Don't sleep on Kelly Olynyk!
Kelly Olynyk might be the most underrated player in the draft right now. He's a true 7 footer who failed to score double digits twice in 2012(both games were blowout wins.)
17.8 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 63%FG, 30% 3PT FG, 78% FT in 26 MPG
I know his athleticism is a huge question mark, but with Marc Gasol having the season he's had, I don't understand why in a couple seasons Olynyk can't be a polished big.
Lemme know how you guys feel about Olynyk as well!
i was trying to similarly convince myself this morning, but couldnt do it. Sullinger was a similarly skilled unathletic underdog, but he outweighs olynyk by 50 pounds and relishes physical combat.
Olynyk has so much to prove that i wouldnt take him in the top 20, certainly not with my celtics' 16th pick.
I can picture him being a decent 14 ppg scorer mostly off jumpshots, but giving up more with his defense and rebounding shortcomings.
He could be sweet, but i wouldnt put my job on the line if i was a gm.
I agree on some level, but I think he'd fit in great with Boston, let him learn from KG for a year or two. I definitely understand your concerns about athleticism and shot blocking though.
He's also a decent rebounder, 7.3 RPG in 26 minutes equates to 12 rebounds per 40 minutes.
Thanks for the feedback tho!
I am not completely convinced on Olynyk. The games that I have seen of him ranged from very good to "where the hell is he?". I thought that he was very inconsistent in the later stages of the season, sometimes disappearing completely and let the heavy lifting been done by Pangos. He has a lot of development to do before he can be a rotational big in the NBA.
Kelly Olynyk - ONLY 2 GAMES IN SINGLE DIGIT SCORING
17.8 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 63%FG, 30% 3PT FG, 78% FT in 26 MPG
Alex Len - 12 GAMES HELD TO SINGLE DIGIT SCORING
11.9 PPG, 7.8 RPG, 2.1 BPG, 53%FG, 13% 3PT FG, 69% FT in 26 MPG
I just go by what I see.
If you are going by what you see then you will know that they were featured in completely different ways and have differing skills that they bring to the table.
First off, Maryland's offense was absolutely terrible all year. For some reason either Turgeon or the guards that handled the ball refused to get the ball into Len in the post. I watched Pe'Shon Howard, Nick Faust and Seth Allen over dribble, and then chuck up off balance fader after off balance fader all year. Hell, if it frustrated me to watch those games, and I'm not even a Terp fan, then how frustrating do you think it was for Len? Olynyk on the other hand, had guards that looked for him in Kevin Pangos and David Stockton, as well as an offense that ran through him and Elias Harris.
Now, on to skill sets. If you want your center taking shots out on the perimeter, then Olynyk is your guy. Len is more of a prototypical big man. He has back to the basket moves, and moves well for a man his size.
That being said, I don't know if I trust either of them enough to draft them that high. Obviously people in the NBA like the tools that Len has over what Olynyk brings. This is why he is rated higher on every draft board I have seen. The NBA tends to value potential over production at the college level (I'm looking at you Adam Morrison). I think if you have watched both of their games, it is easy to see which one "projects" to have a smoother transition to the pro game.
I am a Thunder fan and there is no way in hell I would be ok with us drafting Olynyk at 12. I would take Adams or Zeller, whichever one philly doesn't take at 11. I would prefer Adams though.
I like him a lot. He is the most advanced low post offensively in this draft and can face up. Gonzaga rode him all year and he carried the way. He went 8-22 I believe from the field in the second rd loss to Wichita st, but scored about 24, just had some trouble finishing chip shots around the paint that he had been making all year long. Plus that loss was more about Wichita st guards getting hot and draining 7 straight threes in the last 6 minutes to come from behind and win and not really on Kelly so much. He also has a wide lower body with real thick legs which might hurt his athleticism, but helps with sealing position on the Court and holding his ground. I still see him as a 10-14 late lotto pick.
What games were those, blowouts? He may have been on the bench resting. Seriously though Olynyk had one of the most consistent and effeicient college years in recent memory. He may have Nick Collison athletisism but he makes up for it by being an extremely fluid player. An NBA team will fall in love with him in the Top 20 and he will find a way to contribute.
Nick Collison as an athletic comparison seems like a stretch to me
Nick has a great wingpsan, weighed 255 coming in, and had a 33" vert and ran a 3.28 3/4 court sprint...
I'm sleeping on him, long coma hibernating sleeping...good zzzz's...
If I was OKC, I'd take Alex Len over Kelly Olynyk, but Len is bound to be gone by the time it's OKC's turn to select.
You cannot compare him and Len potential based on stats. Their games are completely different. Len does exactly what you want your big to do, defends, rebounds, and shows offensive skills IN THE POST, while showing a good form from top of the key. His game is somewhat of Marc Gasol's, and many experts believes his games is more suited for the league than it was for college. Olynyk on the other hand, is a good scorer, but does not bang. Hid game is more suited for college, where a jump shooting big can succeed, but he doesn't show the skills to be very good in the league. He cannot rebound or defend against the men in the league. Best case scenario for him is Hawes, who came in like Olynyk but he has become very good at what his strengths were (shooting, passing) and is no longer a weakness defensively. This is Olynyk;s ceiling, but his floor IMO is Bargnani, a spot up shooting big who cannot defend, rebound, or do much else in the league.
i could be wrong but i think i recall reading that olynyk's jump shooting and especially 3 point shooting were unimpressive. Bargnani was a lights out long distance shooter before he got to the nba.
Your right, as a shooter Olynyk isn't on his level, but what I meant to say is that's his floor in terms of "he better improve his shooting (his only strength) to at least remain in the league. He's more suited for Europe style ball.
He didn't test well athletically, but on the court he runs the court, finishes strong and dunks on people. Sometimes, just being huge can makeup for non ideal measurements, not to mention the fact he is really skilled. He really has a big lower base that I think will suit him well as a below the rim rebounder. Boxing out and being strong in the lower body still trump a high vert and bad fundamentals.
People always seem to equate low energy to low athleticism, but Kelly is very energetic with a high motor. He is a pretty complete player with good size for a 4 and a nice skillset for the NBA game....just not much of a high flier or speed demon, but his lane agility and how quickly he changes directions was actually pretty good. Faster than D.J. Stephens, James Ennis, Steven Adams, Dedmon, Adonis Thomas, Norville Pelle, and many more of his peers that are regarded as better athletes. Long story short, he's not a great athlete, but he can move side to side and shoot the ball as a 7 footer.
He might slip like Tyler Zeller, who was regarded as late lotto all year before falling to 17, but like Zeller, I think he'll may be on an All-Rookie team.
I just don't think Kelly can do what Gasol does in Memphis. Gasol is HUGE at 7"1 and moves very fluidly with excellent footwork.
I don't believe Kelly's post game will be effective in the NBA against stronger guys.
Well I could be wrong, I'm just going with my gut. I just really enjoy these discussions!
I also thought Michael Beasley was gonna be a 20 and 10 guy in the league. LOL
You must be one of these underdog lovers who fell in love with the Zags when Richie Frahm was filling it up. Name one Zag that's ever had an NBA impact since their recent 10-12 year run of success. I'll wait.
Lol, this topic has nothing to do with the Zags, it has to do with the prospect.
His name is Kelly Olynyk.
Austin Daye, Adam Morrison, Ronny Turiaf, and lets not forget John Stockton - he was decent.
Kelly Olynyk is great prospect, would be drafted not lower than #11 pick.
i compare him to a bigger better version of Ersan Ilyasova!
it totally depends on the situation for Olynyk, if I'm honest. can he score the ball in the NBA? Yes- not only does he have the skills, he has the basketball brain as well. Could he be a bit of a defensive liability? Yes. But there's quite a few NBA teams nowadays with athletic, defensively minded centres that can rebound like Larry Sanders (Milwaukee at #15), KG (Boston at #16), Al Horford (Hawks at #17 & #18) and Joakim Noah (Bulls at #20).
One of those teams will take a punt on Kelly- I don't think he'll slip past #20- I have him going to Atlanta. But I think he'll slip out of the lottery purely because none of the teams from #9-#14 (Minnesota, Portland, Philly, OKC, Dallas, Utah) have the centre that will cover Kelly's deficiencies, and that would cause massive matchup problems.
Somebody get the cargo net ready down low, because this guy is gonna faaaaaalllll.
He'd be a pretty good fit in Boston I think.
I'll sleep on him, alright. I don't think he'll amount to much in the NBA. We'll see if he can prove me wrong.
If his name was Kel Thomas and he was black he'd be top 10 pick.