Where is the dropoff in this draft talent wise? I think if your in the first 6 then your drafting a stud. Davis, Beal, MKG, Drummond, Barnes, and Robinson all seem to be the consensus top 6 picks on multiple websites, but in many different orders. At least one of those guys is going to be available at 6, but the 7th pick appears to be the dropoff. Sullinger, Rivers, Lillard, and Lamb will all be there. I am one of the people who think Sullinger and Rivers will be very successful pros, but not quite in the league as Davis, Beal, Mkg, Drummond, Robinson, and Barnes. What do you guys think
If we are talking just talent alone, the dropoff is around 9 or 10 I think because we pretty much know who the consensus 6 or 7 are, then I would add Sully, PJII, and Rivers to that.
If you are talking as far as draft stock, the dropoff will come just around 6 or 7 because those players have more certainty...after that, it could get tricky. I dont expect anyone to be a Tristan Thompson (late lottery guy to break the top 5)
There's a top 2 IMO (Davis and Drummond) then another 3 or 4 (MKG, Beal, Robinson, Moultrie) and then it falls off a cliff.
Yes, I'm really high on Moultrie.
@Q: I agree that Davis and Drummond are in a class of their own, but is Barnes really "off the cliff"?
As i said in another thread, I have Barnes and Lamb on the same level, but I'm really wary of guards who can't create their own shot. I'm not as high on MKG as most for the same reason.
I think Anthony Davis is in his own tier, followed by MKG, Harrison Barnes, Andre Drummond, Thomas Robinson, and Bradley Beal in tier two. After that it drops off imo with the exception of Sullinger, Lamb, Marshall...
tier 1: davis
2: mkg , barnes, dru, t-rob
3: beal, lamb, ross, zeller, pj3
4: wroten, marshall, lillard, rivers, harkless, sulli
Tier 1: Davis, Drummond
Tier 2: Beal, MKG
Tier 3: Moultrie, T-Rob
Tier 4: PJIII, Lamb, Barnes, Ross
Tier 5: Zeller, Henson, Rivers
Drummond isn't going No.2. And Moultrie DEFINITELY isn't going in the top 7.
Yeah, the draft order is always the most efficient allocation of talent, right?
Q: i don't care but on the reals,
how can you say "I'm really wary of guards who can't create their own shot." then have beal at 3/4?
You don't think Beal can create his own shot?
He had to deal with 2 ball hog guards at Florida who frankly aren't on the same planet as him. But when they put the ball in his hands come March, he did everything. Florida wouldn't have been a 7 seed if they turned the keys over to Beal earlier.
Anthony Davis, he's the only one with the combination of potential, production, and skills. Everyone else only has one or two of those.
he can put the ball in the hoop but he's not that sg that can consistently create his own shot, specially on ISOs. i think ross, rivers and lamb are better iso scorers while beal is more of a complete sg with better passing, rebounding, defense...
I don't think Lamb can create his shot as well as most think. But in a draft that I find very overrated in terms of high end prospcts, a guy with his shooting and complete all around game stands out. It's the same thing with Barnes, but his main benefit it his size. He's still a rip hamilton type pro IMO. Maybe a Luol Deng.
yea i don't think lamb can score on isos as much as i thought he could at the beginning of the year, but he is capable, he can def shoot it off the dribble better than beal and displayed way more shooting skills as well, from fadeaways to turnaround Js. i know lamb and specially beal's specialty is catch and shoot, but from what they displayed; lamb is better as well... I now we can talk about beal's shot in H.S. but that's the past... and as far as shooting mechanics, lamb's is just as good, if not better
does lamb remind you of klay thompson? lol
now that i think about it its obvious, it should remind me of klay thompson lol.
klay's good comparison is kevin martin, as well as lamb.
None of the top twos are complete players:
Beal is a great shooter, rebounder, and defender, but doesn't put the ball on the floor and attack the rim very well. He doesn't have a great "attack mode" and doesn't have the body control to hang in the air and finish difficult shots. He also rarely even attempts to shoot off the dribble; most of his perimeter makes come off the catch. I think Beal is the lowest risk, lowest reward. I don't see him being an absolutely explosive scorer, but he'll be consistent.
Lamb is a good shooter but not great, excels in the mid-range, moves without the ball well, and like Beal, has capable handles but not much better than average. (And by "handles," I don't mean all that streetball nonsense where those jokers carry it all over the place, I mean the ability to face up the defender and beat him to the basket off the dribble.) He's not the rebounder or defender that Beal is.
Rivers is a great shooter, has an excellent "attack mode," breaks people down off the dribble with ease, can shoot off the dribble as well as off the catch, but lacks maturity, doesn't rebound or defend, and doesn't move without the ball as well as Lamb or Beal. Rivers is huge risk, huge reward. I could see him being one of those guys who will have nights where he drops 38, 40, 44, 46, etc.
So it just comes down to what your team's primary need is. If you have a team that scores fairly well but needs some toughness on the perimeter, Beal is your man. If your team already has good perimeter defenders and an explosive scorer, but you need a guy who can knock down mid-range shots with good efficiency, Lamb is your man. If you have a team that just desperately needs explosive scoring outbursts (Hello, Cavaliers), Rivers is your man.
"beal doesn't put the ball on the floor and attack the rim very well": that's the notion that's around and i find it to be bs.
I find challenging Lamb's D to be some bs. The dude is loooooooooooooooooong. He makes you shoot over that length and disrupts shots that way. I wish he'd rebounding a bit more, but he's also not near the basket very often.
tier 1- Anthony Davis by himself
tier 2- Thomas Robinson and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
tier 3-Barnes, Drummond, Beal, Rivers, Lamb
tier 4-Sullinger, Lillard, Moultire, PJ3, Henson
tier 5-everyone else