The Draft Combine
The draft combine starts next week. 60 players invited. Keith Appling wasn't invited.
On this, who are people the most interested in when it comes to testing results? for me:
LaVine: Kind of obvious but GMs look very differently at guys labelled 'elite athlete' and those labelled 'off-the-charts-athelete'.
Slo-Mo: If he can get some results that suggest he might be more than a defensive liability it could see him stay in mid lottery. If he's as slow, as most think then it makes him a great passer and initiator but very little else and I think he may drop.
Wiggins: Just for fun
Smart: will I suspect be a better athlete than expected
Exum: lets see how much all this atheltiscm and quick-step talk is for real.
Slo-Mo's fate doesn't lie with his silly vert or sprint times from the Combine.
Do you have a complete list? I can find an unofficial list, which indeed states Appling won't be there. Other players remarkably on the bubble:
- Alec Brown (#73, Green Bay, PF, no)
- Russ Smith (#64, Louisville, PG, no)
- Bryce Cotton (#90, Providence, PG, no)
- Casey Prater (#75, Florida, SG, no)
Players unofficially remarkably not invited (big board, college, position, mock draft):
- Kendall Williams (#58, New Mexico, PG, #56)
- Jevonte Reddic (#47, VCU, PF, #55)
- Scottie Wilbekin (#89, Florida, PG, no)
- Joe Jackson (#89, Memphis, PG, no)
Who decidees on the invites anyway? Executives? The league?
No. I couldn't find the complete list of invitees either, nor who were the actual inviters. The closest info I got was from B/R that stated that scouts and executives will have an up close and personal look at the players they'll be evaluating at the draft.
Joel Embiid - 7' 240 at hoop summit looks nice, but watching him I believe in 7'1 250 with like 7'6wingspan measurements..
also I wouldn't be suprised to see Randle somewhat like 6'9.5 close to 260..
he already has measured 6'9 and 6'10 at LeBron's camp..and maybe it's only his short arms make him visually look shorter..and he is a monster, he already was in HS but he looks even stronger after UK training than he was at hoop summit combine at 248lbs
I'm such a geek that I will devour all of the measurables for all of the prospects. I love this stuff.
This is the point where all of the BS falls away about size and atheltisicm. You can be a great player without being a great athlete and you can be a great athlete without being able to play, but measureables are an important aspect of evaluating a prospect.
What do you think Wiggins' vertical is? I think it is 40, but I don't think it will break David Thompson's record. I don't think he is up there with MJ and a younger guy like DJ Stephens.
So, he is a guy that might not be historically OFF THE CHARTS.
He would need about a 45 inch vertical to exceed expectations.
Wiggins is a guy though who if GM's thought he could play the 2, I think he would be the top pick in the draft.
Wasn't it supposedly measured at 44in somewhere?
Don't know, but we are about to find out. There are plenty of great athletes that are around 40in, but some of those ally oops with Wiggins from highschool look like those trick player guys on the exhibition circuit, where the tops of their heads are literally a few inches above the rim. That to me means that he is a cut above the typical great athlete.
Will have a 40 inch vert, similar to Harrison Barnes...
I could see Jabari getting a really good vertical. Maybe even a 40 like you said. BUT, is there such a thing as being a QUICK jumper as opposed to a SLOW jumper?
It seems like Wiggins gets off the ground FAST. I think he is QUICK. So a quick jumper with a 40 vertical might be more effective than a slower jumper with the same 40 inch vertical. ... a tip off about Wiggins is that he has a very good second jump.
It seems like when Jabari has a full head of steam, gathers himself, and takes off at the right angle, he can really get up high. But, he is no pogo stick.
Actually, it feels like that even though Wiggins is an elite athlete (however, maybe not an EARTH SHATTERING athlete), he still needs to gather a bit, or get up off two feet, as opposed to Micahel Jordan who could get a 44 inch vertical off one foot or two feet. In traffic, from a dead stop, or barreling down the lane.
If Julius Randle gets in better shape I think he could have a great vertical too. He is a good athlete and explosive, but jumping over people is not his game. Possibly not an earth shattering athlete at the power forward spot, although few are (Shawn Kemp, Tom Chambers, Blake Griffin).
Hopefully Aaron Gordon gets a great vertical. He should be fun to watch.
Even Josh Smith only recorded a 38" vert, so Parker isn't going to jump 40". Maybe 35-36.
But Nick Johnson is going to jump 45-47".
What makes wiggins an elite athlete isn't just about how high he jumps it everything he does athletically is EXPLOSIVE meaning quickness, speed, 1st jump, 2nd jump etc. these combined make him a generational athlete
Good to hear that New Mexico's versatile bigs Cameron Bairstow & Alex Kirk received invites..I think alot of people were overlooking them...
Im eager see what Jarnell Stokes measurements will be..He's listed as 6'8,but looks much smaller....He's rumored to have a 7 feet wingspan and a 38 vertical.....
I'm curious to see if Saric fully participates. He moves very slowly in his games, but I bet he's more athletic than given credit for.
I'm interested in seeing Jabari's lane agility drill time. He doesn't have elite level quickness for the 3 spot but doesn;t really need it with his elite skill level. He's fast in a straight line so I think his 3/4 court sprint will be good. I'd expect his vertical to be around 33-34.
Just about everyone here has mentioned that they couldn't wait to see how the top & hyped like Wiggins, Parker, and Randle will test out and all. I'm also on board with that since it'll affect who my team will take with (supposedly) the #2 pick. However, I'm even more interested in finding out how some of the second rounders will check out. Naturally since we're gonna have 5 second round picks, I also can't wait to see how players like CJ Fair, Deandre Daniels, Deandre Kane, Russ Smith, KJ McDaniels, Andre Dawkins, Johnny O'Bryant, Patric Young, Melvin Ejim, the OTHER Jabari, etc. will check out too.
Willing to bet Nick Johnson has the highest vert. As an Arizona native, I may be biased. Not because I'm a UofA fan (Go Duke), but because I've played against him multiple times in HS before he left for Findlay Prep. Him and Jahii Carson both have CRAZY bounce.
Just wanted to share an experience of mine about Nick Johnson. Fortunately it didn't happen to me tho. So we're playing at Premiere gym (he played club ball for them at the time). A teammate of mine tries to go for a lay up over NJ, and I BULLSHIT YOU NOT, he jumps straight up..with his hands at his sides..blocks it with his f****** chest, catches the ball as he's coming down and takes off down the court. His head is probably about an inch over the rim. My teammates and I on the court pretty much just stop playing and sat there in awe lol. Btw that was the summer before his soph year.
I'm keen to see Exum's measurables.
I don't think he'll produce any mind blowing athleticism by NBA terms but will rank in the upper half amongst guards.
My secret sources tell me he's been doing a lot of weightlifting, so expect him to have put on a lot of weight and perform better than expected in strength testing.
The bigger more intriguing question I have is which projected elite "athlete" prospect will disappoint in drills mainly vert & agility testing?