[diggs76Participant]

A couple of thoughts on Emannuel Mudiay

1.  Do you think China helped or hurt Mudiay in the draft?  For a large chunk of time, he was looked at as a possible #1 overall pick for this draft.  I think the decision to go to China instead of SMU actually hurt him.  Out of sight, out of mind.  He struggled to start the year (although he improved greatly as the year went on) in China and I wonder if that turned some people off.  If he was at SMU, and went off at the end of the year or tournament, his stock would’ve soared.  Instead, he’s kind of a man of mystery with not a ton of tape to go off of.

2.  I keep seeing the comparisons to John Wall, but I’m not seeing it.  He more reminds me of a thinner Marcus Smart.  Good athlete.  Good at attacking the rim.  Not a very good shooter.  Watching his workout video…he takes a TON of time to get his shot off.  He has to gather himself and then his whole motion is slow.  He will struggle to get his shot off against NBA defenders unless he speeds it up.  And if he speeds it up, his shot stuggles.  Don’t get me wrong, he’ll be successful, but like I said, more as a power-point guard (Marcus Smart) than a shooter.  Power-point guards can only take you so far in today’s NBA.

Of course, once again, I’m basing my thoughts off of just a little bit of work-out tape.  He’s a bit of a toss-up for me.  Chinese competition, while improving, is not at the level of the NCAA.

 

 

 

 

 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 I think Mudiay is most comparable to Eric Bledsoe, but I think he has a bit better court vision. 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 I think Mudiay is most comparable to Eric Bledsoe, but I think he has a bit better court vision. 

[sweaterflexParticipant]

One thing is for certain, playing in China helped Mudiay provide for his family, which overrides dropping a spot or two in the draft.

Did Mudiay get better preparation playing in China than in college?  It’s hard to tell, especially when former NBA players go to China and light it up (Andray Blatche was putting up Lew Alcindor numbers last I checked).  The spacing in China is likely more similar to the NBA than the NCAA, where the long shot clock, short 3 point line, and clogged lanes limit the flow of the game.  

How did playing in China influence his stock?  Scouts have a lot of footage of Mudiay from high school, and players were taken in the top half of the lottery out of high school all the time before the one and done rule.  A lot of your view depends on how good you think Mudiay is.  If he went to SMU and averaged 14 points and 6 assists at SMU with the same middling percentages he had in China, would he be going in the same place he is now?  I think so.  Mudiay reminds me of Jrue Holiday, very solid all around but not really a franchise player.  I still think a Jrue Holiday-type on a rookie scale deal is worth taking in the middle of the lottery. 

[sweaterflexParticipant]

One thing is for certain, playing in China helped Mudiay provide for his family, which overrides dropping a spot or two in the draft.

Did Mudiay get better preparation playing in China than in college?  It’s hard to tell, especially when former NBA players go to China and light it up (Andray Blatche was putting up Lew Alcindor numbers last I checked).  The spacing in China is likely more similar to the NBA than the NCAA, where the long shot clock, short 3 point line, and clogged lanes limit the flow of the game.  

How did playing in China influence his stock?  Scouts have a lot of footage of Mudiay from high school, and players were taken in the top half of the lottery out of high school all the time before the one and done rule.  A lot of your view depends on how good you think Mudiay is.  If he went to SMU and averaged 14 points and 6 assists at SMU with the same middling percentages he had in China, would he be going in the same place he is now?  I think so.  Mudiay reminds me of Jrue Holiday, very solid all around but not really a franchise player.  I still think a Jrue Holiday-type on a rookie scale deal is worth taking in the middle of the lottery. 

[XYRYXParticipant]

Good analysis to me. I think the chinese league is a bit strange to explain. Offensively there are a lot of players who have been borderline good in the NBA and put up very good numbers there and the main reason for that is pretty bad defense. This makes it tough to evaluate how good someone like Mudiay really is but to me it’s impressive to move to China his age, become a pro in a league he doesn’t understand a word and had injury troubles as well and still found ways to shine to put him in his draft stock position he is in right now. 

On the other hand he is the guy I don’t know much about but I have heard like 10 different podcasts regarding the draft and the Mudiay / Holiday comparisons was brought up from almost everyone. I think he is not the freak athlete many believed he is when he left high school but he is strong, fast and quick enough to defend both guard position which is very valuable for any team and will help him earn minutes if he plays next year as a rookie on a bad team. 

[XYRYXParticipant]

Good analysis to me. I think the chinese league is a bit strange to explain. Offensively there are a lot of players who have been borderline good in the NBA and put up very good numbers there and the main reason for that is pretty bad defense. This makes it tough to evaluate how good someone like Mudiay really is but to me it’s impressive to move to China his age, become a pro in a league he doesn’t understand a word and had injury troubles as well and still found ways to shine to put him in his draft stock position he is in right now. 

On the other hand he is the guy I don’t know much about but I have heard like 10 different podcasts regarding the draft and the Mudiay / Holiday comparisons was brought up from almost everyone. I think he is not the freak athlete many believed he is when he left high school but he is strong, fast and quick enough to defend both guard position which is very valuable for any team and will help him earn minutes if he plays next year as a rookie on a bad team. 

[machu46Participant]

I think playing in China better prepares him for the NBA, but hurts his draft stock because like the OP said, out of sight, out of mind.

Regarding a comparison, I think of him as a taller Marcus Smart with legit PG skills.

 

[machu46Participant]

I think playing in China better prepares him for the NBA, but hurts his draft stock because like the OP said, out of sight, out of mind.

Regarding a comparison, I think of him as a taller Marcus Smart with legit PG skills.

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 He have better scoring potential that Smart. He have a more explosive first step and have a post game that nobody talks about

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 He have better scoring potential that Smart. He have a more explosive first step and have a post game that nobody talks about

[PrezNYC621Participant]

 Very good point about his post game. It’s so sad how these so called experts and don’t realize all the parts to his game. Only thing he needs more work on jumper, consistent release point, releases too late. I’ll be happiest Knicks fan on earth if Knicks take him at 4. But Phil doesn’t value PGs ( which is crazy to me) n he’s gonna pick the best guy to mak his crappy triangle look successful. Life sucks as a Knicks fan. 

[PrezNYC621Participant]

 Very good point about his post game. It’s so sad how these so called experts and don’t realize all the parts to his game. Only thing he needs more work on jumper, consistent release point, releases too late. I’ll be happiest Knicks fan on earth if Knicks take him at 4. But Phil doesn’t value PGs ( which is crazy to me) n he’s gonna pick the best guy to mak his crappy triangle look successful. Life sucks as a Knicks fan. 

[shootingstar11Participant]

you look at NCAA, there’s a bunch of college kids who’s got no business playing pros anywhere.. and that’s why guys like Russel / Oakfor lighted them out…

I do think playing professionally in China / Europe better prepares players for the next level, NBA.

You go through all the routines that pros go through, traveling schedule and all that stuff.  Mudiay’s stock may have hurt his stock, but he’ll get selected and whoever selects him would be blessed w/ his talent.

 

 

  

[shootingstar11Participant]

you look at NCAA, there’s a bunch of college kids who’s got no business playing pros anywhere.. and that’s why guys like Russel / Oakfor lighted them out…

I do think playing professionally in China / Europe better prepares players for the next level, NBA.

You go through all the routines that pros go through, traveling schedule and all that stuff.  Mudiay’s stock may have hurt his stock, but he’ll get selected and whoever selects him would be blessed w/ his talent.

 

 

  

[Lotto StudParticipant]

"I just took a look at Emmanuel Mudiay’s profile on the site and my radar went up instantly once I seen another John Wall comparison being thrown out there, where the first one came from Semaj Christon at the beginning of the season. While many may disagree with me on my take, I would like to state the obvious on Mudiay.

Although Emmanuel Mudiay is in the mold of the "New Gen PGs" size wise, I see no comparison to Wall at all. Athletic shall I say and quite underrated as an athletic PG to some regard, because many may expect more out of him due to the rare size but he does just enough to make you not forget about his athleticism. When it boils down to finding an "ideal" representation of what he brings to the game, I see Kyrie Irving being a better fit than what everyone wants out of him when bringing up John Wall comparisons.

The same way no one really thinks much of Kyrie Irving when it comes to athleticism that’s how I view Mudiay, because Irving is more than capable of pulling out a few head scratchers to leave you blown away by the perception of not being an elite athlete. Mudiay not as playground with the ball like Irving but shows flashes here and there that he can bring that out if he wants to put on a show."

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/back-drawing-board-emmanuel-mudiay

 Kyrie Irving athleticism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPP7pf2Ng3s

[Lotto StudParticipant]

"I just took a look at Emmanuel Mudiay’s profile on the site and my radar went up instantly once I seen another John Wall comparison being thrown out there, where the first one came from Semaj Christon at the beginning of the season. While many may disagree with me on my take, I would like to state the obvious on Mudiay.

Although Emmanuel Mudiay is in the mold of the "New Gen PGs" size wise, I see no comparison to Wall at all. Athletic shall I say and quite underrated as an athletic PG to some regard, because many may expect more out of him due to the rare size but he does just enough to make you not forget about his athleticism. When it boils down to finding an "ideal" representation of what he brings to the game, I see Kyrie Irving being a better fit than what everyone wants out of him when bringing up John Wall comparisons.

The same way no one really thinks much of Kyrie Irving when it comes to athleticism that’s how I view Mudiay, because Irving is more than capable of pulling out a few head scratchers to leave you blown away by the perception of not being an elite athlete. Mudiay not as playground with the ball like Irving but shows flashes here and there that he can bring that out if he wants to put on a show."

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/back-drawing-board-emmanuel-mudiay

 Kyrie Irving athleticism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPP7pf2Ng3s

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 So thats a poor comparison. He also has more vision than Smart. Not the same level defender though. Have you watched Smart? He needs to figure out HOW to attack the rim.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 So thats a poor comparison. He also has more vision than Smart. Not the same level defender though. Have you watched Smart? He needs to figure out HOW to attack the rim.

[VintageKobeParticipant]

I think he’ll end up being the best player in this draft. He’s suffering bad from going overseas. If he stayed at SMU he’d be going #1 overall. He dominated the high school allstar games. 

[VintageKobeParticipant]

I think he’ll end up being the best player in this draft. He’s suffering bad from going overseas. If he stayed at SMU he’d be going #1 overall. He dominated the high school allstar games. 

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