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Why is Sullinger hitting some peoples 20's range?

What to do wiht PJ3, CJ Mccollum, Marquis Teague, and Tony Wroten?

How much do scouts like Arnett Moultrie?

I have Marshall going before Lilliard.

Thomas Robinson or MKG at 2?


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ALSO

My boy Robbie Hummel, whats going on with him?

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I have no clue why Sully's

I have no clue why Sully's stock is falling so rapidly, but if he falls to the teens, some team is really going to be licking their chops.

Robbie Hummell may not get drafted, I hope he does though, he's worked really hard, hopefully he goes late second, but someone will give him a strong hard look.

And what about Kostas Sloukas? Is top 10 too low?

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I haven't really caught wind

I haven't really caught wind of Sloukas yet, so I really dont know, is he coming this year?

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Word is he's coming out,

Word is he's coming out, really good talent, should be lotto, but even that's an understatment, hell he's even better than Derick Rose.

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Seriously, don't tell me he's

Seriously, don't tell me he's a Greek

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I have not seen Sully go in

I have not seen Sully go in the 20s in any mock before. I have him going about 10.

Neither. i would take Drummond at #2. To many people are riding him off now and to easily letting him slip on the mocks. Let's not forgot he skipped his final year at HS to go to Uconn. He looks like he will end up a 7 footer, combine this with crazy Athleticism and he is meant to be the fastest player on his Uconn team, Andre Drummond will be a beast. People have been doubting him and riding him off due to his dissapointing freshman season, however, people are forgetting that came into college a year early. Centre is the hardest spot from Hs to college not to mention coming into that postion a year early. He is only 18, not 19 until the mid August. I find it hard for a team to pass up on this talent and let him slip to 3 or 4.

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Drummond played his fourth

Drummond played his fourth year the year before. He was going to be playing a 5th year if he stayed in H.S. he's in the right class and the same age as his classmates

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Oh you betya he's Greek, he's

Oh you betya he's Greek, he's not even the best Greek player, but he'd definatly be one of the top NBA players. The competition in the states just doesn't compare to that of Euro Ball, he's simply going to dominate the league when he comes over.

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"Why is Sullinger hitting

"Why is Sullinger hitting some peoples 20's range?"

Well I see a lot of people having him going to the Pistons at 8, and really I would be fine with that; But I do see why a lot of people have him slipping. The guy plays below the rim, and has shown that he has trouble with larger defenders. Withey who would be an average at best NBA player, totally shut him down.

"Thomas Robinson or MKG at 2?"

This is pretty interesting because they have the same strengths, but play at different possitions. Both are high charector guys with a great "motor", but for some reason people rather have that in a PF then in a SF.

I think MKG is the better prospect because the only thing holding him back is his jumpshot. His defense alone will lock him into the league for years. People say he won't be a game changer, but totally disagree. At worst I see him molding into an Andre Iguadala type of player, while Robinson just seems like another Paul Milsap or poor mans Blake Griffen.

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I don't dislike Drummond or

I don't dislike Drummond or doubt him, but MKG looks so solid in every aspect and Robinson we thought could be the POY earlier in the season. Drummond could end up being really big deal, but I dont think Washington(unless it changes) should be dealing with a sort of sketchy prospect and should go more straight forward.

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I'm Greek, this &$#%#&@!

I'm Greek, this &$#%#&@! never happens for Greek people, a BASKETBALL player. :D

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^It should happen more for

^It should happen more for you guys, your competition level is much better than the NBA, and a lot of the guys on Olimpicos could probably start in the NBA. The Heat would be lucky to be within 15 of Olimpicos if they played.

But American scouts are stupid and don't know what they're doing, Greek players are just flat out better than American players.

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I'm gonna say that comment is

I'm gonna say that comment is a little bold and maybe wrong but thats okay, I wont negative you just cause I live in the US

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I don't like Sullingerif I'm

I don't like Sullingerif I'm Detroit him andMonroewod beno where near athletic enough to keep up defensively.

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DISCLAIMER: I was just being

DISCLAIMER: I was just being sarcastic and pretending to be Euroballer, for those of you that are confused, lol.

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Hahah I thought so but

Hahah I thought so but Euroballer should probably never be referenced ever

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size

I doubt he'll slip into the 20s but he's got size issues. He showed he has a problem being affective with taller guys guarding him. Pleeeeease dont take him Joe D! no f*ckeyes! I wanna see the pistons slide into the top 3 and draft Drummond to put with Monroe. i think thatd be a sick 4-5. But the pistons are playing ALOT better and that probably won't happen.

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I think that Sullinger would

I think that Sullinger would be a solid pick for Sacramento. He's a solid character guy with good fundamentals who can score and rebound next to Cousins. He is the kind of guy they need at the 4. Steady and solid who also has some range on his shot.

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Why is Sullinger hitting some

Why is Sullinger hitting some peoples 20's range?

he's hitting the 20s mainly due to his size and athleticism. the 5-19 games against kansas really left a bad taste in many eyes. plus, this draft is deep so as more potential guys like wroten and ross come out (and very hard to gauge), most people push down the guys that you know what you'll get out of (like sullinger).

What to do wiht PJ3, CJ Mccollum, Marquis Teague, and Tony Wroten?

pj3 is lottery bound. he put together pretty good games when he needed to (big12 and ncaa tourney). cj mcollum is probably 2nd round. this draft is deep at wings. teague and wroten are going late lotto to mid 1st. teams like nuggs and rockets will look with their backup pgs becoming free agents.

How much do scouts like Arnett Moultrie?

a lot. he's long and a pretty good athlete. showed nice handles and a perimter jumper. put it all together in the sec. he's hard for me to gauge but i think we'll know after the combine.

I have Marshall going before Lilliard.

yeah this one is a big ?. marshall's stock soared from unc's disfunction without him. lillard is a solid scorer, but i think utah will take him to help their perimeter scoring and then marshall goes soon after.

Thomas Robinson or MKG at 2?

i think depends on the team. if it's the wiz, i think its t-rob. any of the other teams could use a wing and would take a serious look at him or harrison barnes.

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darius johnson odom

what do you guys think of darius johnson odom of marquette? he is severly undersized for a shooting guard at 6'2 but he has some bulk and is a competitor who can rack up points. any chance of him sneaking into any of your mocks??

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Why is Sullinger hitting some

Why is Sullinger hitting some peoples 20's range?

He isn't much of an athlete and he struggles against great length. I would still take him much higher then 20 though. You know what you'll get with him and that will be a low post scorer and rebounder who will probably average 13-17 ppg and 7-11 rpg in his prime.

What to do wiht PJ3, CJ Mccollum, Marquis Teague, and Tony Wroten?

Not a fan of CJ. Perry if you're picking 14-20 you almost have to take a shot on him. If you can find a guy to motivate him like Blake did to DeAndre he'll be scary good. Teague improved as the year went on and will likely go in the mid teens-early twenties now, but I'm not all too high on him. Wroten has all the raw attributes you want to have superstar, but he needs to fine-tune his game a lot.

How much do scouts like Arnett Moultrie?

No clue.

I have Marshall going before Lilliard.

As do I.

Thomas Robinson or MKG at 2?

Depends on the team. Personally I'd take MKG because I think he'll be a 14-18 ppg 4-7 rpg 2-4 apg guy with excellent defense for years where I see Thomas Robinson being a solid starter at PF.

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Why is Sullinger hitting some

Why is Sullinger hitting some peoples 20's range?
I haven't seen him in anyone's 20 range. Yeah his stock has slipped a bit, but no way he falls out of the lottery.

What to do wiht PJ3, CJ Mccollum, Marquis Teague, and Tony Wroten?
Not sure what you mean "what to do with them". Perry Jones will be a bust. I like both Teague and Wroten's potential. Don't know much about Mccollum, but I like what I've read.

How much do scouts like Arnett Moultrie?
I don't know I'm not a scout. I like him as a prospect though. He's got good length and athleticism, has shown the ability to get to the rim, and has shown a good mid range jumper. Don't know much about his post game. I like Moultrie though.

I have Marshall going before Lilliard.
I'm not a fan of Marshall, his inability to shoot and extreme lack of athleticism scares me. I don't think he will be very successful at all in the NBA.

Thomas Robinson or MKG at 2?
I'd take MKG over Robinson. A few weeks ago I thought the opposite, but after watching Robinson struggle offensively against Kentucky's NBA size and athleticism I'm having doubts on how effective he will be at the next level.

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Why is Sullinger hitting some

Why is Sullinger hitting some peoples 20's range?

Pretty simple, what is Sullinger's upside? He is a good low post player, against average collegiate bigmen. He always struggled against NBA type guys in the block, hell his frosh year that White dude with the mask on Northwestern gave him him fits. He is undersized, he is unathletic, and he is NOT Kevin Love. That comparison is just foolish as Kevin Love is averaging some 15 RPG and is an elite 3 shooter, two things Sullinger won't touch at the next level.

What to do wiht PJ3, CJ Mccollum, Marquis Teague, and Tony Wroten?

PJ3 will go around 10. That's where you start picking guys to fill roles, so taking a flyer on a guy with superstar potential is worth it. CJ McCollum will probably be a late first rounder, we haven't seen enough of him against elite competition to judge him correctly. With Teague, I don't think many GMs will overreact and pick him in the top 20. He had a good tourney, but if he had starting NBA PG potential, I would think with that roster we would have flourished a bit earlier.

How much do scouts like Arnett Moultrie?

I really don't think close to as much as this website has him going. He isn't going top 10, I think he is going mid-late first round.

I have Marshall going before Lilliard.

Not outrageous, by any means. Lilliard did not face elite competition at all this year. However, his scoring and shooting numbers aren't far from what Steph Curry did in college either. And ppl forget Curry's Jr year his team wasn't even in the tourney either. With that being said, their is not a whole lot of evidence of what he would do on a bigger stage, so the work-out process will be especially key for him. Marshall is nice, but he's a role player with one skill. He isn't an athlete, he isn't going to defend well at this level, he isn't going to shoot. He can pass, definitely an NBA calibur passer, but that's really his only skill... I think they will both be late-lottery to 20th pick range.

Thomas Robinson or MKG at 2?

Tough call. MKG is a defender and a glue guy, which doesn't exactly have star written all over him. Tom Rob may seem like a lower ceiling guy, but he was statistically the best offensive big man in college b-ball this year, and could translate quite nicely if he can become a better shooter.

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I remember when James Harden

I remember when James Harden had a bad game in the NCAA and everyone thought he stock was going to drop. He got drafted 5th and also if he was starting and getting more minutes, he could be a top 5 shooting guard. He is playing solid for and OKC team with second best record in the NBA. I hope scouts look at his body of work. Also injuries could have limited him this past year. I think in the combine, he draft stock will shoot back up. People will remember why they liked him instead of focusing on flaws. He probably would be top 3 if he waited to next years draft.

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@Grandmama, I know Perry

@Grandmama, I know Perry Jones struggled this year, and while he's soft, in the right situation he can learn, and become a good pro. I don't think he's an automatic "bust", but he certainly could be. I'd blame at least some of his problem on the completely inept coach, Scott Drew. Baylor was as poorly coached of a team as I saw in the tournament.

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Perry going 10-14 I would be shocked

Too much talent to work with. Don't see 10 teams being that fooolish.. A bust cant play in the L. Perry will be an NBA player for a long time. Bust, be serious. Maybe not a superstar but bust? Hope he goes to the C's cause Doc and if KG returns will prove he is the best player in this draft.

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Im not saying Sullinger will

Im not saying Sullinger will be an elite shooter but he shot a higher percent in college then Love from 3.

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Why is Sullinger hitting some

Why is Sullinger hitting some peoples 20's range?

- Born and raised OSU fan, graduated from OSU, and have watched Sullinger play the extreme majority of his game. Any REALISTIC OSU fan will tell you the same: Sullinger could very well struggle in the NBA. Playing against taller/longer guys has KILLED Sullinger over the last two years, and in the NBA, everyone is going to be taller/longer. Some people say Kevin Love is his ceiling, but, I don't think there's anyway in hell he sniffs getting even close to that. If he gets with the wrong team like, lets say, the Wizards, then don't be surprised to see him get even lazier and have an NBA career plagued by being overweight. Boris Diaw (the fat version) is my fear.



What to do wiht PJ3, CJ Mccollum, Marquis Teague, and Tony Wroten?

- PJ3 obviously is going to go in the lottery because someone is going to rave over his overall athleticism and take a stab at him. Really wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in the 6th-8th range. Teague, in my opinion, will go in the 15-20 range. Weak point guard draft, plus he had a pretty strong tournament, someone is definitely taking a shot at him probably a little earlier than they really should. McCollum is an end of the first round guy, but most probably ends up early second round. Guys just riding the momentum he gained from the upset over Duke. His names hot, misewell sell why your hot. Could be an OK backup PG in the league I think, but not a starter in the league. Wroten is early 20's kind've guy. If he proves he can play some 2, and not just the 1, he's definitely getting taken in the first round. Anyone else not seeing a younger, more raw version of Shumpert here? He's obviously having a pretty good year for the Knicks. Surround Wroten with some talent and I definitely think he can be a pretty solid role player in the league.


How much do scouts like Arnett Moultrie?

- More than I do. I think he's a mid first round, roughly 15-22 range type of guy. I guess you can't teach a legit 6'10" and athletic, and scouts rave over that type of nonsense. Again, another one of those guys that HAS to get drafted into the right type of situation. My fear with him is an Andray Blatche type of guy. Someone who had all the tools in the world to be pretty solid, but was missing the right environment, and most importantly, the head to put it all together.


I have Marshall going before Lilliard.

- I don't think that's really a stretch. Scouts are high on Lilliard right now, but I really think it depends on what team is debating between the two. Is it a team that has tons of scoring options that needs a pass first PG to run the show? If so, Marshall's off the board first. Lilliard is a better scorer, and more athletic, but that doesn't always translate better in the NBA. Marshall is just a sophomore and can point to how bad UNC was without him to get his draft status up. Both will be lottery.


Thomas Robinson or MKG at 2?

- Very tough, but I think Thomas Robinson is the tough. Yes, MKG has a great motor. Yes, MKG can slash well and take it to the rack. Yes, MKG will probably end up being a leader eventually. But, Thomas Robinson is way more pro ready. He can already score down low, he's athletic enough to play the 4 in the NBA, and did anyone see the dudes Traps in the final four? How can you not draft someone with those kind of Traps? :) Both will be good in the NBA, I don't doubt that.



And lastly, if Kostas is smart, as is everyone from Greece, he'll wait another year and be the #1 pick in the 2013 draft over Shabazz Muhammed.

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Sloukas is a solid

Sloukas is a solid prospect,but to say he's better Derrick Rose is laughable...He's not as athletic or explosive as Rose....He remind me of Gilbert Arenas during his 1st couple years in Washington....

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Ah.. nice comparison.. but

Ah.. nice comparison.. but you must clarify: Gilbert Arenas BEFORE, or AFTER he started playing with guns? Big difference in players there IMO.

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Also Sully is dropping

Also Sully is dropping because he didn't play much better this year and he's a undersized average athlete as a PF. He was hurt most of the year soo he wasn't able to play as well as he could

Like I said 3 years ago PJ3 has a low motor and doesn't have he drive to be very good. His stats are almost a mirror image of what it was last year

MKG at 2. More potential to be a star. Only true weakness is his jumper whic can be improved

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i also want to see MKG at the

i also want to see MKG at the two, having said that i wish the bobcats end up with the second over-all pick and take him. he would be an ideal fit at them there with what they're trying to build. i want a longer look at the mullens and biyombo front court and see it develop. MKG joining them shores up their front court very well since he can complement their games with his. also, the kid would be perfect playing for Jordan since i think he has a strong charachter and could be pushed as strong as MJ pushes his guys. he also wouldnt have the burden of being the franchise saviour since we all know that he's not that type of guy. he'll be able to do his thing off the bench since Maggettee would still be there, but can start when correy needs to rest of his injuries. charlote at 2 is very much ideal for MKG.

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Jordan doesn't coach though

Jordan doesn't coach though so he doesn't push or run the practices. He just makes the big decisions like drafting and trading, things like that

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thats true, but im confident

thats true, but im confident that he still pushes these guys. you dont think he pushed kwame brown in washington? or is pushing/mentoring henderson now? i know gerald said in an interview that its one of the best and sureal experiences he's gotten in charlote was getting advice and tutulage from Jordan.

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Sloukas is 22 years old so

Sloukas is 22 years old so will be automatically be in the draft, I don't know what his buyout/chances of coming over are. If he was available then he'd be a mid to late first rounder I'd guess, if he was a stasher then take your pick in the early to mid second round.

Sullinger if he fell out of the lottery would be a surprise to me but his upside may be limited so what you see is what you get. But he could be the sort of player that a contender might trade up to try to grab.

At this moment I'd take MKG over Robinson at 2 as MKG is younger, may have more upside and his matchups for an SF look a bit better than Robinson for a PF. But Robinson is going to be a rock solid pro whose downside should be a good NBA starter so I'd see him going within the top 5 at worse.

Lillard and Marshall are a coin toss, I always go with upside so I'll say Marshall.

Moultrie has a good skillset and will have nice versatility so I'd see him as a solid lottery pick. He'd be a decent fit with NOH with the T-Wolves via the Clippers pick if they don't take a big with their own pick.

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