Drew Gooden and a 5-year, 32 million dollar deal with the Milwaukee Bucks
DAMN they overpaid him....Like, that's way too much for Gooden
I agree with Iggy, Gooden's solid but thats way too much. Isn't Gadzuric's contract a constant reminder about how overpaying an average big is a mistake
Gooden is one smart man... His gamble paid off.
After getting traded to the Clippers, he had the opportunity to be bought out in order to join a contender or remain with the Clippers. He decided to remain with the Clippers where he'd start and put up nice numbers. He averaged a double double. Now, he's getting paid. Smart move on his part.
thats over 6 Mill for a bench Player yearly!! i mean could understand if they were desperate but so early with all the other guys out there? and you don't find a better option than 32 and 5 years to gooden? hopefully for bucks Fans this turns out to be untrue....
It is a MLE signing, so it does not inhibit Milwaukee from re-signing Salmons or even use Luke Ridnour in a sign-and-trade.
Gooden for Milwaukee is a good move. Skiles coached him, and liked him, in Chicago. Part of his falling out in Chicago was a result of him not liking Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and Thabo Sefolosha. He didn't want to force feed the young pllayers when the vets were better. Gooden was around 15-10 for Skiles before he was mandated to cut his minutes. Nothing about what the Bucks have done recently would make me think that they would force Skiles to play Sanders or Gallon over someone who is better.
Let's wait until all of the details about his contract are released before we criticize.
Gooden is a very good pickup though. He's not just a bench player either. He's a capable starter and would fit nicely alongside Bogut.
Jennings - Luke or a different free agent
CDR - Redd / Hobson
Maggette - Mbah ah Moute / Delfino
Gooden or Sanders - Ilyasova
Bogut - Gooden or Sanders / Jordon
Gooden is a very underated player
I think this would've been a good deal if Gooden was 2 or 3 years younger. Averaging 15 and 9 in 30 minutes of play is pretty solid, but Gooden is 29 and most likely past his prime. The bucks will probably put him in the trading block halfway into the contract.
"Past his prime," based off what? The contract, if all years will be fully guaranteed which I doubt, will take him until he is 33 years old. Did you watch the playoffs and see the ages of the players playing into late May and June?
Amir Johnson would have been a better player to try to sign
i think it is a great pickup for milwaukee, he is so under rated as a player, imo. i can see him getting 13 and 10 with like 3 assists per game. he just has been unlucky in terms of the teams he has played for. i think 6 mil a year for a solid double double guy is a steal. the bucks may not win a championship with this team but they could be a annual top 4 team in the east for the next few years.
Now to be honest, I like Gooden a good bit more than Johnson. Especially in regards to how they both comparative fit. They just paid too much for Gooden, who's a solid player but not a guy I'd give 32 million dollars to for over 5 years. Larry Sanders and Mbah a Moute are probably good enough young PF's to have over Johnson anyway.
"Amir Johnson would have been a better player to try to sign"
Because unskilled players are now better than those with skills?
Let's wait until the official details of his contract are released though. Like it was said above, it's doubtful that it's fully guaranteed.
Johnson played well with Toronto as an energy player off of the bench, but he isn't anything close to Gooden. Johnson isn't better than Ilyasova or Mbah A Moute and isn't important enough to take minutes away from Sanders or Gallon.
The Bucks are going to be a tough team next season. All additions they made so far are tough, smart additions.
Thank you Bucks for overpaying a guy who will only help you get two or three more wins and won't help you advance in the playoffs. You completely overpaid for the benefit you are getting. You needed a superstar and you got an average starter. HA
I "fear the deer" like an H1 Hummer
To be honest, if the Bulls end up only getting someone like David Lee or Carlos Boozer, the Bucks will have had a significantly better offseason especially if they keep Salmons.
It is all of the first day of free agency, but what is Plan B for Chicago if LeBron stays in Cleveland and Bosh goes elsewhere? I would hope that they would go all-in to deal for Melo, but if they only come away with Lee, Boozer, or Johnson they are no better off than they were a year ago.
You guys wanna hear the scary part...Next year Redds 18 million dollar contract comes off the sheets for Milwaukee.Id rather try to sgn a guy like Tyrus Thomas.
Drew Gooden reminds me of a poor mans Carlos Boozer. He can get your rugged points int eh paint and instant rebounds, short PF, quick and agressive.Very fluent but yet to small to gaurd bigger post players like Gasol or Garnett.Obviously Milwaukee felt like they need a High Post presence.I think Salmons would be a mad mon not to re-sign and give this team very strong possibillities too come out of the East on top,(regardless on where Bosh,James,and Wade sign).
Amir Johnson needs to be playing the 3
Since when did Gooden become short at 6 10 or 6'11"with the ability to play spot minutes at the 5. This is not a bad deal but Buck may have slightly overpaid given the market but not the skill. He should earn his money playing next to Bogut and Maggette and with Jennings giving them nice passes. I think Jennings will average more than 10 assist now.
I love what the Bucks are doing and they may be the top 4 team in the East as of now.
Superstars on Championship teams are reduced to average Starters. Why not develop Bogut and Jennings as your superstars have Maggette, Gooden, and Salmons as your above average role players and then CDR,Mbah-A-Moute, Sanders, Delfino, Ridnour,Gadzuric as the best bench in the NBA by far.Then you have Gallon,Jordan and Hobson to throw in the mix.
If Jennings develops properly and Bogut stays healthy this could be the best team in the East in 2012.
OVER PAID, OVER RATED
Though I can't wait to watch the Bucks next season.
He should be a great fit to milwaukee since he can knock down that 10 to 15 foot jumper and has been a solid rebounder his entire career. The Bucks only true PF was larry sanders and he most likely only give a few energy minutes off the bench.
I like the signing and the yearly salary but 5 years is the only thing that worries me. He hasnt had any serious injuries but has had some issues with his knees and hopefully hell stay healthy since hell be 33 at the end of his contract.
Theyll still be around $20 Mil under the cap for next free agency without salmons but it sounds like they are close to signing him...hopefully its not another 5 year deal
Amir Johnson is younger, 23 and just keeps getting better where as Drew Gooden is 28. Amir is a hard worker just like Gooden. Amir was the first big man off the bench for toronto. Has 5 years of experience in the league and started off with vetran leadership in Detroit so he was able to learn the ropes from them. Amirs PER is 16.69 and Goodens is 16.95 so thats pretty much the same and i'd take Johnson all day because he still has potential left
They traded for amir johnson last off-season and they turned around and traded him away.
Im sure if they didnt want him then they wouldnt want him now. Hes an end of the bench player that gives a team 6 fouls to burn.
FEAR THE DEER!
That deer kicked that muddafucca's ass.
You guys are talking about Gooden like he is a borderline all-star. Trust me, you want to pair him next to a superstar big like dwight howard to cover him defensively or have him come off the bench like he did with Dallas. He is not a huge upgrade for the Bucks like Magette was and the only way you guys make the top 4 in the east (unless all the FAs sign in the west) is if Jennings makes a HUGE leap to superstar from his 37% shooting.
As for the Bulls, BothTeamsPlayHard, if we only get one FA like Lee or Boozer there is no way we are better than the 5 seed. We need multiple FAs or a superstar like Bosh, Wade, LeBron to have a shot.
3 man powerforward rotation of Amir, illyasova, and Sanders would be sick
"Amirs PER is 16.69 and Goodens is 16.95 so thats pretty much the same and i'd take Johnson all day because he still has potential left"
It is the ultimate failure of the PER statistic. It gives no value to context. Amir Johnson hangs around the hoop and if he can catch the pass (his hands are awful) usually has a relatively unguarded layup or dunk because his man is always willing to go help. Drew Gooden can be an actual part of an offense, which means he doesn't simply live off garbage. His field goal percentage won't be as good, but it is because a team can actually live with getting him the ball more than a foot from the hoop and doing something with it.
i love youtube highlight reels..if they mattered, James White would be the best player in the NBA because he has the best highlights. Sometimes you don't take the younger guy when your trying to win a championship. You need a SURE THING in the front court like Gooden. He's been moved around a lot but he's been solid everywhere he goes Amir is probably just one of those guys who plays well gets paid and then doesnt care. The Bucks have young talent, now they need to plug in holes with experienced vets like Gooden who give you max effort and put up solid numbers every night.
WOW, R U Kiding Me! Drew gooden who i thought would sign for the vet min on one of these super teams as a bench guy just got over 32 million dollars. He just ran into Milwaukee with a gun & Skymask,hey maybe gilberts next to come lol
"Drew Gooden can be an actual part of an offense, which means he doesn't simply live off garbage"
every team needs a guy who can get the garbage and the bucks dont have that.
Celtics - Big Baby / Perkins
Pistons - Maxiell
Heat - Haslem
Cleveland - Andy V
Denver - Bird Man
Well said CelticJayhawk.
Thatguy, Larry Sanders can be that garbage man. So can Mbah a Moute. Amir Johnson would give them 3 offensively challenged PF's. They don't need another garbage player who can't score that much. They need someone like Gooden, I agree he fits, but he's just overpaid for what he'll bring. That's my only problem with the deal actually.
potential, potential, potential
Based on what? He's been in the NBA for how long now? Getting ready to be 6 years? And he's never averaged more than 6 ppg and 4.8 rpg? What is potential based on? He has the potential to do what exactly?
he came in the league as raw as can be out of high school. he could be a carl landry
Carl Landry who? He's not as talented a scorer as Landry is. I'd be past blown away if he put up the stats Landry did this past season. Johnson can't even get past 6 ppg
Fact is, he's not going to produce at the same level as Gooden is, ever, so there is doubt that they should've siggned him over Gooden.
on a good team...Why not go hard after David Lee???They had the money to pay Gooden...why not take a stab at the better player...Lee should have been signed first...
Landry is max potential and they couldve saved money on johnson to easily
Amir Johnson at best is a 4th big man off the bench. He is 23 but Darko is 25. I rather take a chance on Darko then Johnson
Darko is a 7 foot center and Amir is a 6'9 powerforward so ???
I've read that his contract is like that
7M team option
8M Team option
obviously there is a missing million ,but if the last 2 years are team option with 15M,that is 3 years with 17M
don't think that is overpaid
I didn't know Amir Johnson had his own mix....
i think 5 years was kind of log for gooden but he has earned a long deal with his solid play. he is a skilled power forward and i dont think he has been able to showcase that on the teams he has been on. and he is a legit 6 10 so he isnt undersized. 6 mil a year isnt terrible for a productive bigman but this sets the bar for bigmen like brendan haywood on what they should expect. good signing, they wont win a championship with this team but they will be very competitive in the east with this roster. as of now i think they are better than the hawks which should put milwaukee as a 4 seed and i think they could push any team in the east except orlando and boston(who i think this is their last year of success).
If those last 2 years are team options like you say then this is a great deal. $5 Mil i think is reasonable but hell never be worth that 7 or 8 Mil especially at age 33.
Hopefully after those three guaranteed years larry sanders will develop into that starting four they think he can be alongside bogut. Right now your looking at a very solid and improving lineup that should increase its win total of 46 from last year and challenge for a top 4 seed.
1 Jennings Ridnour?
2 Salmons Delfino/Redd- will be traded- just needs to stay healthy
3 Maggette Mbah a Moute/CDR
4 Gooden Sanders/Ilyasova
5 Bogut K Thomas?
""Drew Gooden can be an actual part of an offense, which means he doesn't simply live off garbage"
every team needs a guy who can get the garbage and the bucks dont have that."
You obviously never watched Milwaukee play last year, they didn't lack energy guys at all. No team really lacks a big man that picks up the garbage, because those guys are easy to find. The Bucks has Mbah a Moute doing that, Ilyasova crashes the offensive glass really well, and they drafted Sanders and Gallon. Last year, they also the parade of bad bigs doing that. Brezec, Elson, Gadzuric, etc.
Guess what, Gooden can do some garbage collecting too, but he also has the skills to do so much more.
Amir Johnson had potential in Detroit when Dumars once considered him untouchable. Those days are over now. Now he's just another energy/hustle player off of the bench... A role guy.