiay because that strong need is there. You could’ve taken Towns before without a conscience.
I don’t think right now there are any PGs with the talent of Mudiay and Towns in 2016. So you’re almost forced to take the PG this year even if the Lakers nab you the number 4 pick.
I do like the 2 guards in 2016.
Anyway, its just upsetting that we could’ve had Towns as a lock with that first pick, and played him with MCW, but now we have to fill that other hole. Makes me think Hinkie is trying to Fix that Baltimore Fire Hose gashed by the rioters. Fix one, the other leaks open up.
0- Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:40am #977014
Ebown5ParticipantI’m not sure that there really is such a thing as "need" with a team at this stage.
My mantra has been that we are nowhere until we find our first star. Embiid is that guy if he can be healthy, but we won’t know if he is healthy until he gets through a season.
Therefore we are still in asset acquisition mode and should not think about need, or at least need is a distant second to BPA.
MCW still obviously has a bright future, but Hinkie didn’t believe in him anymore and he sold high on him. Both Mudiay and Russell are more talented than MCW imo.
We will know a lot more about who we are going to get once the lottery happens, but I think we would be nuts to pass up either Towns or Okafor unless Russell and/or Mudiay excel in the workouts.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:40am #976853
Ebown5ParticipantI’m not sure that there really is such a thing as "need" with a team at this stage.
My mantra has been that we are nowhere until we find our first star. Embiid is that guy if he can be healthy, but we won’t know if he is healthy until he gets through a season.
Therefore we are still in asset acquisition mode and should not think about need, or at least need is a distant second to BPA.
MCW still obviously has a bright future, but Hinkie didn’t believe in him anymore and he sold high on him. Both Mudiay and Russell are more talented than MCW imo.
We will know a lot more about who we are going to get once the lottery happens, but I think we would be nuts to pass up either Towns or Okafor unless Russell and/or Mudiay excel in the workouts.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 11:43am #976919
Magic JordanParticipantWow, a Philly fan that speaks the truth and is honest about the situation, most likely negged by other Philly fans.
I personally don’t see the comparisons between MCW and Mudiay aside from what others have said, they are both big PG’s… can’t really shoot (which I will get to in a minute) and are turnover prone.
Mudiay to me isn’t the athlete of John Wall or D Rose or Westbrook, those guys are just a cut above the rest. His athleticism to me is a tier below that of those guys, which isn’t a bad thing… it still translates to a great athlete, but he’s not in that upper echelon, at least from what I have seen of his footage to date. He is significantly faster than everyone he plays against, the ultimate test will be to see if it holds against NBA athletes, then I will happily eat my words. But for now, I think is athleticism is a touch over rated.
He differs from MCW to me because I don’t think Mudiay is as poor of a shooter as some make him out to be. Obviously his FT% and 3P% are not where you would like them to be, I think both of those are corrected with time. Where he is a cut above MCW is his midrange game. Which is actually quite nice. He is a good enough shooter from the mid range that it will open up the pick and roll for him greatly, in which he is already better at running than MCW. This is where I think he will have an impact immediately is running the pick and roll. If he is surrounded by shooters it will only mean more production.
I think at their respective stages right now, Mudiay is better as a 19 year old then MCW is as a 23? year old. He may shoot equally as poor from 3 point and FT line as MCW for a season or two, but his FG% will be greatly better due to his mid range game…
In my humble opinion.
But what the hell do I know.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 11:43am #977080
Magic JordanParticipantWow, a Philly fan that speaks the truth and is honest about the situation, most likely negged by other Philly fans.
I personally don’t see the comparisons between MCW and Mudiay aside from what others have said, they are both big PG’s… can’t really shoot (which I will get to in a minute) and are turnover prone.
Mudiay to me isn’t the athlete of John Wall or D Rose or Westbrook, those guys are just a cut above the rest. His athleticism to me is a tier below that of those guys, which isn’t a bad thing… it still translates to a great athlete, but he’s not in that upper echelon, at least from what I have seen of his footage to date. He is significantly faster than everyone he plays against, the ultimate test will be to see if it holds against NBA athletes, then I will happily eat my words. But for now, I think is athleticism is a touch over rated.
He differs from MCW to me because I don’t think Mudiay is as poor of a shooter as some make him out to be. Obviously his FT% and 3P% are not where you would like them to be, I think both of those are corrected with time. Where he is a cut above MCW is his midrange game. Which is actually quite nice. He is a good enough shooter from the mid range that it will open up the pick and roll for him greatly, in which he is already better at running than MCW. This is where I think he will have an impact immediately is running the pick and roll. If he is surrounded by shooters it will only mean more production.
I think at their respective stages right now, Mudiay is better as a 19 year old then MCW is as a 23? year old. He may shoot equally as poor from 3 point and FT line as MCW for a season or two, but his FG% will be greatly better due to his mid range game…
In my humble opinion.
But what the hell do I know.
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- Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:53am #977018
ph90702It’s a shame that he didn’t get into SMU. He would’ve been in contention for the #1 overall pick.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:53am #976857
ph90702It’s a shame that he didn’t get into SMU. He would’ve been in contention for the #1 overall pick.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:58am #977020
Bmore_DCParticipant@PillyTheKid thats a lame shot at baltimore and wasnt even funny.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:58am #976859
Bmore_DCParticipant@PillyTheKid thats a lame shot at baltimore and wasnt even funny.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 9:09am #976905
Sewok15ParticipantThis is simple….you already answered yourself. It isn’t that they don’t want Mudiay just that they have Russell ranked ahead of him just like you do. The reason most people including myself have Russell ranked over Mudiay is because they have seen him play more. Mudiay could be the next John Wall but he could also be Tyreke Evans like you say (and not 20,5,5 rookie year Tyreke I assume). I would just be more comfortable with the player that will likely be one of the better scorers in the league in 5 years…especially considering the Sixers need a player that can make a jumpshot worse than just about any team in history.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 9:09am #977066
Sewok15ParticipantThis is simple….you already answered yourself. It isn’t that they don’t want Mudiay just that they have Russell ranked ahead of him just like you do. The reason most people including myself have Russell ranked over Mudiay is because they have seen him play more. Mudiay could be the next John Wall but he could also be Tyreke Evans like you say (and not 20,5,5 rookie year Tyreke I assume). I would just be more comfortable with the player that will likely be one of the better scorers in the league in 5 years…especially considering the Sixers need a player that can make a jumpshot worse than just about any team in history.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 9:34am #976911
EspressoprodigyParticipantMudiay looks nice, he is quick with passing vision and but with his kind of athleticism he has a major advantage in China, a player like Stanley Johnson would look incredible in China because he would out beast people at will.
I dont think Mudaiy is the athlete John Wall is and doesnt have the handles of a yound wall either. There are alot of PG with similar attributes, Semaj Christon, Lorenzo Brown, Kris Dunn… all these player would look beast in China. On the other hand, players like Dangelo Rusell dont come around often, he has just unreal shooting (quick, range, creative, catch or pull up) paired with his handles, passing and size, its quite an easy decision to go with Dangelo.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 9:34am #977072
EspressoprodigyParticipantMudiay looks nice, he is quick with passing vision and but with his kind of athleticism he has a major advantage in China, a player like Stanley Johnson would look incredible in China because he would out beast people at will.
I dont think Mudaiy is the athlete John Wall is and doesnt have the handles of a yound wall either. There are alot of PG with similar attributes, Semaj Christon, Lorenzo Brown, Kris Dunn… all these player would look beast in China. On the other hand, players like Dangelo Rusell dont come around often, he has just unreal shooting (quick, range, creative, catch or pull up) paired with his handles, passing and size, its quite an easy decision to go with Dangelo.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 9:56am #976913
reanimatorParticipant"There are alot of PG with similar attributes, Semaj Christon, Lorenzo Brown, Kris Dunn"
lol what?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 9:56am #977074
reanimatorParticipant"There are alot of PG with similar attributes, Semaj Christon, Lorenzo Brown, Kris Dunn"
lol what?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 12:26pm #976921
OhCanada-ParticipantI think Russell has proven he can be an elite perimeter scorer as a freshman at the college level while being a steady PG that does not ruin the flow of the game. Mudiay seems like a great all around option at PG but doesnt have the exposure to prove he is elite in any field. Mudiay reminds me of a more athletic Jrue Holiday whereas Russell seems to be like a Stephen Curry/Brandon Roy type smooth scorer. I would go for the potential first option type player to go along with the plethora of bugs and forwards Philly has acquired.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 12:26pm #977081
OhCanada-ParticipantI think Russell has proven he can be an elite perimeter scorer as a freshman at the college level while being a steady PG that does not ruin the flow of the game. Mudiay seems like a great all around option at PG but doesnt have the exposure to prove he is elite in any field. Mudiay reminds me of a more athletic Jrue Holiday whereas Russell seems to be like a Stephen Curry/Brandon Roy type smooth scorer. I would go for the potential first option type player to go along with the plethora of bugs and forwards Philly has acquired.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 12:40pm #976925
HitsterParticipantIf the rumours are true Hinkie is very high on Russell who will give them the shooting that they need. What the end value of the MCW trade ends up being we will have to wait and see. Hinkie wasn’t sold on MCW and the Suns could have done a straight up trade for him if they had wanted him I guess. But the Bucks were happy to do the trade and now with MCW having Jason Kidd to guide him the trade may be mutually good for all parties.
I fully agree that if Mudiay had spent a year under Larry Brown, he’d have been a much better prospect and would have been superbly versed in defence. His draft position has still held up well though.
I wonder what will happen if Philly get 1st or 2nd pick but want to draft Russell who may be consensus 3rd pick do they take him a place or two higher or try to do a trade to move down a spot. They would not have huge room for manoeuvre as they would still need to be in a position to get Russell and the team say picking 3rd might think they can sit tight and grab either Okafor or Towns. However if a team does want to move up the chance of getting Okafor or Towns would likely land Hinkie a nice asset.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 12:40pm #977085
HitsterParticipantIf the rumours are true Hinkie is very high on Russell who will give them the shooting that they need. What the end value of the MCW trade ends up being we will have to wait and see. Hinkie wasn’t sold on MCW and the Suns could have done a straight up trade for him if they had wanted him I guess. But the Bucks were happy to do the trade and now with MCW having Jason Kidd to guide him the trade may be mutually good for all parties.
I fully agree that if Mudiay had spent a year under Larry Brown, he’d have been a much better prospect and would have been superbly versed in defence. His draft position has still held up well though.
I wonder what will happen if Philly get 1st or 2nd pick but want to draft Russell who may be consensus 3rd pick do they take him a place or two higher or try to do a trade to move down a spot. They would not have huge room for manoeuvre as they would still need to be in a position to get Russell and the team say picking 3rd might think they can sit tight and grab either Okafor or Towns. However if a team does want to move up the chance of getting Okafor or Towns would likely land Hinkie a nice asset.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 1:06pm #976927
DukeDaSquadParticipantYou said Mudiay is an elite athlete, but isnt carter williams also? I would also say that carter williams has a promising jump shot. He has good form and alot of focus over the offseason could improve it drastically. Especially playing under a point guard coach like Kidd who was also a bad shooter coming into the NBA but is now number 5 on the 3 point field goals made career list. I dont think that being compared to carter williams is a bad thing
0- Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:55pm #976939
EndlessknightParticipantMCW is in no way an elite athlete by NBA standards. Given some of the stuff I’ve read in this thread I question if you guys have actually watched him much.
0- Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:16pm #976943
DukeDaSquadParticipantI have watched alot of bucks games this season. I was also going off of his combine numbers
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 3:16pm #977103
DukeDaSquadParticipantI have watched alot of bucks games this season. I was also going off of his combine numbers
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- Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:55pm #977099
EndlessknightParticipantMCW is in no way an elite athlete by NBA standards. Given some of the stuff I’ve read in this thread I question if you guys have actually watched him much.
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- Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 1:06pm #977087
DukeDaSquadParticipantYou said Mudiay is an elite athlete, but isnt carter williams also? I would also say that carter williams has a promising jump shot. He has good form and alot of focus over the offseason could improve it drastically. Especially playing under a point guard coach like Kidd who was also a bad shooter coming into the NBA but is now number 5 on the 3 point field goals made career list. I dont think that being compared to carter williams is a bad thing
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:49pm #976937
jrblazeParticipantMCW is going to be a stud in this league, don’t get that twisted. Just because the sixers got rid of him doesn’t mean he’s trash.
In regards to the draft, it’s simple. Russell if your picking at 3, Mudiay if your picking at 4, Winslow if your picking at 5.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:49pm #977097
jrblazeParticipantMCW is going to be a stud in this league, don’t get that twisted. Just because the sixers got rid of him doesn’t mean he’s trash.
In regards to the draft, it’s simple. Russell if your picking at 3, Mudiay if your picking at 4, Winslow if your picking at 5.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:59pm #976941
r377ParticipantIt doesn’t really matter at this stage. There will be another new Sixers draft thread made tomorrow…..
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/28/2015 - 2:59pm #977101
r377ParticipantIt doesn’t really matter at this stage. There will be another new Sixers draft thread made tomorrow…..
0 - Posted on: Wed, 04/29/2015 - 4:17am #976987
Jerrell7ParticipantHe is who we want. If we go 1 or 2 expect a trade. This is the summer of sam.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 04/29/2015 - 4:17am #977147
Jerrell7ParticipantHe is who we want. If we go 1 or 2 expect a trade. This is the summer of sam.
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