[iCalledBankParticipant]

Cleveland gets swept (possibly wins one at home) and goes into offseason rethink mode. The Kevin Love experiment is over in and Cleveland. Three team deal between Boston, Chicago and Cleveland. Love to the Celtics, Butler to the Cavs, Chicago gets Marcus Smart, James Young, Amir Johnson and the 3rd pick. Amir Johnson is moved for cap purposes and allows Chicago to make more moves with their already crowded front court. Cavs have a new 3 headed beast, Celtics get Love finally but is that enough trade bait for Chicago to deal Butler? 

Thoughts.

 

[steviechillzParticipant]

If I am the Celtics I wouldn’t move all of that(Marcus Smart, #3 Pick, Amir Johnson, James Young) for just K-Love…maybe for Jimmy Butler.

If I am the Bulls and I am in legit rebuild mode, I would do it. Can’t be 100% sure if Derrick Rose will be healthy going forward. Smart is a young and capable piece. And I can draft Bender, maybe reach for Buddy Hield, or take a risk on Marquese Chriss.

If I am the Cavs I would do it in a heartbeat lol

[dudo670Participant]

Bulls wouldn’t do Jimmy Butler for Okafor and #1 I don’t think they would do that deal. Which I’ve heard that the Sixers would love to trade for a proven all-star, but those guys are too steep of an asking price. 

[dudo670Participant]

Bulls wouldn’t do Jimmy Butler for Okafor and #1 I don’t think they would do that deal. Which I’ve heard that the Sixers would love to trade for a proven all-star, but those guys are too steep of an asking price. 

[steviechillzParticipant]

If I am the Celtics I wouldn’t move all of that(Marcus Smart, #3 Pick, Amir Johnson, James Young) for just K-Love…maybe for Jimmy Butler.

If I am the Bulls and I am in legit rebuild mode, I would do it. Can’t be 100% sure if Derrick Rose will be healthy going forward. Smart is a young and capable piece. And I can draft Bender, maybe reach for Buddy Hield, or take a risk on Marquese Chriss.

If I am the Cavs I would do it in a heartbeat lol

[gforce03Participant]

 Don’t think Love fits the system and culture that is already established in the Celtics anymore. Kind of bulldog-ish + hustle basketball. Butler, as stated above, will fit in better with that system if the celtics were to offer smart+3rd pick as asset. They could have done this without helping the cavs getting better, right?

[gforce03Participant]

 Don’t think Love fits the system and culture that is already established in the Celtics anymore. Kind of bulldog-ish + hustle basketball. Butler, as stated above, will fit in better with that system if the celtics were to offer smart+3rd pick as asset. They could have done this without helping the cavs getting better, right?

[natevalParticipant]

 Celtics aren’t giving up 3 for Love nevermind Smart, Young and Johnson too. I would like to think the Celtics would rather have Butler then Love. Love’s stock is at an all time low.

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 You think the Celtics wouldn’t give up the 3rd pick for Love? What are you smoking on?

Love didn’t just fall off the map. He just doesn’t fit with LeBron, thus it makes him look useless with the Cavs when you already have two elite scorers.

The Celtics, on the otherhand, need offense. You see what happens to them during the playoffs the last two seasons. I mean, they had a 93.8 and 101.5 offensive rating the past two years in the playoffs, which is awful. This is where Love helps.

Plus, you couldn’t just trade Butler or Love for the 3rd pick and Marcus Smart, James Young and Amir Johnson. You already know that most likely you not getting a star player with the 3rd pick because this year’s draft, after Simmons and Ingram, isn’t too well.

For Butler, you’d have to trade the 3rd pick, Smart, Johnson, and one of 2017 or 2018 Brooklyn picks.

For Love, Crowder and a future Brooklyn pick would have to be involved.

No fleecing on both side here.

 

 

[natevalParticipant]

Love put up inflated stats on a bad Wolves team.He can’t win as the third option playing with the best player in the world I don’t think he can make Boston a champ. He will be 28 at the start of next season and is signed for 4 more season at about 23.5 million per. Though the salary cap is going up only one player made more then 23.5 million last season, Kobe. Whoever I’m paying 23.5 million per season for I want to be able to play some defense or be a top offensive player. I probably value defense more then you.

If Clevland decides to move Love it will be interesting to see just what they get for him. I would guess if the Cavs had a time machine they would go back keep Wiggins and have 23.5 million to sign someone else. 

 

 

 

 

[natevalParticipant]

Love put up inflated stats on a bad Wolves team.He can’t win as the third option playing with the best player in the world I don’t think he can make Boston a champ. He will be 28 at the start of next season and is signed for 4 more season at about 23.5 million per. Though the salary cap is going up only one player made more then 23.5 million last season, Kobe. Whoever I’m paying 23.5 million per season for I want to be able to play some defense or be a top offensive player. I probably value defense more then you.

If Clevland decides to move Love it will be interesting to see just what they get for him. I would guess if the Cavs had a time machine they would go back keep Wiggins and have 23.5 million to sign someone else. 

 

 

 

 

[wonzi_bellsParticipant]

 You think the Celtics wouldn’t give up the 3rd pick for Love? What are you smoking on?

Love didn’t just fall off the map. He just doesn’t fit with LeBron, thus it makes him look useless with the Cavs when you already have two elite scorers.

The Celtics, on the otherhand, need offense. You see what happens to them during the playoffs the last two seasons. I mean, they had a 93.8 and 101.5 offensive rating the past two years in the playoffs, which is awful. This is where Love helps.

Plus, you couldn’t just trade Butler or Love for the 3rd pick and Marcus Smart, James Young and Amir Johnson. You already know that most likely you not getting a star player with the 3rd pick because this year’s draft, after Simmons and Ingram, isn’t too well.

For Butler, you’d have to trade the 3rd pick, Smart, Johnson, and one of 2017 or 2018 Brooklyn picks.

For Love, Crowder and a future Brooklyn pick would have to be involved.

No fleecing on both side here.

 

 

[natevalParticipant]

 Celtics aren’t giving up 3 for Love nevermind Smart, Young and Johnson too. I would like to think the Celtics would rather have Butler then Love. Love’s stock is at an all time low.

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 Kevin Love trade for Wiggins already is a bust for the Cavs especially if they lose to Gstate. If im Boston Love and his HUGE!!! contract are not worth a top 3 pick, Butler is a possibility. Again I think Boston would probably look to acquire a legit star for the 3rd pick and if not they keep it. Remind you they still have Brooklyns unprotected pick next year as well so their not just going to give away that pick unless they know their getting someone special i.e. PG13,AD, etc. Boston has a great team that just needs one more player to put them over the edge in the East. Their in a great position for success and if im a Celts fan you couldnt be more happier for the next 5 years for this franchise. The Cavs would probably look very hard at CP3 if anything this offseason. 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 Assuming the Cavs lose this series, they are still 109-56 with Lebron-Kyrie-Love, including two Finals appearances, both against a team that won more games than any team ever has, featuring a player who has shot the ball better than any player ever has.

Yes, the East is week, but I’m definitely not calling that two-year stretch a bust. They just ran into a buzz saw. 

 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 Assuming the Cavs lose this series, they are still 109-56 with Lebron-Kyrie-Love, including two Finals appearances, both against a team that won more games than any team ever has, featuring a player who has shot the ball better than any player ever has.

Yes, the East is week, but I’m definitely not calling that two-year stretch a bust. They just ran into a buzz saw. 

 

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 Kevin Love trade for Wiggins already is a bust for the Cavs especially if they lose to Gstate. If im Boston Love and his HUGE!!! contract are not worth a top 3 pick, Butler is a possibility. Again I think Boston would probably look to acquire a legit star for the 3rd pick and if not they keep it. Remind you they still have Brooklyns unprotected pick next year as well so their not just going to give away that pick unless they know their getting someone special i.e. PG13,AD, etc. Boston has a great team that just needs one more player to put them over the edge in the East. Their in a great position for success and if im a Celts fan you couldnt be more happier for the next 5 years for this franchise. The Cavs would probably look very hard at CP3 if anything this offseason. 

[publius2481Participant]

 The Celtics are not giving up Smart and 3 for Love and the Bulls want a king’s ransom for Butler, so  I doubt 3 and Smart is enough for them (while it is fair value, it is clear Chicago does not want to trade Butler unless someone significantly overpays).

 

[publius2481Participant]

 The Celtics are not giving up Smart and 3 for Love and the Bulls want a king’s ransom for Butler, so  I doubt 3 and Smart is enough for them (while it is fair value, it is clear Chicago does not want to trade Butler unless someone significantly overpays).

 

[mamadouParticipant]

Especially ?

Losing against a 73 wins team, such a surprise, failure and shame…

What about the other 14 PO teams, the 14 lottery teams…

I have a feeling Love could be headed to the suns, not that i want it, but the suns have no PF, they want an all star caliber bigmen, they won’t draft it, they won’t atttact one in free agency either, trade is the only option.

On cavs part, they’re losing some pieces, they have some FA(mozgov, Delly, JR), a 3 for 1 could be intersting for them, something around Bledsoe(rich paul)-tucker/warren-Len.

 

 

 

 

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 yes especially lol they almost lost to a team that won less than the cavs. Why wouldnt it be a shame a failure, Lebron James has expectations to win every year and when you have all nba players on your team you expectations are not to lose in the finals no other team in the east was as good or in such a great position to succeed compared to the Cavs. OKC proved the Warriors are not invinicible. 

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 yes especially lol they almost lost to a team that won less than the cavs. Why wouldnt it be a shame a failure, Lebron James has expectations to win every year and when you have all nba players on your team you expectations are not to lose in the finals no other team in the east was as good or in such a great position to succeed compared to the Cavs. OKC proved the Warriors are not invinicible. 

[mamadouParticipant]

Especially ?

Losing against a 73 wins team, such a surprise, failure and shame…

What about the other 14 PO teams, the 14 lottery teams…

I have a feeling Love could be headed to the suns, not that i want it, but the suns have no PF, they want an all star caliber bigmen, they won’t draft it, they won’t atttact one in free agency either, trade is the only option.

On cavs part, they’re losing some pieces, they have some FA(mozgov, Delly, JR), a 3 for 1 could be intersting for them, something around Bledsoe(rich paul)-tucker/warren-Len.

 

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 Don’t see Cavs trading Love. it really has not by any means been a failure until this series, and that is not due him alone.

The Cavs will keep there core in place with the exception maybe changing up the bench some again.

This team has been too dominant to discard as a failed experiment after 2 losses in a 7 game series.

albeit not looking too promising , it has been done before and even if they can not come back to win the trophy, they will not by any mean lose in 4 or 5 maybe 6 if they don’t have Love.

[nill650Participant]

 Don’t see Cavs trading Love. it really has not by any means been a failure until this series, and that is not due him alone.

The Cavs will keep there core in place with the exception maybe changing up the bench some again.

This team has been too dominant to discard as a failed experiment after 2 losses in a 7 game series.

albeit not looking too promising , it has been done before and even if they can not come back to win the trophy, they will not by any mean lose in 4 or 5 maybe 6 if they don’t have Love.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 How many games would it take before people started talking about how LeBron and Butler can’t coexist?

It happens with every player that is any good handling the ball and making plays. Butler has developed that part of his game quite nicely. He’s still not a great shooter. So I’m guessing he wouldn’t want to be a corner "3 and D" guy. 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 How many games would it take before people started talking about how LeBron and Butler can’t coexist?

It happens with every player that is any good handling the ball and making plays. Butler has developed that part of his game quite nicely. He’s still not a great shooter. So I’m guessing he wouldn’t want to be a corner "3 and D" guy. 

 

[festar35Participant]

The Super team I keep coming up with is if Boston sign Kevin Durant and then trade for Cousins.

C. Cousins
PF. Johnson
SF. Durant
SG. Bradley
PG. Thomas

You have 3 All-Start and two of those are super start caliber players along with one hell of a coach in Brad Stevens, I doubt it happens to me if Durant leaves I think Boston would be his best choice as they have the ability to build a team around him as well as being in the East.

[festar35Participant]

The Super team I keep coming up with is if Boston sign Kevin Durant and then trade for Cousins.

C. Cousins
PF. Johnson
SF. Durant
SG. Bradley
PG. Thomas

You have 3 All-Start and two of those are super start caliber players along with one hell of a coach in Brad Stevens, I doubt it happens to me if Durant leaves I think Boston would be his best choice as they have the ability to build a team around him as well as being in the East.

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

How can you even argue that Boston team is even a better team than he currently is on? The only position they may beat the thunder on is SG but I could see that gap closing if Dion keeps playing like he did in the Playoffs(minus the last 2 games vs GSW)..

The only advantange I see the Celtics having is maybe their Coach but  even that is debatable as Stevens hasn’t even been to the second round yet Vs Donovans WCF on Debut while beating the spurs along the way and pushing  the warriors to 7 in a much harder conference… 

The East may offer less resistance to the Finals but it would damage his brand as there are more popular allstars(lebron, mello,PG and Jimmy B) at his position than in West(just Kawhi) and this may also reduce contract earnings if he didn’t make it to the allstar game..

If K.D realllllyyy had to/wanted to  leave  OKC though I see the T-wolves making more sense than Boston/any other team:

They have some preformed chemistry(due to not gutting team to get him),offer both short and longterm success potential all it takes is intergrating K.D which I don’t see being to hard with this team if they had a good training camp..

C:Towns(looks like a potential beast but next year will be the teller as teams will have info on him now)

Pf:Luol Deng(lets pretend they sign him for reasonable price)

Sf:K.D/Wiggins(depends on who has better handles and more range will play Sg)

Sg:Wiggins/KD

PG Rubio(a pass first PG)

Bench:

6th man Lavine,Their pick- I see Dunn due to different style he plays to rubio but wouldn’t be surprised if this was Jamal Murray due to shooting range and could play combo guard easier, Gorgi Dieng,KG(assuming he comes back he could also teach K.D how to get over that final hump) and Shabazz M…I haven’t mentioned Pek for one reason he may be an insurance casualty if he cant get healthy.

Head Coach Thibs who has this on his C.V:(past coach of year),won a ring with Boston as assistant and ECF as a head coach, who has had a MVP,A MIP,A defensive player of the year and multiple allstars/revived careers come out of his system..This is without even mentioning USA basketball and the possible knowledge gained on his ”Sabbitical” to help him counter his previous flaws/come up with new systems..

 The only coach that could maybe argue they have had more success in player development is Pop (Timmy Mvps/Roy,Manu 6th man and Kawhi defensive poyx2) and active head coaches with more than one ring on the same team are limited to 3 coaches (Pop,Spo and soon to be Kerr).. So imagine what Thibs could do with a talent like K.D…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

How can you even argue that Boston team is even a better team than he currently is on? The only position they may beat the thunder on is SG but I could see that gap closing if Dion keeps playing like he did in the Playoffs(minus the last 2 games vs GSW)..

The only advantange I see the Celtics having is maybe their Coach but  even that is debatable as Stevens hasn’t even been to the second round yet Vs Donovans WCF on Debut while beating the spurs along the way and pushing  the warriors to 7 in a much harder conference… 

The East may offer less resistance to the Finals but it would damage his brand as there are more popular allstars(lebron, mello,PG and Jimmy B) at his position than in West(just Kawhi) and this may also reduce contract earnings if he didn’t make it to the allstar game..

If K.D realllllyyy had to/wanted to  leave  OKC though I see the T-wolves making more sense than Boston/any other team:

They have some preformed chemistry(due to not gutting team to get him),offer both short and longterm success potential all it takes is intergrating K.D which I don’t see being to hard with this team if they had a good training camp..

C:Towns(looks like a potential beast but next year will be the teller as teams will have info on him now)

Pf:Luol Deng(lets pretend they sign him for reasonable price)

Sf:K.D/Wiggins(depends on who has better handles and more range will play Sg)

Sg:Wiggins/KD

PG Rubio(a pass first PG)

Bench:

6th man Lavine,Their pick- I see Dunn due to different style he plays to rubio but wouldn’t be surprised if this was Jamal Murray due to shooting range and could play combo guard easier, Gorgi Dieng,KG(assuming he comes back he could also teach K.D how to get over that final hump) and Shabazz M…I haven’t mentioned Pek for one reason he may be an insurance casualty if he cant get healthy.

Head Coach Thibs who has this on his C.V:(past coach of year),won a ring with Boston as assistant and ECF as a head coach, who has had a MVP,A MIP,A defensive player of the year and multiple allstars/revived careers come out of his system..This is without even mentioning USA basketball and the possible knowledge gained on his ”Sabbitical” to help him counter his previous flaws/come up with new systems..

 The only coach that could maybe argue they have had more success in player development is Pop (Timmy Mvps/Roy,Manu 6th man and Kawhi defensive poyx2) and active head coaches with more than one ring on the same team are limited to 3 coaches (Pop,Spo and soon to be Kerr).. So imagine what Thibs could do with a talent like K.D…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 If I’m Durant I’d rather go to Minnesota. Play with KAT and Wiggins. A PG in Rubio who will pass Durant the ball and a coach who is more proven than Stevens. Then the Wolves could sign Noah and draft Dunn.

C – Towns

PF – Noah

SF – Durant

SG – Wiggins

PG – Rubio

Bench: Dunn – Lavine – Shabazz – Bjelica – Dieng

That’s a team with a proven all-star plus two guys who likely make all-star games in the near future. Towns could be an MVP type guy from his age 22 season and beyond and all those guys are controllable for the next 8+ years. 

Oh wait…Durant isn’t leaving. So can we stop with all the Durant to Boston/LA/Miami or wherever nonsense?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 If I’m Durant I’d rather go to Minnesota. Play with KAT and Wiggins. A PG in Rubio who will pass Durant the ball and a coach who is more proven than Stevens. Then the Wolves could sign Noah and draft Dunn.

C – Towns

PF – Noah

SF – Durant

SG – Wiggins

PG – Rubio

Bench: Dunn – Lavine – Shabazz – Bjelica – Dieng

That’s a team with a proven all-star plus two guys who likely make all-star games in the near future. Towns could be an MVP type guy from his age 22 season and beyond and all those guys are controllable for the next 8+ years. 

Oh wait…Durant isn’t leaving. So can we stop with all the Durant to Boston/LA/Miami or wherever nonsense?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

This is a good idea in a sense just change Noah for Luol Deng(who can play as a stretch/floor spacing 4) as Noah offers no floor spacing and would force KAT to play Pf rather than C which is where is advantage is..

 Also the floor becomes more congested overall, unless Wiggins or Rubio becomes a better shooter from range due to less shooters on the floor outside of KAT and maybe K.D if Noah is brought in..I also think doesn’t make much sense in Minny

I hope K.D stays in OKC(It also seems most likely at this point) and Deng goes to OKC also.

But if they went anywhere  else the most logical choice that gives you immediate and long term possibility of success would be in Minny due to a deep young team and very smart coach that is very experienced and seems to get the most out of his players…

 

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

This is a good idea in a sense just change Noah for Luol Deng(who can play as a stretch/floor spacing 4) as Noah offers no floor spacing and would force KAT to play Pf rather than C which is where is advantage is..

 Also the floor becomes more congested overall, unless Wiggins or Rubio becomes a better shooter from range due to less shooters on the floor outside of KAT and maybe K.D if Noah is brought in..I also think doesn’t make much sense in Minny

I hope K.D stays in OKC(It also seems most likely at this point) and Deng goes to OKC also.

But if they went anywhere  else the most logical choice that gives you immediate and long term possibility of success would be in Minny due to a deep young team and very smart coach that is very experienced and seems to get the most out of his players…

 

 

 

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