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Duke homer question

So Lunardi has Michigan as the last 1 seed....

But according to my calculations, Duke and Michigan have the same amount of losses, Duke has a better RPI and a better SOS and beat Michigan head to head. Can someone explain this to me?


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Big Duke fan and I know

Big Duke fan and I know overall resume goes into this, but just off the eye test, I don't see how Louisville isn't a 1 seed.

Joe Lunardi has them as a 3 seed in his latest Bracketology, but in my opinion, they're the most the dangerous team in the country right now. Their only loss in February and March was at Memphis 72-66, and Memphis is obviously no slouch of a team. I wouldn't be surprised to see the reigning national champs make another Final Four run this season.

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They don't have a resume to

They don't have a resume to be a 1 seed, but they've been on fire lately so they are definitely a team I wouldn't wanna face in the tournament right now.

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Duke is a good basketball

Duke is a good basketball team, but they have four losses to unranked teams. No number one seed should ever have four losses to unranked teams.

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Michigan was the champion of

Michigan was the champion of a slightly better conference and their record against top teams is better. Although I personally don't think either team should be a one seed unless they win comfortably today.

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big 10

The Big 10 is a deeper conference.....Michigan beat Mich St twice....if they do it again they deserve better than Duke

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I just think the whole system

I just think the whole system sucks...

I agree that Louisville should be in the conversation, and I just don't see the whole Michigan thing.

They have played well in conference and beat Wisconsin and MSU twice. But their best non-conference win is Florida St in OT.

Tarheel, I get that argument, I just don't think it matters who these teams lose to, I am more worried about who they beat. All 4 of Duke's unranked losses were true road games. Michigan lost at home vs Charlotte. Michigan lost to Indiana who won't be in the tourney and Iowa who's unranked. So yeah, there losses are slightly better than Duke's but they have less quality non-conference wins, less quality non-conference losses, but because theey won the Big 10 that just nixes all the metrics?

I thought RPI, SOS, and BPI were supposed to measure who these teams played, and Duke is ahead of Michigan in all 3 of those.

Like I said, I just don't get it, I'm not arguing with anyone on it because I don't really understand it. I agree with the eye test Louisville looks good, but how do we measure that? Are we allowed to measure it? Clearly, Wichita St is getting in on eye test vs resume (which I am fine with) but why doesn't that apply to other teams?

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It doesn't matter if their

It doesn't matter if their four unranked losses were true road games. With a program the caliber of Duke, you can't lose on the road to Clemson, Notre Dame and Wake Forest and be a number one seed. Duke has been terrible on the road this year. I've been critical of Duke playing absolutely zero road games during their non-conference schedule. I posted about it earlier and people were saying it didn't matter if they never went on the road because NCAA tournament games are at neutral sites. You can't argue with me that if Duke had actually went on the road in the pre-season they could've handled Clemson and Notre Dame and Wake Forest better.

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Currently losing by 4 and 1

Currently losing by 4 and 1 minute on the clock

Edit: Losing by 6 now..

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Oh there wasn't a doubt in my

Oh there wasn't a doubt in my mind if they lost today they didn't deserve it.

No one wants the last number 1...I think Virginia deserves it but their non-conference resume was pretty suspect.

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No one wants the last number

No one wants the last number 1? That's the worst excuse I've read... ever.

I really wanted Duke to win (not a Duke fan, though).

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Lol how is that an

Lol how is that an excuse?

Kansas, Nova, and Duke all could have reasonably gotten it if they had 1. And now Michigan is about to lose too.

It's not an excuse, its a statement. There is no excuse for Duke, if they wanted it they should have won the tournament and now won't get it. No excuse.

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I hate to say it, but I think

I hate to say it, but I think a lot of commentators were assuming Michigan would win today. Should be interesting to see what Happens. Louisville may squeak in as a 1, now.

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My guess: Duke is 5-5 in true

My guess:

Duke is 5-5 in true road games, and 9-8 away from Cameron whereas Michigan is 7-4 in true road games and 12-6 away from home.

I think the lousy road mark dinged Kentucky (5-6 true road games and 8-8 away from Rupp) to an 8-seed. Louisville was probably a 4-seed due to only 14 of 34 games being against teams in the Top 100 of the RPI, which is the same as 5-seeded Saint Louis (both 9-5) with two more games played (St. Louis also was similarly accomplished away from home). Virginia was rewarded for winning the ACC regular season and tournament despite Villanova having a better resume.

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