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Eastern Conferences Conternder Trade I'd Love to See Happen

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Eastern Conferences Conternder Trade I'd Love to See Happen

Came up with a realistic trade I thought Chicago should make happen. I tried to make it as fair as possible for both teams and keep team's stated salary cap positions in mind. Hopefully you guys enjoy and it creates some good discussion.

Chicago Bulls trade Marquis Teague(almost age 20), Kyle Korver's full trade exception, 2 second round picks to Orlando Magic for J.J. Redick(age 28).

Chicago makes this trade to pick up a player who can stretch defenses with his 3pt range, hes an a slightly above average man defender and definitely above average help defender who has the IQ to learn Tibs defense complex defensive scheme, he'd slot in perfectly alongside Rose, Butler, Deng, and Noah to form a very dangerous lineup that matches up very well with Miami and New York (its an interesting lineup that would be very disruptive defensively with their speed and length and offers scoring, however Tibs has shown hes not really into smallball lineups with Deng at the 4 so I'm not sure how often Tibs would theoritically employ this lineup.) Salary capwise this trade makes sense because Jerry Reinsdorf has said he'd be willing to pay the luxury tax for the next two years (source: Zach Lowe's recent article about the Bulls on grantland.com) and Chicago would have 7 players under contract for $72,12,7893 plus whatever Redick's contract would be if Chicago chose to resign him after this season ( I see 3 years, $18-20 million being realistic terms), plus their 1st round draft picks salary and 3 players making the veterans minimum which adds up to approx $83 million salary for the 13/14 season. The 14/15 season opens up the possibility for Chicago to get under the luxury cap line if they amnestied Boozers contract which seems like the year they would do it because Boozer would be a 32 year old PF who's only played 75% of his teams games over the last 4 years (not counting games this season), they would only have to eat one year of his salary, and Deng's going to be a free agent and they'd need to free up cap space to sign him and fill out the roster. Teague is the 4th string pg who's not going to receive much playing time this year or the next, so it makes sense to move him while hes still an unknown quantity to teams where his youth,potential, and rookie scale contract has value.

Orlando makes this trade because J.J. Redick is not in their long term plans due to Arron Afflalo being until the 15/16 season and Orlando is not going to pay two shooting guards starting money long term. Orlando is trying to bottom out their roster, they've stated they aren't willing to take on long term money and seemingly they'd only want draft picks and low cost players in trades, as they're trying to get the best draft picks possible and wait for the 14/15 season when they have major cap flexibility. Teague makes sense for Orlando because they have no heir apparent for Jameer Nelson. Nelson is about to be 31 years old in 3 days, has only played 75% of his games the past 4 seasons (not counting games this season), his contract has an $8 million team option in 14/15 season and the team definitely needs a legit backup pg to spell him and also to groom for his starting spot in the near future. Teague fits all of this criteria and while he needs a lot of development he has youth and speed going for him and needs some playing time to develop, which he wont receive in Chicago for the next year and a half. I don't see Orlando balking at trading Redick in-conference because they know they aren't contenders and they also save money on the deal (they don't have to pay Redick's salary after the trade deadline which would save approx $2 million) so its pretty desirable for several reasons.

Interested to see what you guys think


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Even though I'd love to see

Even though I'd love to see another great shooter on the Bulls, the fact of the matter is that they just don't have enough minutes to go around in the backcourt especially with D-Rose coming back.

I mean, Hinrich has had some huge games for them and his defense is among the best in the league, he's going to get PT regardless, Nate Robinson is playing like a stud lately, Marco Bellineli is a slightly lesser version of Redick who has also shown he can ball, Richard Hamilton who still has some game left in him, and Jimmy Butler who can play the 2 and the 3 but mostly the 2 has proven to be a rugged defender who's averaging 15 and 8 in the past 11 games. There are about 104 minutes to go around for those players( the two guard spots plus the 8 minutes Deng sits, which will be given to Butler) for 5 players including D-Rose. Obviously Rose is going to be seeing limited minutes for quite some time, but come April when he gets up to about 35 a game, that would leave 69 minutes for Robinson, Hinrich, Hamilton, Bellineli, and Butler. That's about 14 for each guy, which might work, but that means Robinson will be stashed on the bench(Stephen A made a great point about how Thibs is different that D'Antoni in the sense that even though they each didm't like Robinson and he doesn't fit Thibs' system, he still plays him because he needs his offense, but that probably won't be the case with Rose back) and decent minutes left for everyone else. I can't possibly see them adding Redick to that mix, and remember, Daequan Cook is also buried on Chicago's bench so I think they have enough shooters. It's a good idea, but just not enough room in Chicago's backcourt.

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In my opinion Chicago

In my opinion Chicago desperately needs 3pt shooting in starting lineup for spacing purposes and to be the recipient of swing passes after Rose initiated pick n rolls and drive and dishes. Rose, Butler, Deng, Robinson and Heinrich are average or below 3pt shooters and the team needs a corner shooter (something Redick excells at). Rip is obviously not a starter at this point in his career and his shooting and durability leave a lot to be desired at this point. Marco has been pretty solid coming off the bench, but is overextended in his shot creating role when he comes into the game and really should only be playing 15 min max. Butler is best suited at the 3, but can definitely play the 2 spot however his poor 3pt shooting would make for terrible spacing if paired with Deng and Rose. Heinrich is solid and can play both guard spots and play sticky d, but his offense is nonexistent most nights. Robinson has played extremely well in his role and can bust out with huge offensive nights and carry the Bull's offensive load, however I feel Tibs would like to play him a lot less somewhere around the 10 min mark per game. Daequan Cook is roster filler and barely sees any action so I don't see why he would factor into the Bulls not trading for a starting caliber sg. That's just how I see their rotation and I feel sg is the biggest need to push that team to another level.

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Robinson is shooting threes

Robinson is shooting threes at 40%, Hinrich at 39%, each make more than 1 a game, and Belinelli is shooting it at 36%. I completely understand where you're coming from, but three point shooting just isn't part of their offense, and although you do make a good point about Redick spreading the floor, I feel like Belinelli can do a lot of the things Redick can do, I know Redick is better and can score in more ways but he really won't be asked to score in more ways and won't see the court for more than 20 mins a game with this jammed backcourt.

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I think Belinelli is OK for

I think Belinelli is OK for that role, too. If Chicago really wants Reddick they should deal someone that is getting minutes right now, otherwise some guys are going to be upset getting 10 mpg when Rose comes back.

PS: The trade is not lopsided by any means. I just don't see Chicago looking for Redick right now.

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When Rose gets back they

When Rose gets back they could really use a sharpshooter like Reddick. Those other guys can hit the 3's but they aren't guys you can't leave open at any cost. I am a Duke hater and especially Reddick but he can play and would fit in perfectly in Chicago.

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How I see it

I get what you're saying aamir, but I think you're overvaluing Chicago's wing role players. It all really boils down to how you view their team and we aren't seeing eye to eye in this matter. I'm a big fan of Butler, but just feel that he isn't an ideal fit playing the 2 spot especially alongside Rose and Deng, defenses would be able to cheat an extra step or two towards the paint to shut down lanes and wouldn't be punished on a consistent basis by kickout 3's.

Hamilton at this point is a shell of his former self and has to work very hard to produce points plus defenses aren't respecting his 3pt shot and hes only taking one 3pt attempt per game, on top of that he hasn't been effective defensively, his durability is a huge concern and he's an almost 35 year old player who offers little besides midrange shots created from heavy motion sets hes obviously not the answer long term for the Bulls.

Marco has surprised me at times this year with his effectiveness initiating high pick n rolls and driving to the hole, however he shooting just barely over 40% from the field and 36% from the 3 on almost 3 attempts per game. Hes just overextended in his role as an offense creator for the team when hes on the floor and really hes never been an efficient scorer ever, in my opinion he's best used in small spurts of 3-4 minutes where he stays in a corner and waits for the extra pass then he can be a spot up shooter or pressure defenses with a shot fake then drive, on top of it all hes a below average defender and hes also gone after this season so hes also not the long term answer at the 2 spot either.

Hinrich's a great backup pg who's a consummate professional, plays tight d, makes the right passes, hes not to shab shab as a 3pt shooter and can play the 2 spot if needed, but hes shooting 38% from the field and honestly teams stick their weakest defender on him and that player usually leaves him to help on dribble penetration, so usually he's wide open when he gets the ball beyond the arc and it seems like he misses to many of those shots (even though he is shooting 39% from 3), and hes a non factor when it comes to dribble penetration.

Nate Robinson, who like I said has played extremely well in his role, but Tibs has admitted he reluctantly uses him because of their need for scoring that's not a ringing endorsement. Hes an electrifying scorer and has been shooting from the arc extremely well, but hes a huge liability on defense and he requires a large usage rate to get his points and on nights he's not scoring the offense is stagnated big time. Plus his 3pt shooting isn't going to help out the Bulls in critical times because Tibs would never play Nate with Rose so his 3pt shooting wont help with Chicago's most used lineups and hes playing 23 minutes a game right now, but when Rose comes back hes going to take a huge decrease in minutes and will essentially be one of the last players to see action in Tibs rotation.

These reasons are why I think getting JJ would be a huge coup for the Bulls and really make them a super tough contender if Rose comes back to full strength. His skills are really what the Bulls are missing and I'm sure they could find him 30-32 minutes a game by minimizing some of Rip, Belinelli's and Robinson's minutes, which would effectively give them some really good bench options and allow overextended players to take a smaller but more efficient role.

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I like your idea and Chicago

I like your idea and Chicago openly loves JJ, they're the team that signed him to his current deal 3 yrs ago but Orlando matched the offer sheet. However you can't use a trade exception the way you're putting it...it can't be used as money to make up a salary difference like being under the cap, it can only be used to absorb a player who makes that amount (in this case $5 mil) or less. The Bulls would have to get Orlando to take a contract like Hamilton if they want Reddick

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Thanks Jsmoove

Right on for the info jsmoove I wasn't aware of that, but it totally makes sense. Rip would work in place of that trade exception just fine because his salary is equal to the trade exception and his contract is essentially an expiring deal because he has a team option for next year and I find it hard to believe any team is going to pick up a $5mil dollar option on a injury stricken 35 year old shooting guard.

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