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ellis or eric gordon

yup, whos better IYO(in your opinion)


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Gordon is a really good

Gordon is a really good player in his own right. But i would take Monta.

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Toss up, but Monta. They

Toss up, but Monta. They each have their strengths but as of right now, but Monta Ellis is more dynamic.

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Monta is the better player

Monta is the better player and he proved it last night. However, I think Gordon will have a longer jevity because Ellis' has a bit of recklessness in his game and that he sacrifices his body to get to the lane and he is leading the league in minutes played. It will be interesting to see how long Ellis can keep this up, Iverson did it for a long period, I wonder if Ellis could do it as well. BUT ELLIS > GORDON right now.

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i like

montas style. but i think eric gordon will be the better player in the long run. hes really well built with his body and has a good skill set.

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the other day someone asked

the other day someone asked who was better oj mayo or james harden? the posters made some great points for both players being better...i'm loving these comparisions better than those rose or westbrook questions...they were making me mad....and i look like dallas lauderdale and whoopi goldberg's lovechild when i'm mad.....

to me monta and eric gordon games are almost similar...

but since i was born in mississippi and so is monta..i'm going with my homeboy monta....

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I don't know how Ellis proved

I don't know how Ellis proved he was better than Gordon last night. I'd say they played each other to a draw. Gordon made huge baskets in the fourth quarter... It's not his fault Griffin didn't close out well on Radmanovic on two consecutive three-pointers. Both played extremely well last night. During the times they defended each other, neither stopped the other.

I don't think their games are really all that similar either. Ellis is extremely more dynamic. Ellis is a speedy guard, while Gordon is more of a power guard. Ellis is a better ball handler and also has a better mid-range game. He's also quicker at getting to the rim. While Gordon is the stronger finisher around the rim, Ellis is the more creative.

Despite Ellis having more natural talent, I'd take Gordon. Gordon has more length/strength, which allows him to defend three positions. Ellis gets out in the passing lanes quicker than Gordon, but isn't the defender that Gordon is. Offensively, he scores just as well as Ellis, just not with as much flair. He gets to the rim just as well, while being able to absorb more contact. I also think he has better shot selection and plays a better team game... Gordon has the game to play off of another star or be a star. His numbers are close to Ellis' despite the fact he isn't really the first option on the Clippers.

Gordon is also two to three years younger, while being just as good. Ellis wasn't this good his third year in the league.

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I'll take Gordon. Longer,

I'll take Gordon. Longer, stronger, better long-ball, and is no slouch athletically. The strides he's made from last year to this has been incredible. I love Monta, but he's not really going to get much better. Small frame, short wingspan, and doesn't have the greatest court vision/decision making(has developed a lot since being drafted in this regard though). I'd take either on the Lakeshow though. Dynamic young guards.

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Ellis is better right now,

Ellis is better right now, but I guess people would take Gordon because of 'potential'.

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Gordon is a player you can

Gordon is a player you can win a championship with, Monta I never see doing so. Gordon has very good defensive capabilities, and when the Clippers get more offensive firepower he'll be able to expend more energy on that end. Ellis isn't as long, needs to be the top scorer on his own team and doesn't have the leadership qualities required for a first option. Whoever said Gordon could play as the star or with the star was completely right, he's almost a Scottie Pippen player, he can take over, but he's just as good as a complementary piece. So yeah, I'll take Gordon, simply because D wins championships.

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Gordon is a player you can

Gordon is a player you can win a championship with, Monta I never see doing so. Gordon has very good defensive capabilities, and when the Clippers get more offensive firepower he'll be able to expend more energy on that end. Ellis isn't as long, needs to be the top scorer on his own team and doesn't have the leadership qualities required for a first option. Whoever said Gordon could play as the star or with the star was completely right, he's almost a Scottie Pippen player, he can take over, but he's just as good as a complementary piece. So yeah, I'll take Gordon, simply because D wins championships.

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Damn I hadn't double-posted

Damn I hadn't double-posted in ages. Least my streak wasn't ended by a flagrant foul... sucks to be Andre Miller.

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Agreed, not sure you win a

Agreed, not sure you win a title with Monta as your main guy. Gil wasn't even able to do it, and he's much better built physically.

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Who are we to say a certain

Who are we to say a certain player doesn't have what it takes to win a championship or a player will never be able to co-exist with another superstar? It was once said that Paul Pierce could not win a championship because he was A "ball dominant" type guard and that it would be difficult to pair him up with another star player. Ellis is one of the most humble NBA stars you will find, you don't even see him doing any commercials because he's very laid back and doesn't want attention to himself, and I know this because I live in San Francisco, practically watches every Warriors game and have met him personally twice.

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@mess.eee; well, his beef

@mess.eee; well, his beef with Steph Curry last season is one indicator. As for Paul Pierce, did he win a championship as the star player? Not really. Did he co-exist with other superstars when he had a choice? Not really either. It took a career of solitary futility for Pierce to accept the help of others and to do whatever it took to win. Maybe Monta will win when he's older and wiser, but Gordon could contribute on a championship team right now and play well with other stars; don't underestimate the value of his FIBA experience last off-season.

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^^^

Pierce was no longer a star player when he won His championship? Your kidding right? The year before Allen and KG joined, he averaged 25PPG. He was in his prime when KG and Allen joined, so don't say he wasn't in his star status when he win his title.

And as far as beef between Ellis and Curry, there is no such beef. Where did you hear this from?

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Sure he was a star player,

Sure he was a star player, but he was like Kobe is now, he couldn't win it without serious help and he knew it.

It was well publicised that he was frustrated that the ownership was looking at Curry as the future of the franchise and seemingly forgot about him. While he didn't have a specific beef with Curry as a person, the idea of what Curry represented certainly didn't sit well with Ellis.

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^^^

Pierce was the Finals MVP, he was the best player on that Championship team, he was STILL A STAR CALIBER player when he won the title. Not only did he outplayed Kobe but he contained him defensively. He was the best player on that series.

And I live in the Bay Area and read SF Chronicles pretty much everyday, and I have never read any article about Ellis and Curry having any turmoil ever since Curry arrived.

All your comments are based on opinions with no facts or evidence. So it's pretty pointless to go back and forth with you.

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Haha we're talking about a

Haha we're talking about a hypothetical future, what can we offer except opinions? Certainly not facts. My evidence is that he's a worse defender and even while averaging 25ppg this season can't get to the playoffs, let alone the championship as the first option. Now, obviously the championship is well out of reach this season, but the 8th seed in the West is by no means a lock for any team right now. Now, I'm of the opinion that Monta can't be anything but a first option at this stage in his career, whereas Gordon to me can, hence, I'd rather have Gordon for a championship run, which really, is what it all comes down to.

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"It was once said that Paul

"It was once said that Paul Pierce could not win a championship because he was A "ball dominant" type guard and that it would be difficult to pair him up with another star player."

That's funny because Pierce played with an All-Star (who had the ball a lot) for the first five years of his NBA career and had no problem. Are you forgetting about Antoine Walker? Pierce had two of the best seasons of his NBA career playing alongside Walker. Together, they led the Celtics to their first playoff appearance in seven seasons and all of the way to the Eastern Conference Finals.

From the seasons 2003/2004 - 2006/2007, Pierce HAD to be a ball dominant player. His teams weren't that good. Danny Ainge was a TERRIBLE GM. Pierce was either playing with young players or washed up/off-injured veterans.

Pierce has always had the game to play off of another star. He's pretty much been a complete player since Kansas.

And Ellis did have a problem with the Warriors drafting Curry. He didn't think he and Curry could play in the same backcourt. He didn't think it'd work defensively, plus he was just deemed to be the point guard of the future. I don't know how you missed this living in the Bay Area. They didn't have the best relationship Curry's rookie season, which is why Ellis inviting Curry to his wedding last summer was a big step towards improving their relationship.

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I think Ellis is better right

I think Ellis is better right now, but Gordons growth has been phenominal... Theyre games are virtually mirror images, except Gordans built like a tank, and Ellis like a sportscar, but they are both dynamic athletes with superior driving games, some inconsistancies as they get deeper (Gordon looks like he'll be a high percentage shooter as Griffin takes more and more pressure off him), and awesome hands.

I'll take Baby Wade for the long term tho. Gordon.

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the beef

I know what he's talking about. It wasnt necessarily a "beef" but monta ellis was quoted saying that he didnt know if playin with curry was the best idea and was a bit frustrated. I remember draft nite was the night i heard it the most. Monta didnt feel that 2 small guards was a good thing at the time. So omphalos wsnt lying because i remember this

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