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I Agree with him,that people

I Agree with him,that people are Underrating Anthony Davis offensive game..Coach Cal doesnt need offensive from him..Cal wants him to be a defensive presence...Learning to Play on both sides of the ball is going to help him tremendously...

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more and more i just start to

more and more i just start to lock Anthony as the one..you can sau Andre has the tools of nba SUPERstar but while Anthony is very very close even potential wise, his production and one of the best impact in ncaa we have seen from freshmen in couple years and lock to be a star mentalitty/motor speak for himself..

it's similar to 2008draft also a lot of good players but still only two contenders for top spot and at this moment of the season Beasley stillwas better contender for #1 but questions about his game and to nice of an impact from Rose and pretty similar overall talent made him a lock after march..and in couple upcoming years with Rose's hard work we saw that the talent from him could be even bigger..

same can happen with Anthony when he starts to show his jumpshot dribbling in workouts people might forget they even thought this guy could be a star only defensively

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Does anyone have the full

Does anyone have the full article?

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Yeah I got the full article.

Yeah I got the full article.

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Oh you wanted it my bad...

Gottlieb: NBA draft big board 2.0
Anthony Davis takes the top spot as Perry Jones III takes a nose dive

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Anthony DavisDon McPeak/US PresswireThere are plenty of NBA teams that would like to snag Anthony Davis at No. 1.

With more games and data to draw from, it's time to update my NBA draft big board. If you'd like, you can compare this to my early-season effort from December, but I'll say now that changes abound. And those changes start at No. 1.

1. Anthony Davis, Kentucky Wildcats
We know that Davis is a dominant shot-blocker and athlete. What we don't know is much about his offensive game, but you can see it coming. He can dribble, pass and has a midrange pull-up. Think a young Tim Duncan.

2. Harrison Barnes, North Carolina Tar Heels
Barnes just keeps making shots and he can raise his game to the level of his opposition. While he doesn't go by people, he is skilled enough to make plays anyway. I see a young Sean Elliott.

3. Andre Drummond, Connecticut Huskies
Drummond is a naturally gifted shot-blocker and finisher, but has bad balance in post defense and has no face-up game. Drummond's just a pup and will be a project, but a rewarding one.

4. Bradley Beal, Florida Gators
The Gators don't really play to Beal's strengths, but I love his physical makeup and shooting stroke. Improving off the dribble is a key for him.

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5. Meyers Leonard, Illinois Fighting Illini
Leonard is just plain big. Big shoulders, long arms and a lot of skill. He's still raw enough that he should probably stay in school another year, but his family may need him to go pro. Leonard is a natural athlete, but needs more minutes to gain basketball IQ.

6. Cody Zeller, Indiana Hoosiers
Zeller has all the tools, just not the NBA body. Good hands, great feet/feel -- Zeller is smart, savvy and skilled. If he comes back for another year, he has a chance to be a top-5 pick.

7. Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut Huskies
I still maintain that Lamb could play the 1, 2 or 3 at the next level, but right now he is struggling at UConn. Lamb was so impressive last March and over the summer that he may still be a lottery pick, but he needs to get his game together ASAP. Some are beginning to think last spring was a fluke. I think he needs the ball more in transition.

8. Damian Lillard, Weber State Wildcats
Lillard is amazing coming off of a screen but is equally effective for Weber State as a passer, especially as his team has gotten its shooters healthy.

9. Tyler Zeller, North Carolina Tar Heels
Zeller has NBA speed, good feet and hands. That's the positive side. The negatives are that he's not very wide for an NBA big and his offensive arsenal is limited when he's not scoring in transition.

10. Jared Sullinger, Ohio State Buckeyes
Very productive and skilled both on the block and in the high post, but Sully is a below-the-rim guy. I am not sold that his game totally translates to the NBA. Is he Elton Brand or Michael Sweetney?

11. Thomas Robinson, Kansas Jayhawks
A phenomenal dunker and improved jump shooter, Robinson is very much a POY candidate. As an NBA 4 he needs to improve on his pick-and-pop game.

12. Quincy Miller, Baylor Bears
Coming into college he was just a long athlete who shot a lot of 3s, but he is quietly going inside a bit more. Miller looks the part of an NBA wing, and as he develops his all-around game, especially on defense, he should become a starting 3 at the next level.

13. Perry Jones III, Baylor Bears
PJ3 has disappeared in a couple of big games for Baylor. Some of that is on him, some is that he is playing out of position. Either way it's concerning. Jones plays the 4/5 positions since he is not a 3, but he's not tough/strong enough to be a 4 as of yet. Even as a work in progress, he is skilled, talented and a well-liked talent

14. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Kentucky Wildcats
His point totals in big games match his competitive nature, but his lack of consistency shows his lack of perimeter shooting.

15. John Henson, North Carolina Tar Heels
Henson is a decent face-up shooter who can post, but doesn't impact a game like he should. He's a very bright person who may lack the grit to become elite. Defensively, he possesses tremendous shot-blocking timing, and if he puts on weight he can guard three spots.

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Brendan Maloney/US PresswireAfter coming up small in big games, Perry Jones III is dropping on the big board.

16. Scott Machado, Iona Gaels
Machado is a tremendous passer/athlete in transition who can shoot some, too. He just got contacts, so maybe his shooting improves even more, but he is not a natural shooter by anyone's estimation.

17. Terrence Jones, Kentucky Wildcats
A top-10 talent who is polarizing in NBA draft rooms, Jones has the skill to be a 3-man, though he is essentially a face-up 4 in college. He broke out of his early-season slump in terms of aggression and has played well the past three weeks. Questions about attitude, handle with his right hand and his jumper will persist, but he is a physical specimen who can produce.

18. Tony Wroten, Washington Huskies
Wroten cannot shoot, but he doesn't seem to know that. He is, however, a beast inside, posting up and driving by smaller guards.

19. Terrence Ross, Washington Huskies
Ross is a phenomenal athlete and I think he might be the best one-on-one player on the West Coast.

20. Patric Young, Florida Gators
He owns a man's body but no real skill. His knee tendinitis is troublesome, but barring something chronic should be fine.

21. Arnett Moultrie, Mississippi State Bulldogs
A very productive center who can play the high post, Moultrie has far surpassed the pro potential of teammate Renardo Sidney.

22. Andrew Nicholson, St. Bonaventure Bonnies
Nicholson continues to improve his face-up game. Do not let his awkward gait fool you, he is a very good athlete.

23. Doug McDermott, Creighton Bluejays
Though he and his team are struggling now, his play was the main reason they were doing well to begin with. He is a basketball savant who thinks a step ahead of his competition.

24. Joshua Smith, UCLA Bruins
He's still too heavy, but Smith is a victim of poor guard play. He is a monster when he gets an angle. If only he would get in proper shape in the offseason.

25. Fab Melo, Syracuse Orange
He has a huge 7-foot-1 frame, but needs to continue to develop his offensive game. Melo is another big with great timing as a shot-blocker.

26. Alec Brown, Green Bay Phoenix
Realistically, the sophomore is probably two years away, but the 7-1 prospect is really skilled. If he gets tougher and stronger, Brown will be a lottery pick.

27. Jeff Withey, Kansas Jayhawks
Can you tell I'm targeting size at this tier of the draft? Another 7-footer with great timing as a shot-blocker and good hands to finish near the hoop. Withey is a year away from making any kind of impact at the NBA level, but his improvement is remarkable.

28. Zack Rosen, Pennsylvania Quakers
He may owe a thank you note to Jeremy Lin for raising the Ivy League's NBA profile, but Rosen can play. He's the best PG in Philly this season, not just the Ivies.

29. Jared Cunningham, Oregon State Beavers
He's an athlete who will stick in the league for a long time. He needs to improve his shooting, but does everything else well.

30. Dion Waiters, Syracuse Orange
Waiters is a dynamic athlete at the 1 or 2 who is not a great shooter, not a great passer, but will compete and is a tenacious driver/scorer. Waiters has the body type that could allow him to be a top defender when he makes the switch to man-to-man.

Dropping out: Austin Rivers, Tony Mitchell, John Shurna, Mason Plumlee, John Jenkins.

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This is a really interesting

This is a really interesting one. I love Quincy Miller at 12 because he's being slept on, like Aran has him going in the 2nd round....? Scott Machado at 16 is a good one. Damien Lillard at 8 is a bit extreme. Even after Linsanity seeing Zach Rosen on this big board surprised me tho he's a really good player.

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Another awful article from Doug Gottlieb

Can you say "shock value"? Here is his big board:

1. Anthony Davis

2. Harrison Barnes

3. Andre Drummond

4. Bradley Beal

(Prepare for the birth of lame)

5. Meyers Leonard

6. Cody Zeller

7. Jeremy Lamb

8. Damian Lillard

9. Tyler Zeller (who he moved up from 30. He definitely is higher than 30, but to 9?)

10. Jared Sullinger

11. Thomas Robinson

12. Quincy Miller

13. Perry Jones III: Who was #1 on his last big board. Claimed he had developed a "killer instinct". Than he saw him play someone other than Prairie View A&M. I am half kidding, Perry lovers, but the fact is that in most big games this year, Perry has been out to lunch. I guess he must have loved him against BYU, but the "killer" was fading even before he had written the last one. Still, having him at 13 is a tad ridiculous. Shows he has tons of faith in his analysis (sarcasm I hoped people were picking up on).

14. Mike Kidd-Gilchrist

15. John Henson

16. Scott Machado

17. Terrence Jones

18. Tony Wroten

19. Terrence Ross

20. Patric Young (he seriously thought of putting that googly eyed kid with the googly eyed sign here)

21. Arnett Moultrie

22. Andrew Nicholson

23. Doug McDermott

24. Josh Smith

25. Fab Melo

26. Alec Brown (He is a 7 footer out of Wisconsin Green-Bay. Skinny as a rail and has incredibly little likelihood of entering the draft this year)

27. Jeff Withey (But don't call Doug a band wagon jumper)

28. Zack Rosen (Doug feels so good about Jeremy Lin's success that he wants it to boil over to another Ivy Leaguer)

29. Jared Cunningham (Not a terrible choice, but over, wait for it.....)

30. Dion Waiters

I would take Waiters over the players 22-29. Easily. He dropped out Austin Rivers (why?), John Jenkins (again, why? Because he is no Zack Rosen?), Mason Plumlee (who Alec Brown makes look like the incredible Hulk), Tony Mitchell (the Alabama one, I believe) and John Shurna (who he last time ranked ahead of Tyler Zeller and Mason Plumlee). Needless to say, do not really care for or about Doug's rankings.

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MikeyV pretty much summed up

MikeyV pretty much summed up everything I could have possibly said. He stays on par for 4 picks, then just drifts into complete stupidity. Between having Leonard 5, Damian Lillard 9, dropping Jones from 1 to 13, including Zack Rosen, dropping out Austin Rivers after his best week as a collegiate player, actually having John Shurna in thse rankings at one point, I mean C'mon Doug. I know the draft isn't your forte, but this is aweful.

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Yeah this is really bad, did

Yeah this is really bad, did anybody notice he compare Barnes to Sam Elliot? LMAO. They actually look alike but if you're comparing the 2nd pick on your Big Board to Sean Elliot what's that say about the rest of your draft.

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gottliebs point guard biased is evident with lillard at 8(not the top pg, not top ten) and machado at 16(like him but would be suprised if he went 1st round). the rest of the rankings randomnessis unexplainable.

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The Sean Elliott comparison.....

Is actually not that bad at all. Sean Elliott could ball. He was the third pick in the 1989 Draft, after Pervis Ellison and Danny Ferry (yikes). Look at Sean's college stats at Zona:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/elliose01.html

Actually, that is one of the better comparisons I have seen for Barnes. Two time All-Star, averaged 14.2, 4.3 and 2.6 for his career. I think Barnes will be lucky to shoot 46.5% FG and 37.5% 3PT for his career as well. Really though, that is not a bad comparison at all to what Barnes could very well be in the NBA.

Sean's big issue was injuries and his kidney disease, but this guy was a solid scorer and David Robinson's second banana for years. I truly do not see Barnes putting a team on his shoulders and while he may be a better scorer than Sean, this comparison is pretty dead on. This is a deep draft, but if it had over 5 guys that averaged over 14.2 ppg for their career, I would be surprised.

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I like the Sean Elliot

I like the Sean Elliot comparison as well MikeyV.

I like Gottlieb's scouting reports of the players, but his board is always iffy. It's February though, so its not a huge deal to me

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Terrence Ross is phenomenally

Terrence Ross is phenomenally too low for my taste. I think he is a top 8 pick more than likely. aside from that, Austin Rivers has really picked up his game as of late and he falls out? Very poor list Doug.

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That &$#%#&@! cray. I put

That &$#%#&@! cray. I put more value in the mock drafts of some of the forum participants on this site...well, maybe it's not THAT bad.

Gottlieb probably wrote this on a stolen computer.

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No MikeyV you're right it's

No MikeyV you're right it's one of the better comparisons for a player I've heard all year and like I said Elliot and Barnes share a remarkably similar build and features. But they're different players overall. Elliot was a little more athletic and more a defensive stopper, he didn't really become a great shooter until later in his career. Barnes is a more a pure scorer who should be a great shooter the second he enters the league.

But my main point was Sean Elliot was always like the perfect 3rd option on Championship teams. If Barnes becomes that great but I wouldn't want the 2nd pick in the draft to aim to be only a 3rd option and if I knew he wasnt capable of getting 20 ppg every year I wouldn't put him at 2.

And does anybody else think Thomas Robinson can play SF in the league? He can certainly guard SF's.

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MKG?

Why is MKG at 14? Thats way too low.

For TRob playing SF i think he could do it but its not ideal. His handles and shot while vastly improved may still not be quite up to par for most sf's.

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When folks start Criticizing

When folks start Criticizing this list,Doug's gonna say he was HACKED...

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Joshua Smith will NOT be

Joshua Smith will NOT be drafted in the first round, there are rumors saying he's struggling to say on the team. His knees won't be able to handle that weight.

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Yeah,i rather take on chance

Yeah,i rather take on chance on Renardo Sidney over Josh Smith..At Least Sidney does play 1 end of the court...lol

And nobody is talking about Nate Wolters of South Dakota State...Wolters is a little bigger (6'4) then Rosen and he can play both guard spots...

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Barnes

Mr. 19134 actually had a pretty good analysis of Barnes/Elliott....but Barnes can be a defensive stopper too, I think he can get there.

Joshua Smith though....you cant be serious. He has Oliver Miller written all over him.

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Surve, Josh Smith should pray

Surve, Josh Smith should pray he have the career that Oliver Miller had..Miller had a weight problem..But he wasnt a bad player,not a star,but solid role player..Smith is very lazy and takes plays off.....

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" Ross is a phenomenal

" Ross is a phenomenal athlete and I think he might be the best one-on-one player on the West Coast."

how is a player that lacks ball handling skills and and off-the-dribble game the best one-on-one player in the west coast? this dude is a joke...

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no no no, dont get me wrong, Miller was extremely talented. There were high hopes for him. He was so skilled, soft hands, good touch, good footwork....but....

they said the guy once was so out of control that he ate 3 whole chickens in one sitting....lol. now I dont know if that is true but Miller ate himself out of the league and I have not seen any real progress with Smith's weight. people can say what they want, but I have boxed, and trained, and I work out now.....weight issues are directly related to discipline.

I dont know if anyone here remembers Dennis Scott when he came out of HS, but he was fat as hell, and his first couple years at GT, he came back for his jr. year and he lost over 30 lbs in the offseason....he increased his avg from 20ppg the previous year to 27.7ppg. That propelled him to be the 4th overall pick in the draft.

Somebody got to Scott and told him, if you want that guap, you better drop the weight. Apparently he listened.

I am sure someone has gotten to Josh Smith, Renardo Sidney, Reggie Johnson. Do they have the discipline to do it though? I havent seen much hope in Smith in regards to weight.

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I don't have any problem

I don't have any problem comparing Anthony Davis to Tim Duncan. I feel if Davis played in college as long as Tim, his numbers would be equally as freakish.

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Gottlieb annually has the

Gottlieb annually has the worst big board

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He does make some good comparisons from time to time

But he can't make a proper ranking to save his life...I would only listen to his player profiles and ignore any ranking he creates...The Barnes/Sean Elliot comparison was one of his best ever, but I think he probally stole it from some where...

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We know that Davis is a

We know that Davis is a dominant shot-blocker and athlete. What we don't know is much about his offensive game, but you can see it coming. He can dribble, pass and has a midrange pull-up. Think a young Tim Duncan.

"He can dribble" but can't take college centers off the dribble to create.

"pass" 4 assists in ten games against Top 50 opponents. A real Arvydas.

"and has a midrange pull-up" that he will sometimes take but rarely goes in.

"Think a young Tim Duncan" what like before Tim Duncan took up basketball young?

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do you not like Davis Both Teams???

because I don't see much not to like...He can defend the rim and rebound, yes I have questions about his offensive game, but he hasn't really been featured as a scorer at Kentucky, I think he has to be taken 1st or 2nd on defensive potential alone...If he becomes half the player KG was on offense he'll be worth the pick IMHO...I think he can be half of what KG was for someone...I just don't see what's not to like about Him...Hell I can clearly see the flaws in my favorite prospect Perry Jones but I still can't see him falling out of the top 10...

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I don't appreciate it when

I don't appreciate it when people lie about where a player is and the impact he can have in the NBA. There is nothing remotely similar about Anthony Davis and Tim Duncan. It is stupid and lazy analysis from a guy who actually can put a basketball thought together.

Anthony Davis is going to enter the NBA with a small forward frame, a power forward skill set, and having played the college center position. That is a concern. It is hard not to like the length and athleticism, but it is okay to refrain from putting him in the Hall of Fame simply because he is good at sitting under the rim in college. It doesn't apply to his NBA career. If it did, Hassan Whiteside would be a name of meaning. It is allowed to mention that post players have done well against him. It is also okay to mention that their schedule has been weak. None of this gets said. I don't know what half of Kevin Garnett was, because what made him is not just freakish length and athleticism but remarkable on court basketball intelligence and a top notch work ethic. If you half the work ethic and basketball intelligence, I don't think you'd necessarily want him.

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"Think a young Tim

"Think a young Tim Duncan."

When Davis caught the ball in the midpost and awkwardly airballed a turnaround, I definitely was thinking "young Tim Duncan."

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NBAdraft.net

Nbadraft.net has a mockdraft on the front page that's every bit as good as anything (evil)spn can conjure up.

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