Life long Pistons fan. Clearly the Drummond thing is not panning out the way we all hoped. In an old school reference, he really reminds me of Daryl Dawkins, with bettr rebounding coming at the expense of worse post defense. Neither was the rim protector they should have been at their size.
I am kind of at a losss as I sit in here my interet GM seat. I don't really think you can go very far with him as a center piece. There are coaches and teams that could get a lot out of his skillset. Not sure if he has a lot of trade value, because he seems to have hit his ceiling and it is lower than his contract slot.
What to you think? What options are there here. Does Drummong move or do you see them continuing to build around him and hope last season was just a one off?
The Pistons had Monroe walk away, they have to decide whether to throw money at KCP in a few weeks' time. Would they move Drummond on, I don;t know, they have salary committed to other guys so couldn't go into total rebuild as quick as other teams.
But every player has their price and if the right offer fot Drummond came in they would surely consider it. He is still only 23 and has 3 guaranteed years on his deal but he is on a hefty salary and any big trade offer would still be based on his upside. If we look at the DMC trade then I don't see the likes of Boston offering up major assets for the likes of Drummond.
But a lot of other teams may consider adding Drummond and it would all depend on how good the offer is.
I brought this up towards the end of the season and I seem to agree with the Pistons fans general point of view. Drummond plays well when he is motivated and focused on playing sound defence. He hasnt performed well for SVG this year and needs a new coach to inspire him. That leaves the Pistons with a decision to make. Do they try to move Drummind whos value is at an alltime low and will probally only provide a return similar to or a bit more than the 76ers got for Noel who plays a similar role, than see what they have with Marjonavic and Ellenson and maybe draft Zach Collins, Justin Patton or Jarrett Allen. Or do they replace SVG and stay par for the course in developing Drummond.
I will say this. Usually when star players under perform and teams continue to try and make them perform better that team ends up regretting it. But teams that are bold enough to cut thier loses and move on usually draw inspiration from dropping the dead weight. Like when Toronto moved Rudy Gay, or when Miami decided not to resign Wade.
The guy is only 23. He's had a bad year but he's still so young. I agree that Detroit needs to part ways as he may not fit their system, but you're crazy if you think he doesn't have star potential on another team.
But your crazy if you think any team is goign to trade a lot for that potential.
Not saying teams are going to swap a high profile player for him but contending teams would trade picks and players to make it work. His contract is ass but they'll eat it up if they think he can be that inside presence. If I'm Drummond, this offeason I'm living at the free throw line and also learning some post moves from some HOF bigs.
I highly doubt that happens. He just finished the 1st year of a 5 year $130 Mil contract after working on his game his whole life. Its not like the dream shake will help him much more financially. Teams should be a bit more careful who they hand that kind of money out to.
Pistons fans have been hating on Drummond and Reggie Jackson since Xmas time.
Drummond lacks a motor and his ft shooting is awful.
In this day virtually every NBA has a decent starting centre or developing a centre. There are tonnes of good PG's also so I see very few teams interested in Drummond or Reggie Jackson.
Apparently it was on the radio in Detroit yday that the Celtics are interested in Drummond
The Celtics could use him, but I think it'd probably be better to get a chance at getting Ayton next year
Like a lot of the people who post here, I consider myself a fairly sophisticated watcher of the game.
It really sucks the joy out of Pistons games for me watching Drummond play. I know he makes the occassional extremely athletic play, but ask yourself how mmay of those are just him lunging toward the play when I once again found himself position on offense.
The most overrated stat in the league, in my mind, is Drummond's rebound total. Basically, since his defense basically consists of establishing rebounding position, no matter what is going on around hm, he better board at that rate.
The free throw thing is a real, problem, though. Again, it kills my enjoyment to watch him throw up one clanker after another. I am sick of looking at the occassional 4/7 effort from the line as a sign of progress on that front.
If SVG had some idea of having Drummond reprise the Howard role, that really doesn't seem realistic - as much because the of the evolution of the league as Drummond's shortcomings.
I'd really like to see them move on.
The Celtics could have been in for DMC if they had wanted to so I don't see them going in for Drummond.
With his trade value, it's hard to judge it against say that of a much older more established player who may only give you 3 years whereby Drummond could give the right team a decade.
A lot of teams already have established big men so the market place for him isn't as big as it may seem.
Without teams moving existing personnel or involving a 3rd team, not a lot of deals jump out at me or teams who may want him don't have assets or cap space to take him.
The Bucks don't have an established C with Maker being a work in progress so could a deal built around Henson and picks work. With Jabari out, Maker and Drummond could play as a twin towers combo.
The other wildcard deal was a straight swap for Brook Lopez. Brook is a FA next summer but he might be the more finesse C that Detroit would like and if he moved on, then they have cap space rather than an unmotivated Drummond. Brooklyn may like picks for Lopez but with him being a possible FA next summer to get Drummond in return for a guaranteed 3 years might be a nice compromise for them. They camn absorb his salary and he gives them a focal building point. Drummond becomes the main man on the team and can get a load of shots and improve his offensive game.
Drummond needs to watch as much tape of DeAndre Jordan as he possibly can. That's the guy he needs to model his game after.
Might not be a guy you build your offense around - but you can certainly build your team around his defense and ability to control the paint. Drummond has that kind of athleticism - maybe not as athletic as DJ but he's in that tier.
He's got no post game and hasn't as long as he's played. His footwork is terrible and he can't shoot FTs. That isn't a death sentance. He needs to focus on setting picks, rolling hard and hanging out along the baseline for drop off dunks and put backs. That's what Jordan does and does very well. Drummond can do that. He can't be a guy you dump the ball into and expect to consistently get buckets though.
Drummond at his age can work on his game, look at bigs like Millsap, Horford, Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez the above mentioned Jordan, they have all learnt some moves and made the most of their skill set.
A lot of the guys mentioned above are finesse bigs but Jordan certainly isn't and whilst you cannot expect a player to become something he isn't. I think it is reasonable that he should be able to improve his game over time. Certainly a player with Drummond's physical gifts should be able to. As the great Red Auerbach said you cannot teach size and Drummond has that in abundance.
I do wonder how well he might react if he had a real pass first PG to create for him. Remember Jordan has had the benefit of CP3 for several years.