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Dwight Howard OVERATED... Would I take Ron Artest over him???

As I've been saying througout the whole season, Dwight Howard is vastly overated and doesn't own a post up move!

The fact that Howard is being hyped by the NBA and others on this site as a superstar and top five player is a joke.

To, me he is an upgraded and athletic version of Emeka Okafor. If I were starting a team I would draft Howard in my top ten strictly based on potential and defense. I would just tell him to be Ben Wallace and lead the league in rebounding. Thus far, he hasn't shown anything, outside of the DPOY, which he didn't deserve.

Let me start with what I like about Howard. He clogs the lane and forces double teams (in case he get's an offensive rebound and DUNKS). Physically, he's bigger than everyone, which allows him to be imposing. Oh yeah, his free throw shooting is up. That's really big.

Now the bad, his teammates have more than proved they don't trust him at all on the offensive end. He has bad hands, meaning he can't catch the basketball. His foot work is ackward, as if he's always unbalanced all of the time, (he could learn from Hakim Warrick in Memphis on that one.) When Howard does get the ball, if it's more than five feet away from the basket, he won't score.

Did anybody hear my mentor, Hubie Brown, discuss his lack of offensive skills on ESPN radio last night during the game?

Anyway, as of today, Howard is a top 20 player. I would even debate taking Ron Artest over Howard. If nothing he will shut down you best wing. It would be tuff, but I would pick Howard by a slight margin.

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Dumbest post ever. Is that a

Dumbest post ever. Is that a joke? Ron Artest? Hubie would be ashamed of you D Hamp. Artest is one of the more inefficient offensive players in basketball... HUBIE would point out Dwights FG% over Rons, and the fact that Dwight was DEF POY.... Ron's not even the best defensive player on his team (shane plays better defense, despite his inferioir abilities)

The other factor is that you won't find another Dwight in 10 years... Ron, meh... he's talented and built, but he's out of it mentally. does anyone else think he jacks up wayyyy too many bad shots.

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D. Howard

So offensively, all he does is dunks? What about absorbing double team and finding the open man?

And Pat Ewing said, this guy is only 20% of his potential. Whether he fulfills it, it's debatable.

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DHamp the reason Howard does

DHamp the reason Howard does not get passes from his teammate if because most of them are not true playmakers and have trouble feeding the post. Also for all of what Howard lacks at 23, he is still putting up solid number across the board. He is his team's only post player for the most part. The rest of his game will come. Orlando would not be where they are if he was not on this team. The same stuff you say about Howard could have been said about Lebron 2 years ago. He has all that raw talent and not many perimeter skills. He was just bigger, faster, and more athletic than everyone. Lebron still does not have half of Kobe perimeter skills and have virtually no post game. He is still a MVP candidate and hopefully eventually he will add some of these skills to his game. I think Howard next season will have a better post game after this series is done.

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Its true hes overrated, but

Its true hes overrated, but he's still the best Center in the league.

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Overrated?

He averaged like 21 PPG and 14RPG. with ZERO post moves. He's only 23. Imagine when he develops a counter move to his power drop-step. He gets by on sheer power and athleticism and he's already a top-tier player on that alone. When his skill catches up to his body he will be putting up early-Shaq-like numbers.

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I thought you fell off the

I thought you fell off the face of the earth D Hamp.

As long as you keep touting yourself as the greatest mind in basketball next to Hubie Brown Anyways, You will be getting negative point from a majority of the people on this site with my self included.

As for the post itself. Howard is Arguably the best big man in this league under the age of 25. He came out of High School so his game is still developing. Can we give this guy a break?

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I see most of you didn't

I see most of you didn't read the whole post. By the way, Artest also won DPOY in case you forgot xbagerhustler. And Ron Artest is a better defender than Battier, the team didn't want Artest to expend his energy guarding Kobe, so he could focus on offense. As for goodielecks, I already pointed out he recieves a large amount of double teams, which is why I like him. Also, I said I would eventually pick Howard, thought the descision would be hard. Sheltwon, read the whole post, I said I would draft him based on potential. Kingsfreak, he's not a center. If you really watch Howard, he's more of a power forward. You guys have to read everything I wrote. lol!

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How can he be over rated

How can he be over rated because for what he does he is the best in the league there are not many Center that have his total package and still have the time to develope what he is lacking. He he had one go to move in the post he would be like almost unstopable. He also has bad post habits that need to be worked out of him. These things can be taught. He will just have to work on them a lot. He used to be a terrible passer and not he is just a bad one. Next year he will be decent. Same thing with free throws. People are expecting too much from him too soon but I am sure next year he will be that much better and he still have a long way to go imagine if you were 30 percent of your potential and you was still consider the best and in most valuable player status and led your team to the Finals.

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You just said it. He has no

You just said it. He has no post moves. He gets completely stagnant on offense. He's not very good passing out of the double-team yet either. He is excellent defensively and on the boards but he has a very limited offensive game. He's been in the league too long to have no post moves.

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You just said it. He has no

You just said it. He has no post moves. He gets completely stagnant on offense. He's not very good passing out of the double-team yet either. He is excellent defensively and on the boards but he has a very limited offensive game. He's been in the league too long to have no post moves.

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I did read everything you

I did read everything you said man and you wrote a lot. You compared him to Ben Wallace lol. Is that a joke. Also you would even dare to compare a great perimeter defender with average offensive skills who is passing his prime with someone like Dwight who is a great post defender with limited offensive skills that still puts up good shooting numbers and is just at the begining. That is a stupid thing to think about.

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Exactly knicksfreak, he's

Exactly knicksfreak, he's been in the league six years with no moves. And everyone keeps talking about he's only 23, but there's no guarantee he'll get better. He plays strictly off of athleticism and natural strength.

Like I said, he should focus on rebounding and blocks. He's an upgraded and athletic version of Emaka Okafur, I dare someone to disprove that.

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There are a lot of Centers

There are a lot of Centers that go their whole career without post moves. Some people it take time to develope them. he also needs a Tim Duncan Bank shot as well. He still has a nice face up game driving and spinning and dunking and has a few hook shots and can score about 20 at 55 percent or more and he has no true playmaker on his team. Imagine his numbers if he had Chris Paul on his team. he would still have no post move but be averaging about 30 on 65 percent. Shaq had Penny and Scott Skiles his first few years and Howards had no one really Nelson is more of a scorers and is not a great post feeder.

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Even Bynum has learned some

Even Bynum has learned some post moves while working with Kareem. It will come with time. Bynum is still learning the game as well.

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They dont feed him alot

They dont feed him alot because he is terrible with his back to the basket. And you're right Sheltwon that alot of centers dont have post moves throughout their careers. Problem is that who of them was successful? Great centers have to have a 12-15 footer and post moves. He has neither.

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so youre basicly saying

so youre basicly saying saying youd almost rather have a good wing defender and decent scorer than the best rebounder and shotblocker in the game who gets 20 points a game. if you havent noticed their whole team revolses around his rebounding shotblocking and overpowering the defense.

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DHAMP

If you had to could pick any player to start a team with, can you name the other 9 players you would take ahead of him? Also Hubie Brown is not your mentor, he is your idol.

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Hes great but some people

Hes great but some people hype him up to be one of the best ever. That drives me crazy

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Shaq came into the league

Shaq came into the league along with Zo and both of them maybe had one or two post move between them. They were both successful Post players.

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People will always overhype

People will always overhype players at certain points but the concensus is he is one of the best post players in the league right now and he has a chance to be one of the greatest of all times. His raw ability has him set to be one of the best just like Lebron raw ability has him set to be the best even though he doesnt have half of Kobe perimeter skills.

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You're An Idiot

This is the dumbest thing I read all day...

1st: Orlando wouldn't be in the Finals without Howard.
2nd: He does have post moves. He is just not as polished as other centers, but he is still very young. He has a great hook going to his right off one dribble.
3rd: He is one of the NBA's best rebounders and shot-blockers.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/ Look over his stat's, field goal percentage, rebounds, etc.

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If I could have one player

If I could have one player in the league it would be Howard second only to Lebron.

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dude,

Yea he's unrefined around the basket but the more he plays the better his touch will get. You can see he's improved every year, when you said he was'nt deserving of dpoy i stopped reading and gave you a thumbs down.

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wowwww

in the kindest way i can't put this, you're a moron.

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Wow

You cant be serious. Scoring 40 points "with no post moves" in a close out playoff game against Ben Wallace Big Z and Verajao (I dont think I saw score him outside the paint once).

As far as being overrated if he has to be double teamed every time he makes a move to the basket I believe the hype is deserved. Its not as if they are calling him the greatest big man of all time.

From what Ive seen these playoffs I dont know many big men I would take before him in the league.

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lol at least we agree on

lol at least we agree on some things to Lakano and Knickfreak. That is what this is all about. discussions.

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This is to D Hamp. What

This is to D Hamp. What skill level and what players would you say are better than Howard. We all know about the hype but before he won the slam dunk contest no one talked as much about him. The NBA is about hype. They hype you good when you are doing well and they hype you as being terrible when things are going bad. Examples: Wade KG, Paul Pierce and many others.

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Hubie Brown.

You guys are all crazy. And nobody has yet to prove me wrong. And OK, he scored 40 points one time. He's in the NBA. He's paid millions of dollars, he should have a good game every once in a while. And he didn't deserve the DPOY! I don't know who you guys are or where you're from but no one has answered my question, which makes me right.

Again.

I DARE someone to disprove that he's an upgraded and athletic version of Emaka Okafur. Howard should stick to defense and rebounding. He should leave the scoring load to everyone else.

You guys kill me. Every time I post you give me negative marks! lol. The stuff I said about Ramon Session on this topic just above this one was right on. But no, everyone wants to player hate because of my signature. I'm an easy target for every one to pile on. Ha haha. It doesn't matter what I say RIGHT,WRONG OR INDIFFERENT, you guys will still hate. lol! No big deal. I know a lot of basketball and I say what's really on people's mind. LOL!

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If Emeka Okafor was his size

If Emeka Okafor was his size he would probably be putting up similiar numbers. Im not clear on the point your trying to make. There are a ton of undersized big men you can make that argument for.

But the fact of the matter is Emeka Okafor isnt his size or as athletic and thats why he isnt as good.

By the way like you said he's in the NBA and hes paid to put up big numbers once in a while, but everyone doesnt do it.
Thats why there are people hyping him up, if Mo Williams dropped that 40 I bet he be getting some hype.

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HOWARD OVERRATED??

How is he overrated if you have no post moves and you average 20 points per game. Its a joke that clueless people keep writing that he has no moves. Yeah he has none compared to guys like Olajuwon, Duncan etc. but he still gets in the lane and drops in a shot without dunking. He would have tons more field goal makes if guys would stop doubling and fouling him. He gets screwed by the refs about 1 bad foul call a game is called on him. Not sure why they don't have him attempt diff. offensive moves in the paint when a game is already decided.

Odd how no one mentions how well he's shooting free throws in the playoffs. At least the guy plays great defense, blocks shots, rebounds and is improving on his free throws. My knocks on him are the goaltending he commits, too much dribbling in the paint, bringing the ball down low with defenders around him. Also he's got to stop looking at the refs they will always make bad calls usually on both sides. The Magic are best when he runs down the court gets in early post position, if he develops a quick turnaround or short jumper he'd be a nightmare to cover.

I think you have the basketball knowledge of Bobby Brown not Hubie Brown guy.

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IMO, Dwight Howard is

IMO, Dwight Howard is Overrated. I think right now, he is a decent C. But if also shows you how the Center postions in Eroding and drying up.

If you get 8-10 rebounds...you will play Center

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NYK 2010. You can't read

NYK 2010. You can't read that well. LOL. If you go back to the original post, I mentioned his free throw shooting has improved. Before you talk, you have to read.

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phil jackson said he would

phil jackson said he would rather build a team around howard than lebron. i dont agree but jackson knows his stuff. and whos teams are still playing right now? i think jackson's and ummm...oh yeah...howard.

He has the best basketball body, other than lebron, in the history of the league, he leads the league in rebounding and double double's and i believe he dropped forty on cleveland in game 6 to win. Hes got a defensive player of the year, possible NBA championship, and started for an olympic gold medal team. definitely not overrated...

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Damn -29 Points on Initial Post

D Hamp aka the self proclaimed "greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway." has -29 points in the initial thread. That has to be a record on this site.

Overall in this thread he is -54.

Dude needs to admit that he is dead wrong considering the overwhelming consensus against him. Move on, man.

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mb6297 obviously you have

mb6297 obviously you haven't read all of my posts either. And the point system is backwards. Last week in 10 mins I went from 35 points to -69. So, it really doesn't matter. I'm the most read user on the site. And I don't have a problem going against popular opinon. Howard is overated. He doesn't have one post move and he's just naturally bigger than everyone else.

DHamp....the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

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DHAMP

You never answered my question.

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DHamp, it's good to be a

DHamp, it's good to be a contrarian but sometimes it is best to admit that maybe your opinion was wrong. I mean a lot of people commented on this thread and basically everyone (besides Knicks) is against you.

You don't have to completely change your opinion, but its pointless to state new arguments when people totally disagree with your initial post... that was your core argument.

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Also, in order to have a

Also, in order to have a useful discussion you need to define what it means to be overrated? It's a rather arbitrary term actually.

Does a center who does not have any posts move (which I disagree with you) become overrated?

Here is my criteria:

Post season resume:
Howard averages 21 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2 APG!
His team is in the finals.

Regular season:
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(13.8)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.572)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Double-doubles(63.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Triple-doubles(63.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(2.92)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throws(504.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(27.0)
He was an All-Star (starter)

Other:
1× NBA Slam Dunk Champion
(2008)
2× All-NBA First Team
(2008, 2009)
1× All-NBA Third Team
(2007)
1× NBA All-Defensive First Team
(2009)
1× NBA All-Defensive Second Team
(2008)
3× NBA All-Star
(2007–2009)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year
(2009)
Gold 2008 Beijing
Bronze 2006 Japan
Gold 2007 Las Vegas

This are statistical facts, not arbitrary arguments.

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I don't think Dwight had 63

I don't think Dwight had 63 triple doubles.

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YupYup

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dwight_howard/career_stats.html

woops...meant career (for current NBA players)

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DHAMP

you go from 35 to -69 points when you said ridiculous things... Fine Ron Artest won DPOY, I'd take Battier over him to play defense against anybody except maybe LeBron... LeBron is just too strong and quick for Battier, you have to match athleticism with athletcism there.

but seriously, how great of a defender are you if you can't even expend the energy on defense because you won't be able to play offense if you do? Dwight plays great defense and is still a force on offense.... IMO it take way more energy to try and muscle down low all day than to chase other guys on the perimeter. Maybe Artest should get in better shape?

Dwight makes life easier for every person on the Magic team offensively and defensively... The Magic is one of the better defensive teams and they're made up of basically 5-6 defensive liabilities(Turk, Nelson, Alston, Lewis is borderline, Redick, and Lee who has had his defensive moments, i'll give him that) Pietrus, and Howard. Do you think that's an accident? No Orlando players can give the drive with a little more confidence and stay right in people's grills because of Howard!

And on offense he draws the double to free up the shooters...

Artest? I don't know how good of a team defender he is, I haven't watched enough of him, but he's never showed anything special. And offensively, I think he is sort of an offensive cancer. He jacks up way too many shots

and as for your claim that dwight is nothing but an upgraded emeka okafor.... how many double teams does Okafor draw? i'd say few, if any.... EVER. and the bobcats don't even have a ton of outside shooters to warrant playing Okafor straight up.... it's because he's nowhere near Dwight.

I mean.... what's your point? dwight is better than emeka... duh man

i mean, is kobe just an upgraded Gerald Green? Is Kevin Garnet just an upgraded Joe Smith? what does that even mean...

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Haha I know. I guessed you

Haha I know. I guessed you made a mistake, it's all good.

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no dhamp

the reason that people pick on you is because you honest to god say some of the most dumb stuff i've ever heard, i mean honestly.

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Why In This Forum?

Once again, this subject matter has nothing to do with the NBA Draft. It belongs in the NBA forum.

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Great post xbadgerhustler

Great post xbadgerhustler

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RTBT..... is a mom?

RTBT..... is a mom?

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