Do people on this site actually know all the NBA players that they argue about and against????
Rondo had help say say. He can not make an open shot and if not for his talented players he would not get open lanes to get his points. Don't talk to me like you know me what don't you get. Who doesnt look good with 3 hall of famers on their team. Early on he was a afterthought until that trade. The team is his teams quality players helped him get attention the same thing will happen to Sessions next year if he goes to the right team. What I am trying to say is that just because you don't know something does not make what I am saying wrong. If we were to test a player off of skills Sessions would be top 5 but until he gets on a better team you may never see it. I will give you an example KG on Minnnesota has them talking about him as overrated not a winner and after he got traded to Boston that all changed. My question to you was KG not a winner or was it because Minnesota sucked and never gave him help. Do you not get this.
Rondo isn't a top 5 for his shooting! Do you know anything? He's top 5 because of his defense, his ability to run the fast break, his ability to get into the lane, his passing! AND he wasn't an afterthought, he was only 22, no one would call a 2 year player with the tools that he had an afterthought, except for an assanine person like you. KG still MADE THE PLAYOFFS almost every year with almost no talent around him. KG was STILL ON HIS WAY TO BEING A HALL OF FAMER. I guess you couldn't see that. But you can't see a lot of things. I'm done with this argument, you're blinder than a bat.
saysay anything just say anything man because you will see the error of your post and will you be man enough to tell me you are wrong.
Knicksfreak I will say this we both has different merrit when saying someone is top 5. I will not change yours and you will not change mine. Let's move on from that. I will not change my way because my way has worked and keeps me ahead of most people. In life if you can't see things before they happen to me you get screwed and sometimes so things you see you can't stop but gives you time to brace.
Yes you see Sessions being top 5 before it has happened.
@ knicksfreak just because you disagree with me don't try to mudsling me. If you can't understand what I am saying and what I say is beyond your comprehension than that is not my fault. Let's agree to disagree because my thinking has worked well for me and has help me put people on players and teams before they even come on the scene. I have people that talk to me just to get NBA info so they can sound like they know stuff to other people and seem more on top of their game. I already know I know what I am talking about. I realize that everyone thinks different and I will not try to change people's views but I do hope these same people that disagree don;t come at me like I am stupid because they dont know. If you disagree with me I can deal with that but dont act like you know more than me when you don't. I study this game just like you all do and I have been right more times than I have been wrong. There is no argument. You see things as the glass half empty I see it as half full and let's move on.
I dont see how you can honestly think a player deserves top 5 consideration without producing top 5 numbers.
You said you arent a stat guy but the stats only show what a certain player is doing. Sure stats dont show intangibles but they do shed light on many other things.
Anyone can make an argument on the greatness of a particular player but if they arent producing, for whatever reason how can you put them in a top 5 against guys that are and are getting their team's wins.
*The question should be why hasnt the coach been fired for not taking advantage of his skill set.
You're just too dumb to realize that I agree with you that he has the skills to be a top 5 player.
Sayanything you dont seem to listen to good but that is okay. You are making up arguments to be right.
Everything i said is true I did not say I thought Rondo was an afterthought. Also before the Boston trade Minnesota was missing the playoffs a lot or was losing in the first round and KG as a winner was being doubted by all of the media. These are all truth statements. If i am blind I must be Stevie Wonder making hits because I am right most of the time. I will put up a post at half point next season about Curry and Sessions since I am so wrong and blind and all that lol.
@knickfreak you are too dumb to realize that he is a top 5 player without having to show you who has not watch him grow over the past few years. You don't know me to say i am dumb homie and if we were agreeing why did you not say i was wrong but look it is cool. I am done with this you are like a female trying to keep this up I told you to let's agree to disagree and you want to call names. For those that disagree unlike Knickfreak who say he agreed with me, when Sessions put up the numbers for a whole year that I already saw coming and he is mentioned in the same breath with Chris Paul , Deron Williams, and Derick Rose, will yall be man enough to say yall are wrong because if I am wrong I will put up a post saying I was wrong and I am stupid and I should never talk about basketball again. That is my word.
What an idiot. I agree that he has the talent to possibly be a top 5 someday. However I disagree that he could be considered a top 5 PG right now. End of story.
What do you think is so special about Sessions? He has potential to be a top 5 PG but personally I don't ever think he will be a top 10 PG in the league. By the way he isn't that great of a shooter. Sessions shoots 17%from 3pt hahah. Don't even try to talk about Rondo not being a good PG cuz he can't shoot.
isn't a top 15 pg in the league enough said.
Then hey we disagree. Wow. I keep saying that but you do not listen. I said we will have to agree to disagree and not make this personal. I not we are both men and have egos so let's cool it now. If you name call me then I will be on the defensive just like you are. I understand you watch ball as well but we think differently. The point of this post was answered. We all think different about basketball and who we like and that is why we have arguments some of them are about players we see differently. Some of them about players and having different systems. I will say this you have shot down my system a few time but why don't you come up with a system so i know how you think about players. It is easier to criticize when you have not put yourself in the position for others to criticize how you think.
I'm a fan of Sessions. I hope he does become a top 5 PG and goes to a good team and leads them to the playoffs.
All yall how are throwing out numbers have you seen this guy play. You can't tell me something like I don't know numbers . He doesnt shoot many 3 pointers but he can shoot and his carreer averages is a 22 percent 3 point fg goals on like 41 attempts but in college he could shoot 3 so it more about him not taking them then he can actually make them. Also he shoots 44 fg percent as well. Those are the number but dealing with Skiles substitution patterns and injuries to key players have that affect. He also did not play as many minutes as he should have because of sharing time with Luke Ridnour who will be there next year so I guess they did not want to alienate Ridnour when Sessions could possibly leave after the year was up which he may do.
Next year if he goes to the right team there is no doubt he will become that @ Gatorheels
I hope the Knicks get him. He is the best PG available, including everyone in this draft.
It is like this @gatorhill I see where you are coming from and if I was choosing at the begining of the season i would take Rondo but now at the end this season I would take Sessions. The are different players but are close to me in overall production as far as defense and offense but Sessions is a better shooter and scorer to me. To me this season is gone and next season is in effect. I doubt it is true but rumors has it that Boston is looking to trade for Rubio. I dont really understand that trade though because Rubio can't shoot that well either.
wow knicksfreak you really think so?
i would probably take a few PGs in this draft over Sessions.
It would be a smart pickup but the things is Sessions is asking for too much and the knicks can get a quality player in Curry for a lot cheaper.
No way would I take Rubio over Rondo. I know a lot of people would disagree with that though.
Yes. I think all of the PGs in the draft are role players. Rubio might be very good but I dont see him as a superstar. Maybe a few all-star games at best. Curry will end up being a bench scorer. Flynn went from being underhyped to being overhyped. Jennings is the hardest to judge. He can wind up being a superstar or a total bust. He's a little scary. Sessions has shown he can play. Plus, he kills the knicks so I dont want him going to another team.
Do you really think out of the 12 quality point guards that could possibly be drafted that only Jenning will be a nice player. Rubio is NBA ready at 18. I will say this he is overhype but the worst I can see him as if Jason Williams and Curry is smart enough and has enough vision to be an NBA point guard and he could be still growing. I doubt his dad let's him be passive or get into to much trouble so he should consistently get better and do well with a team that drafts him. Fynn can be an Aaron Brooks type. Everyone else to me has red tape. My ranking right now for them would be this
That is it for right now but the final rankings will be after i look at my film of them which i will do.
whoa whoa i was with you for a min before you said he was a top 5 nba pg( im not sure anyone will agree with you on that)..only time will tell how good he will be i do like his game always have even before he got to the nba ( his cousin travis spivey who used to be a pretty good player in his own right told me about him)
Next season will be a wild year for Sessions and he will jump up in the point guard rankings like Harris did the year after his trade to the Nets. Harris could have played that way in Dallas but they were too stupid to utilize him like the nets consistently.
its possible that he could ..its gonn abe interesting to see how his game goes if the 2 top players come back from injury next season
Sessions could be deadly in New York. I dont think he will fetch an outrageous price. I think the guys in the draft could be "nice players" but they all have limitations. Flynn-size. Curry-strength and I dont see him as a pg. Jennings- big gamble, Rubio- probably out of reach.
He may not be back there because Milwaukee does not want to play him and is said to be drafting a young point.
Knicks want to save money for next year and Sessions is a free agent now and supposely he is asking for money outside of the Bucks range and i would think right off the back they would not think that 6 million would be too much for him so he is probably asking for 9 to 10 million which is around his worth to be honest. A playmaking defensive starting point with shooging ability.
10mil a season...now hes not worth that just yet...alot of teams do dumb things liek that when someone plays good for one season 10mill a season should just be for the elite
I dont think he has proven enough to ask for that much. I'm not sure how much he could demand on the open market but was thinking MLE.
I will say GM do make stupid decisions I will say that and he has only had 96 games of work and they were up and down but I feel like in another year he will be worth the max so taking him at a long term at 9 or 10 million would be wiser. Anything lower than 8 million would be stupid to take but he may have to take a one year tender so that he can put up the numbers to support this.
now that i agree with..im still not sure he gets that too because of how much these teams are tryna save for the 2010 and to get under the salary cap..he should try to get as much as he can get now...but its gonna be very hard for him to get the bank that his agent will initially ask for
The Bucks would sign him for that much but he is asking for more I suppose and they do have Ridnour for another year so they may just draft a point and he goes else where.
15 is the best you can put Sessions, that list doesn't even include Arenas or Baron Davis.
Thanks for asking DHamp, let me revise this for you!
then maybe Sessions.
DHamp....the greatest basketball mind in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway
I see your lists but what do they mean other than you are sharing your opinion with me but not giving me a reason why these players are so much better beside numbers because if that was the case Rose should not be up that high.
These guys all have a track record of performance which to date is superior to Sessions based on stats, opinion and observation. How can you make the statement that Sessions is better than most of these guys. Your keen eye for talent isn't enough reason. We know he has potential and might be great very soon, but RIGHT NOW, how can you make the statement that he is top 5?
I appreciate Sessions' talent and potential as much as the next guy but top 5???? What about Paul, Williams, Rondo, Rose, Kidd, Nash, Billups, Parker, Harris, Nelson, Westbrook? I think Sessions can be a top 10 point guard for sure but not yet man. He needs to get consistent minutes first. Comparing him to Billups? Who is in the conference Finals every year is crazy.. You said you were a basketball guy and not a stats guy so you should appreciate the things that Billups does that does not show up on the stat sheet.
We're not just sharing our opinions. It's a fact that right now Sessions is not a top 5 talent even if you base it on potential. Because Paul, Williams, Rose, Harris, and Rondo all have at least as much potential than him and they are already good. Look how good Rondo is now and he can't even make a shot.. He has better potential than Sessions. Sessions is one of my favorite sleepers but we need to be realistic. Speaking of Potential if you wanted to go there.. Curry, Rubio, Evans.. You could argue they all have more potential because we have already seen what Sessions could do when given good minutes. I wouldn't argue that case, but it could be made.
yeah saying sessions is top 5 now is laughable. come on now. hats just a example on the opposite end of how d hamp is biased against a player he doesnt like..in this case the person is biased for a player he likes