[WizardofOzParticipant]

We all knew Jonathan Givony wasn’t as high on Kanter then everybody else is, but he’s hitting him hard.

# Some new game footage of Enes Kanter is circulating from his prep school days. I’m watching one game now. It’s fairly underwhelming stuff. about 3 hours ago

# I don’t know if he’s just tired here or what but he looks really lethargic playing vs very weak competition. Getting destroyed on defense. about 3 hours ago

# Watching some of the other Kanter games now. Pretty much the same story. Not putting any effort in. Playing zero defense. Not boxing out. 10 minutes ago

# I wasn’t as high on Kanter as other media people prior to watching this, but now I’m legitimately concerned. Transition will be significant. 7 minutes ago

# Putting together some edits of the games I’m watching to give you guys an idea of what I’m seeing here. Should be up in next day or two. 3 minutes ago

# Hasn’t bent his knees once. If he’s even in the frame having bothered getting back on defense. RT @yowhatupT: Do you see him sliding at all? 10 minutes ago

He does have one positive tweet though, talking about his good offense, even though I can’t copy and paste it for some reason.

 

• Kanter also shows some very impressive stuff offensively. Moving guys around in the paint. Great hands. Soft touch.Range out to 3-point line about a minute ago

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/twitter.php#ixzz1OWxqq6Sz
http://www.draftexpress.com

 

 

• Kanter also shows some very impressive stuff offensively. Moving guys around in the paint. Great hands. Soft touch.Range out to 3-point line about a minute ago

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/twitter.php#ixzz1OWxqq6Sz
http://www.draftexpress.com

 

 

• Kanter also shows some very impressive stuff offensively. Moving guys around in the paint. Great hands. Soft touch.Range out to 3-point line about a minute ago

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/twitter.php#ixzz1OWxqq6Sz
http://www.draftexpress.com

 

This might lower Kanter’s stock. But I’ve always thought he was overrated.

 

[lalailaParticipant]

while i think there is alot chance that this guy will end up as the best from the draft because he proves all his weaknesses wrong.. i think it’s bad for Kanter cause DX is probably even more respectable sita than this one

[AKOOParticipant]

Is overrated. He has not a Center either. Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan never won championships at Center. Just because a guy is close to 6"11 does not mean he is a legit Center. Al Horford was a beast in college, so much so that he was the one defending Oden in the championship game but this is the NBA. Kanter is more Okur than Horford. He will go high and will fit with certain teams but he is being overrated.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

But why would DX or Jonathan Givony have anything to do with it? I mean, I do not know if anything posted on any Mock Draft site makes a guys stock rise or fall. NBA teams do their own research and have their own opinions. When they are right, they love pointing out the reasons why, which he is obviously doing here, but he is talking about HS footage from last year, which is probably not the end all be all. Yes, it is slightly disconcerting that he maybe did not give it his all in some HS games, but I hardly think he was the first person to do so.

I have a feeling this is just information that trying to add some hits and intrigue to the draft/site. It would be the same thing if some site got Bismack Biyombo birth certificates. Have a hard time believing these "suddenly available" Enes Kanter HS tapes will effect his stock much or at all. Especially seeing that his top competition for many of these spots have only played role player roles in limited pro games. If he is right, good for him, but I am not buying it right now. When the biggest deal you are making about a prospect is lack of play against significant, visible competition, than getting videos of him playing half @ssed HS ball is a dream come true.

Honestly though, he has yet to really break down any of the reasons he feels Valanciunas or Biyombo are better potential players than Kanter other than the fact that Kanter did not play against significant comp last year. I am seeing a big fat 14 under the games played category of Valanciunas and Biyombo, which really show how much more prepared they are compared to Kanter playing against the same level of comp. I guess we can just all say, "We do not know", but I still think Kanter is much more seasoned than either player.

[thebomberParticipant]

Playing that bad as J.Givony says, how could he dominated the top HS prospect on the Hoops Summit?? why Coach Cal would say that for him is nº1??  

 

I think Givony have something against him 

[JNixonParticipant]

I chalk this up to Johnathan Givony being Johnathan Givony. Going off tape from 2 years ago to determine if Kanter hasn’t grown up at all. The learning curve is steep, but that’s true with every single rookie ever. Guy is a know-it-all who misses on a bunch of stuff.

[Da1potParticipant]

 He’s an idiot for not being impressed with Kanter and for using his high school game film as a benchmark for evaluating him…..

BTW AKOO Kanter  plays nothing like Mehmet Okur.

[BloodyCrumpetParticipant]

"This might lower Kanter’s stock"

Because all NBA teams base their drafting decisions on Jonathon Givony’s Twitter feed?

His stock isn’t going anywhere.

[NashyMingParticipant]

Draftexpress is going over the board on this one.

Their biggest point against Kanter was that he missed 2 years of high level competition after he left Turkey.

However, sometimes it’s easier to improve through individual training than to play low level team basketball anyway.  Kanter could have work on a lot of his weaknesses (to be seen), work on his condition (already proved that he’s in top shape), improve his atheletism (much better than people expected in the draft combine).

If just looking at footage 2 years ago, I don’t think Draftexpress could get an accurate read on Kanter.  Unfortunately, Kanter didn’t do any competitive workout nor played in a competitive settings, so it’s hard to show what he had done for the past 2 years.

What draftexpress mentioned may hurt Kanter’s draft stock, but I think Kanter is better than what draftexpress is trying to make him out to be.

[paradigmnParticipant]

 Just wanted to give props to this site NBADRAFT.net….wether you believe peoples opinions or not, this site has the best BASKETBALL CHAT fourm on the net period!!!  Thank you for NOT DELETING this post even though it was from DX….who cares that Givony got this footage b4 everyone else….good for him…doesnt take away any credibilty from this site 1 bit.  If you want to know up 2 date info and get good solid opinions on that information, you come here…pure and simple!!!

[jeff416Participant]

I don’t know why some of you are so high on Kanter, when most of you have only seen him play one time in a all star game. He has by far the most bust potential in this draft imo.

[NYFLAVA2K9Participant]

     DX’s concerns are legitimate, but there is a reason Kanter is so high on most GM’s draft boards to begin with. I agree that watching Kanter’s footage at Stoneridge Prep leaves you a little underwhelmed especially on the defensive end, but you cannot discount his work in the Euro Juniors or the Hoop Summit. He’s dominated match ups from the likes of Euro prospect Dejan Musli to the American Jared Sullinger.

     What Kanter lacks in defensive technique is somewhat compensated by his excellent conditioning, willingness to initiate contact, and a wide base to keep most pivots from establishing deep post position on him.  While Kanter won’t ever be confused for a defensive stopper, he’s no Mehmet Okur either. Yes the Similarities are there; ex: Both Turkish, similiar attributes in the 6’11 250 lb range, and both can face up… but thats where the similarities end. I can see Kanter’s size and physical conditioning realistically getting about 1-1.5 bpg, which is a leg up on Okur. On the offensive end un-like Okur, Kanter dispays a willingness to bang down low and looks to be developing go to post moves. On the negative side, while Kanter does posess a decent stroke, he doesn’t seem to get much elevation and with a fairly average wingspan of  7-1 that could be of some concern. Also, Kanter’s range doesn’t extend consistently beyond 15-20 feet despite reports of him having 3pt range. I honestly can’t see any coach being able to live with seeing Kanter jacking up more than 10-20 3’s over the course of a season. Okur on the other hand has proven 3pt range and he is one of  the better shooters in the league regardless of size.. a conversation Kanter will never be in. When it comes to handling the ball, Kanter is a better creator and has a quicker first step, but seems to be about equal to Okur when it comes to court vision. What really seperates Kanter and Okur is rebounding. Kanter is a rebounder in the Troy Murphy mold as 10-11 rpg in his prime don’t seem to be out of the question. Troy Murphy is actually a good comparison to me (not cause he’s white lol) as I feel Kanter will post similar scoring and rebounding averages, but Kanter isn’t no where near the shooter Murphy is.

     Another comparison i’ve been hearing alot is Al Horford, but Kanter is not the athlete nor the ballhandler or defender that Horford is. My case for Kanter is players with his combination of size, mobility, and ability to score on the block don’t come along very often. The only players in the NBA above 6-10, 250 lb with Kanter’s 18ppg-10rpg ability are Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Bynum, Kevin Love, Amare Stoudamire, Tim Duncan, Blake Griffin, Al Horford, Al Jefferson, Marc Gasol, Greg Monroe, and Demarcus Cousins..which is very good company to be in by the way. The only other prospects on the horizon with similar attributes and out look are Dejaun Coleman and Andre Drummond and they wont be eligible till 2013.

    I’m not hyping Kanter up to be some dominant force as he does have his short comings, but what he brings to the table in my mind makes him a surefire top 3 candidate in this years draft. When thinking of Kanter I like to think he’ll be a TALLER POOR MANS ZACH RANDOLPH with ceiling averages of about 18ppg, 10-11rpg, 2 apg, 0.7 spg and 1.3 bpg 52%FG 28%3FG 73%FT… not the stuff legends are made of but enough to consider him as a top 10 Center for the next couple years. The only concerns I have with Kanter is that his shelf life wont be that long and by the time he’s 30 he will hit a steep decline. For some reason or another, I have this feeling (just a feeling..nothing factual) that you will be watching Kanter in street clothes often through out his career.

[NYFLAVA2K9Participant]

Enes Kanter = Taller Poor Man’s Zach Randolph

[r377Participant]

Since his 1 great game he been ducking and avoiding virtually everything.  Im not too high on him at all….

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