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DWADE was a allstar the year the heat sucked so why not Blake/Love

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DWADE was a allstar the year the heat sucked so why not Blake/Love

I was watching NBA tv and they were talking about how Love and Blake should make it and records shouldn't be a issue because Wade made it the Year the heat were one of the worst teams in the NBA.


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But wasn't DWade voted in as

But wasn't DWade voted in as a starter by the fans?

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He was voted

He was voted in.................

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Exactly...not the same. Wade

Exactly...not the same. Wade was a vote in, Blake/Love will most likely have to wait IMO

Guys like LeBron wasn't a all star even though they were highly popular in thier rookie, 2nd seasons.

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You mean to tell me Wade

You mean to tell me Wade wouldnt have made it even if he wasn't voted in?..come on now lets be realistic

I dont recall one person saying ( awww man he doesn't deserve to be a all star)

Wasn't the wizards bad when Micheal jordan made the allstar team and i dont think he was voted in i think vince was that year

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why cant Blake fans be happy with a Rookie game and slam dunk...

I think Love should get in the game but Blake should have enough exposure with his Rookie game appearance and slam dunk entry...why are Blake Griffin fans girling about him not making the game...you could have voted him in but u were too late or just plain lazy...I voted for Beasley and Love that's why I'm not complaining about it...

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Jordan was in his last season

Jordan was in his last season and got the nod by all the fans. He was voted to be a all star, VC gave up his spot for him.

I like the irrelevant fact...the point was Wade was voted in. Plus, he did battle injury issues that season so we don't know if he would have....we can go on that all day. We don't know

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Jordan wasn't voted in. only

Jordan wasn't voted in. only starters are voted in right?..and if VC gave up his starting spot then that means he wasn't voted it correct?...Anyway i was repeating what The former players on NBA tv said which was wade would have made it in anyway and team record should not keep Blake or Love out of the Allstar game and that seems to be the concensous with the players and coach's in the NBA

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Quincey

You are comparing those two players to MJ? Really? Wade was an established player, who had won an NBA championship and was voted in by the fans. If you are giving Michael Jordan as an example, obviously he was an established player by the time he got too his Wizard days. Their was little to no way Michael was going to be left off the All-Star team, mainly due to the fact that everyone knew who he was as a player (even if he was no spring chicken). Vince Carter was made to give MJ his All-Star spot that last year, and it seemed quite begrudgingly. The argument is that their may still be better players than both Blake Griffin and Kevin Love, even if they are not putting up eye opening stats. I think Griffin's play as of late is the reason he deserves a spot, plus the Clippers have finally started to look like a team, with him leading the way.

Love is a great player, putting up incredible statistics. At a time, I thought he was an All-Star lock. But, the more I looked into it, I realized that there were just flat out better PF's who deserved to make the team. If you are going to make a case and take a stand, at least say whose spots said players would take. I think you will more than likely say Tim Duncan, but at least than you will realize that as a PF this year in the West, it is a battle to make the team. Otherwise, players putting up these type of eye popping stats would not be debated as to whether they were making the team. My final question is, do you feel Kevin Love is a better player than Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, LaMarcus Aldridge and Blake Griffin? I personally believe that he is not at this point in his career, but I am curious as to who you would choose for an All-Star team.

Everyone has different credentials for All-Stars. Some people like statistics, the argument there would be "If you are put up the best numbers, you are having the best season." Some people just want to get the best players possible and look to what teams are winning games. Established players who are putting up far less than they were in their prime might get the benefit of the doubt. We know these players as dominant, and if they are winning, than it is easy to still think of them as being such. That is the debate really, and it is always more difficult for a player who has yet to establish himself as a winner to make the All-Star game early in their career. It is a mix of circumstance and sometimes, as it is in the West, an abundance of talent.

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YOu are comparing someone who

YOu are comparing someone who was in his prime, established himself as a top 3-4 player in the league, won a finals mvp, and was voted in by the fans to a rookie and a third year player whose team is 10-33.

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Why do people think you are

Why do people think you are comparing them to the actual player when you mention there name when it is clearly a comparision of the sistuation. You can't say that you can't pick a player from a bad team and say that is a rule but then overlook someone in the past making it from a bad team. And liek i said im repeating what other coach's and players in the NBA have said which is Kevin Love and Blake Griffin should be int he Allstar game. If you dont agree email them and tell them they are wrong.

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Its not the same situation.

Its not the same situation. Wade was an established superstar, Griffin and Love are not. Thats the difference.

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Tell the Former NBA and

Tell the Former NBA and current coach's who think other wise im just repeating what they said liek i said before

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Well....Lebron was doing work

Well....Lebron was doing work as a rookie, didn't get on the ASG. They are HC who's might look and say " he will have time for the ASG" and might go Love over Griffin.

As I said before....we don't know.

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But I find.....

That those people just try to find something to say when they are on television. They love coming up with arguments and stories. But do they list the players who should be voted to the team? Do they say, well, he should make it over Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan and LaMarcus Aldridge? I take Blake because Blake is the better player between the two, plain and simple. I do not say players with losing records should not make the team, I just say that record should count for something. It is easy to say so and so should make the team when you A) Do not have to list a team or B) List about 15 All-Stars rather than 12. When you make a list, you make cuts that might not be easy. But when you never have to take a stand, you can say anyone is deserving of being an All-Star.

In most years, Kevin Love would be deserving of being an All-Star. This year, in the Western Conference, I list 5 players who I currently see being better than him at his position. Their are extenuating circumstances, and I feel I have outlined my arguments quite clearly, but I feel they are not being read.

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Not to be rude but....we all

Not to be rude but....we all know Aldridge won't be a all star this season...can we stop with that? He's not making it over Love or Griffin.

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Tell the Former NBA and

Tell the Former NBA and current coach's who think other wise im just repeating what they said liek i said before

Neither of us know any NBA coaches, sorry i dont Have Phil and Pat Riley on speed dial.

However, Kurt Rambis didnt play this guy starter minutes until Anthony Tolliver wasnt his only other option, so that tells you something.

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You guys are forgetting Wade

You guys are forgetting Wade missed 31 games that year, thats why the team sucked, Love hasnt been injured, We saw what could do with a bad team the last couple years, and that team was .500 team till he went down, with a horrendus supporting cast then hhe got hurt.

Love hasnt been able to get his team wins either way.

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My point being dont tell me

My point being dont tell me since im the messenger

And yeah they did mention the other players who they believed Love and Blake should make it over

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who would you rather watch

Love or Aldridge? Cuz that's what the ASG is about anyways. I personally take Love because the Blazers have been on TV and I have gotten to see him play but the T-Wolves on the other hand...

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I'm pretty sure the Heat were

I'm pretty sure the Heat were the fifth in the east...I don't think that classifies as "sucked" when Love and Griffin are on bottom feeders in the west.

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They were 15-67 the worst

They were 15-67 the worst record in the NBA that year, does that not classify and sucking?

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You say these things

Say do not shoot the messenger, so and so forth, but it seems you are arguing for these players. Tell me than, career has nothing to do with a player being an All-Star? Wasn't your whole argument about Blake Griffin and the top 5 thing about his not having career sustainability? Seems like that is totally contradictory. Plus, the way you will truly know is once the coaches put in their All-Star votes for reserves, and I could easily see them voting for both Love and Griffin. I personally think that LaMarcus is the better player, and I think by no means will the vote be unanimous. But, answer my questions, please.

1) Do you think career and consistency should play no part in a player being an All-Star?

2) Who did they say Kevin Love and Blake Griffin should make the All-Star team over? (Personally interested, do not know why you did not name them in the first place)

3) Do you think Kevin Love is a better player than Tim Duncan, LaMarcus Aldridge and Blake Griffin? (You say this as much as anyone, analyzing them as complete players over statistics.)

I know you love playing devil's advocate too and getting the last word, so hook it up. See, that is why I was saying how can you compare their scenario to Jordan or Wade? The All-Star game is based on what you have done cumulatively, always has been and it more than likely should be. For Tim Duncan this year, it darn well should be. If he were not classified as a PF by most everyone, the guy would have been a lock as a C, even with his numbers, due to his teams record. You should have numbers to back it up, but also look at these players and say, who do I want on my team? I respect the argument of looking at the numbers, I think Kevin's numbers are unbelievable, and I would not be pissed off at all if he made the team. I just feel LaMarcus is a better player who is proving it. Personally, I like winners and I think these winners happen to be better basketball players, even if they do not have the flashy statistics that make them stick out.

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